Oh my, still on that kick, hey?

Can't every remember using term "Walking Dead" to describe the 1/9. Never did like it, not then or now. Or ever saying "First battalion, 9th Marines" -correct way would be to say "1st Battalion, 9th Regiment." If I were to say it. And it's the A Shau Valley, not the ashau valley.

Get life. And try to stay close to the thread's subject.

Taken to talking up a meth-using male prostitute patronizing preacher of national prominence. And still find time to go over all silver star commendations in Vietnam during 1969. Only seven? I think the 1/9 got more than that in '69. You are a busy boy. And one with way too much spare time.

And also a boy with a stilted sense of morality. Spewing h**e at anything Obama, saying this admitted felon preacher is really a great guy once you know him and then saying "you're lying" about something you know nothing about.

I think that's called selective morality. Or outright hypocrisy-take your choice. Hypocrisy just like your friend Pastor Ted who is now selling books about the spiritual lessons garnered from his meth-male prostitute incident. Gotta hand it to him-that's really making lemonade out of lemons.

You've got a great spiritual leader there. No wonder you're so emotionally, spiritually and otherwise twisted.

Tell me when Pastor Ted makes his vow of poverty-when hell freezes over most likely. The man sounds like he might be addicted to fame and money. Now appearing on Oprah to shill his new book on his Fall From Grace and his eventual recovery from same sex urges. Sounds like he's figured out a way to pass a camel through the eye of a needle.

What's really rich is the good pastor's "I only bought it (the meth) once. I never used it-I threw it away." Never used drugs and one day decided to get his male prostitute to get him some speed? Right. Just like Bill Clinton never inhaled.

I don't like to pass judgement on anyone who uses drugs-as long as their honest about it. And crystal meth? Even harden street junkies look down on meth heads.

You cannot serve God and mammon. Or give false witness. Or wallow in anger. Or preach one thing in the name of God and do the exact opposite on your day off. Maybe you should discuss these issues with Pastor Ted next time you see him.

Looking at who you call a nice, decent and honest guy, it comforts me to have you call me a liar and generally bad person. It shows some moral consistency.

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Having never really heard of the man, a little research on Pastor Ted reveals him to be one of the least odious of the right wing evangelists, actually sounding like someone with humanity in some of his actions and an evolving sense the perils of forcing religious dogma into the political realm.

But buying meth and consorting with a male prostitute, even though he claims to have had no sex and didn't use the meth which he claimed he had never, ever use before, sound like he's stretching the t***h a bit. Meth? What in God's name possessed this otherwise stalwart of a church leader to buy meth? Maybe he needed a pick-me-up for all his tireless work on behalf of the Lord.

No matter what, for a pastor who has gathered a large amount of followers, and large amounts of cash, by preaching against homosexuality and other worldly temptations while partaking in such earthly pleasures sure as heck makes him another h word-hypocrite.

Wish him best in his rehabilitation as a spiritual leader. I'd be more inclined to believe him if he took a vow of poverty and donated all income over what it takes for a humble lifestyle, and donate it to those with problems stemming from the use of meth.

My guess is that's not going to happen. Too many of these mega-church pastors are as addicted to the wealth as they are drugs or sex. It's not for me to judge whether this is true of this particular man, but Jesus was pretty specific on the path of following God and the path of following mammon.

I'll email him and tell him my ideas on the vow of poverty. Maybe he hasn't thought of it before. He's already on his rehabilitation tour. It surely would spark up interest by giving up the wealth his church has brought him.

First graph=""unless a six year old has been molested he or she does not look to the same sex people for sexual activity."

Where does this gem of bulls**t come from? I've know homosexuals who came from the most loving households. The bulk of science is that sexually is inborn. One bi-sexual women I know said she knew since kindergarten that she was attracted to women. As a bi-sexual she says she has the best of both worlds and laughs at those who claim it as a sickness or perversion. One of the most well adjusted people I know.

