It seems I must correct myself before being called an outright liar. I just this morning learned that Congress and their staffers may not be exempt from the ACA. I have not validated the information, but am amending this thread to put forth the possibility I may have been wrong.

I do have to ask myself why they are asking for exemption.

Ok, I can buy this.

Finally!! Progress.

And I have previously and numerous times admitted such. Why has it taken you so long?

That is a matter of perception, but will leave it at that.

And here is where things break down. You want to blame another because you believed what they said without validating it and it is their fault. Liberal deflection at its best.

I will assume that U was supposed to be an I. Do not apologize for your beliefs, but do not expect someone else to believe in them because you say they should. That has been my whole problem with you from the beginning. You think that all should believe as you. As has been stated before your opinion and beliefs are no more or less important than the opinions and beliefs of others. You seem to believe that someone not believing as you is less than you and therefore deserving of denigration. And that is what I have been harping on you about from the beginning. Yes, I have used your own tactics against you. Does that make me better than you? I think not. I took myself to your level to fight you at your level.

Over the last couple of weeks, Congress has been in a budget battle. According to many polls taken in this Country, depending on which source you really believe, a large majority of American people want the Affordable Care Act(ACA), also known as Obamacare, to be repealed. A humorous side note is that when you call it ACA fewer people want it repealed than when it is called Obamacare.

In the last couple of budget v**es in the House, the v**e, of course along party lines, was:
1) Defund ACA
2) Delay the individual mandate
3) Make Congress and their staffers not exempt from ACA
(those are the ones I recall and to me are the most important)
Of course, no one believed that the first one would even get consideration, but in the end it did and was v**ed down easily by the Democrat majority Senate.

Then the House Republicans said, "Ok, if you still will not get rid of it, then let us delay the individual mandate for one year like most of the rest of the ACA has been delayed." Of course, no changes to ACA are allowed by the Republicans, so the Democrat Majority Senate rejected that budget.

Then the House Republicans got even more creative, they said, "Ok, if you want this thing, then you should have to abide by it just like the people you have forced it upon." Well, last night's v**e along party lines proves, at least to me, and should prove to even the most hard-nosed Democrat v**er, that the Democrats believe themselves to be above the laws they enact.