And my wife, a early childhood educational specialist who has worked up and down the East Coast, said she's never heard of anything even remotely the alleged practice of urging children in school to dress and act like the opposite sex. MOre bulls**t from Bulls**t Mountain is my guess.

Well known homosexual humorist David Sedaris says he constantly amazed at how much heterosexuals want to know or offer trance opinions about homosexuals and how homosexuals carry on their sexual identity.

It also amazes me why people are so fixated on the subject. Who cares what two (or three or more) consenting adults do in their bedrooms. What is it about the subject that causes such interests from people wo don't have some unknown attractions to it?

I'll also point to Gore Vidal who said there is not such thing as homosexuals, just homosexual sex. Gore would know.

I grit my teeth when I hear the phrase "L**T " used, as if all of these practices are griped by some special bond. As I said, my bi-sexual friend laughs at heterosexuals for the limitations of their sexual identity. Unless someone makes an unwanted pass at you, what do you care?

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Rufus posts such utter nonsense because:

1-He is a troll and wants to get attention by posting outrageous lies.

2-He is in the thrall of the rabid right believing in th flies proffered 24/7 by the rabid right blogosphere.

I have asked repeatedly how the relationship between the US federal government and it's citizens have fundamentally changed since 2009 and only gotten replies such as that of Rufus.

It has led me to believe that it is the rabid right fringe who are the level lairs trying to destroy the United States from within. And they're doing a pretty good job of it.

Oh, I get it-Obama speaks the enemy's language while Bush is as pure as the driven snow.

Another serial Obama h**er beyond the reach of reason.

Printing Obama's misquotes is one thing. Totally dismissing the misquotes of Bush as anything other than the same misquotes of Obama is blind ignorance. Obama makes misstatements Bush made more misstatements.

Neither man's misstatements say anything about their character other than the fact that people make mistakes, especially when their every word is recorded on a daily basis. . Bush just made a s**tload more of them. A man with whom I disagreed with his policies as president, but not a man whom I would denigrate due to his Spoonerisms.

You explained one-how about the other 16? Or the other 700+ Bushisms?

[quote=rhomin57]I know enough not to put my whole head in the serpents mouth
The Quran is made up of the Jewish Old Testament, the Christian New Testament, Buddhaism, Confucius, Zoroaster.
This is printed and known fact.
Shall I tell you about their 'five pillars'? (Al-Arkan)
The line of Caliph**es, Imams.
Any Iman that up and disappears for a decade or so is expected to return as their Mahdi.
One of Muhammads close associates was 'Othman', the family that began the Ottoman Islamic Turkish Empire."
That the ten heads spoken of is Revelation is the 10 sultans that assisted the rising of the Ottoman Islamic Turkish Empire.
That the Capital of Islam for many of its early years was Baghdad.
Would you like to know who their dervishes were?
Shall I go on and on and on of stuff you have no idea of what it is I'm talking about? You who accuse people of not Knowing Anything!

The Quran begins with this: la ilaha illa Allah. (There is no God but Allah)/quote]


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The Old Testament was mostly passed down through oral tradition or through early Sumerian written language. The Gospels were written many decades, if not longer, after the life of Jesus. There are plenty of cases where t***slation can be questioned.

Read the works of Philip M. Allegro, a Cambridge University linguistic scholar who helped interpret the Dead Sea Scrolls. He and others give quite different answers to your rather dogmatic and revisionist interpretations.




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Have you every laid eyes on the Jefferson Bible? The Jefferson Bible deleted all references to Jesus as Christ, keeping him as a human, perhaps a prophet but no more the son of God that you or I, or any other human. It took the Christ out of Christianity and instead changed it to a book of deist morals.

That was the point of the Jefferson Bible-to delete the divinity of Jesus as Christ as God in the flesh. It points further to the notion that the Founding Father, who used some ideas of Christianity in their works, didn't intent this nation to be a Christian nation. Your statements on the Jefferson Bible reveals an historical ignorance of its contents or a revisionist history purposely done to deflate arguments of those without knowledge of the document.

Of all the Founding Fathers, Jefferson was perhaps the most suspicious of religion and its past excesses. During Colonial times, it was rule of law to be part of the Anglican Church. Jefferson was a member to retain his rank as a part of the landed gentry, but rarely attended church. He was a man of the Enlightenment when science began to replace the static world as the center of God's universe and the use of reason rather than religious dogma to guide societies.

John Ralston Saul's "Voltaire's Bastards", written in the 1980s, posits that this "Age of Reason" has become every bit as rigid and dogmatic as the rule of The Church and the Divine Right of Monarchs it replaced. As Albert Einstein once wrote" "everything has changed but the way we think."

Did the Founding Father make statements professing their father. Undoubtedly, but looking at it from the point of law and politics, it was much like our current crop of politicians making broad claims of faith despite evidence that they might not be holier than thou.

As for your ability to "guarantee" none of the Founding fathers were alcoholics, you'd better go back to the history books. In a time when water supplies were of questionable purity, beer and wine were widely consumed. Where any of them staggering drunks? I don't know. I do know that you can't guarantee any of your claims of the Founding Fathers.

Your posts are either ignorant of the actual historical record or purposely misleading. Take your choice.

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Alicia: Don't bother, you'll get no answer. When something the cast doubt on the rabid righties, they just duo and cover, blathering on about anything but what you're asking.

But thank you for attempting to get some clarification. And Good luck at trying to get a straight answer.

Why do Obama's misstatements prove hiim a fool white the misstatements of George W. Bush prove him otherwise? I can and will go on listing the Bushisms.

Niether man is a fool. But Bush made far more stilled and plain stupid misstatements. I'm sure President Obama has made his share, but nothing to compete with Bush II.

******************Are we really surprised at Fox "News" lack of coverage of the carnage of TEa Party sympathizers in Las Vegas? Fox is nothing but the propaganda arm of the Republican Party and the far right fringe.

Look at bloggers where on this forum? Little if any response to this murderous rampage and proclamations by the murderers that the were committing this crime in sparking the "revolution" by the rabid right fringe.

All I hear is "well, Bill Ayers was a terrorist who k**led police officers." He didn't, but when has the rabid right let facts get in the way,

The most humorous post was one where a rabid right winger listed 10 misstatements of President Obama that he said proved him a full. I replied with 15 from George 'w. Bush and will continue with more soon. Hypocrisy knowns no bounds with these rabid righties.

A very short list of statements by Gorge W.Bush during his years as president, known far and wide as "Bushisms":

1-"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between mother and child."

2-"Mars is essential in the same orbit. Mars is someone the same distance from the sun which is very important. We have pictures where there are canal,we believe, and water. If there is water, than means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."

3-"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."

4-"natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."

5-"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only the life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet."

6-The Holocaust was an obscene period of our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."


7-"Mr. Vice President, (in a debate with Al Gore) in all due respect, I'm not sure if 80 percent of people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president."

8-"Quotas are bad for America. It's not the way America is all about."

9-I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements in the future."

10-"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."

"11-We have a firm commitment to Nat, we are part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are part of Europe."

12-"For NASA, space is still a high priority."

13-"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

14-"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

15-"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history."

16-""We're all capable of mistakes but i do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made."

17-"I stand by all the misstatements I've made."

I could go on but life is too short. As I said, Bush wasn't stupid. But he sure said some funny and stupid things.

Strange you printout the misstatements of Obama to show what a fool he is. If that's the basis of being a fool, then George W. Bush is the biggest fool of all. There are three calendars with a misquote a day from Bush.Bush might have had a problem with getting his words out, but he wast stupid.

I could list hundreds of misquotes from Bush like the one "we have enemies that are out to destroy American. And so are we." or "is our children getting a good education?" and so on and so on.

Imagine having a microphone in front of you hours and hours a day and critics listen for the smallest mistake. I wonder how you would be portrayed after a week of such scrutiny. I know I'd be in trouble.

As far as how many have been murdered in the name of Allah, tell me who many Native Americans were k**led by Christians pushing for "Manifest Destiny" that was allegedly God's plan for white folk occupying what is now the United States? It wasn't al that long ago. The US government still has a perfect record of breaking every treaty we made with the native Americans.

In the last decades, NA in New York wanted back the millions of acres of the central part of that state that were leased from them 99 years ago. Although the lease agreement was iron clad, the courts found a way to screw the Native Americans once more. Not 100 years ago, but a few short years ago.

And it wasn't some fringe group of Christians, like the Mormons, who committed genocide of the native Americans. It was the policy of the US government supported by a vast majority of our Christian citizenry. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Wars in Libya, Yemen and Uganda? We were part of a NATO coalition that unseated the government of a Mommar Qadaffi (sp?) We're conducting drone strikes (wrongly, in my opinion) oin Yemen. Uganda? Do we have troops in Uganda?

And yes we're going back to Iraq, possibly, because of the fact that the previous nation fore it asunder. In 2003, we invaded Iraq as a "pre-emptive war" the nation's first, based on lies and half-t***hs, Because George W. Bush had no plans for what to do once SH was o*******wn, we left an entire 400,000 man army sit on its hands with no jobs, no income and nothing to do but slide into an i**********n against the American invaders.

Welost more than 4,500 troops and God knows how many private contractors (more than the four that we lost i n Libya with estimate running from 500 to 1,500-nobody ever counted.)

Iraq has been in shambles ever since. George W. Bush signed the terms of the US withdraw (you might remember it-they Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at him) and Obama was blasted for abiding by the terms of that agreement. Bush and Obama had no choice but to get out of Iraq because the Iraqi government wanted the right to try US troops in civil Iraqi courts. No president would agree to that. It is also the basis for our disengagement from Afghanistan.

Sure I know the stock market is based on not much of any solid economics or even remotely attached to reality. But it is a bellwether of confidence in the US economy. People around the world are investing in our stock market because economies in other countries don't illicit the same about of confidence.

And, besides, when Ronald Wilson 'deficits don't matter" Reagan was president, the right crowed night and day about how the stock market turned around. If the stock market was bulls**t back then, it's bulls**t today.

Then there's unemployment, down to near pre-2008 crash rates, although both parties have adopted policies during the past 40 years at the insure that thousands if not millions of previous well -paying blue collar jobs will not be comping back to the US because of "free trade' agreements that have been pushed by every president, Democrat and Republican, since 1970.

Trouble is "free trade" basically tears down all trade barriers with nations that have no regulation to stop horrible pollution, stifle their workers' rights to organize and pay those workers starvation wages. In theory, it was supposed to allow the US to do the "service sector jobs" like counting and investing the money from the multi-nationals the most benefit from "free trade" agreements. Except "free trade" eliminated more jobs than it created. And it seems like both parties will only be happy when the American worker is on the same level as a peasant in Bangladesh.

The federal stimulus is a bubble caused by companies buying their own stocks? companies have been buying their own stocks for decades, usually after achieving some sort of success that allows them to get more control of each company's stock holdings after selling stock to get the capital to achieve that success. Basic Econ 101. The stock market has been operating on the "bigger fool" theory since at least 1985. Millions of ordinary Middle CLass citizens won and lost trillions either through individual investment or through pension systems due to the alchemy of Wall Street. And the boom and bust nature of the business cycle is still alive and well despite Ronald Wilson "deficits don't matter" Reagan's claiming that the bust part of the business cycle has been vanquished.

Wish it were all that easy, that the Democrats and Obama are responsible for all our troubles. It's not.

I know, I know-Obama's a t*****rous Muslim loving capitalist hating i***t who is responsible for everything bad, and in the case of the stock market, something that is outwardly good. And his wife is a man.

Problem is the facts don't stand up to those views. There has been no fundamental change in the relationship between the federal government and it's citizens since 2009 as the serial Obama h**ers claim. The only thing i see is that this president is reticent to get US troops engaged in foreign conflicts, something I see as good. He may actually use US airpower to help the Iraqi government but it's very doubtful that any troops will go back to fighting in that s**thole that was created by George W.Bush o*******wing SH in 2003 and having no plans on what to do when that happened. The "Mission Accomplished" photo op was a little premature-by nine years.

But the rabid right, including Fox "News" and the fringe right blogosphere has created an atmosphere where lies and half-t***hs are passed of as fact. Martial law is at hand. FEMA is constructing death camps to eliminate political opposition. There are at least 10 web sites that claim Michelle Obama is a man. No wonder those two nuts in Las Vegas did what they did. If I believed a fraction of what the right fringe blogs say, I might go postal.

But, as I said, it's not. Not that simple nor as cut and dried. We live in an oligarchy where the Kochs and Soros of the world rule through the best political system money can buy. It's not the Democrats or the Republicans. And the TEa Party isn't a grass-roots movement to shed us of this oligarchy. It's just a tool of one side to put the fear of God (re: losing their seat in the gravy train of Congress) establishment Republicans a little more to the right's mantra of cutting taxes on the wealthiest and eliminating all regulations on pollution. In other words, the Tea Party is just another tool to put the majority of Americans on the level playing field with peasants from Bangladesh.

Who said they were members of the Tea Party? The murders themselves identified themselves with Cliven Bundy and the Tea Party, stating the "revolution has started."

But nobody can control who claims or actually belongs to any one political organization. A couple of losers stated they were part of the "New Black Panthers" while stating outside a polling place in Philadelphia a few years ago and the rabid right is still blathering about these two clowns as if they were part of a strategy by the old Black Panthers to prevent white folk from v****g.

the recent atrocity in Las Vegas does lie at the hands of the TEa Party and the Rabid Right. Tell an unstable person that the government is headed by a Muslim worshipping, terrorist loving president who is about to impose martial law, tell this person that FEMA is setting up death camps and placing stickers on mail boxes to identify people for elimination in one of these camps, tell them enough of the wild lies that are offered up each night on Fox "News" and hundreds of rabid right wing blogs and then stand back and say "hey, we had nothing to do with it."

Strangely enough, the rabid right is still ripping Obama for having a "relationship" with bill Ayers , a man never charged with a crime but who had a history of once, 40 years ago, of promoting violent political action with a l*****t bent. Obama did have a a rather tangental professional and political relationship with Ayers but never, to my knowledge, professed his admiration for what Ayers did 40 years ago.

Yet when extreme violence is committed by someone espousing rabid right crimes, it's "it's not my fault." the right wets it pants in excitement when a bunch of armed people (allegedly including the two of these murderous thugs) show up with military-style rifles to protect a welfare-mooching rancher who has for more than a decade refused to pay a paltry fee to allow his cattle to graze on government lands. And then the right gets all exciting after this rancher said he would resist with violence if they feds tried to collect. Even with these facts known, the right claimed storm trooper tactics when armed government officers showed up at this gathering of who claimed they would put women and children out front so that they would be the first to get gunned down.

and we have people showing up in restaurants with assault weapons just to prove they have the right to do so.

Cliven Bundy's supporters, like these two murderous thugs in Las Vegas, had all the trappings of the Tea Party radicals. A right-wing fringe belief that government is about to deprive of of our rights, that the current president is in secret alliance with Muslim extremists and a long record of using the "Don't Tread on Me" f**g as a symbol for the Tea Party movement.

As the old saying goes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's likely to be a duck.





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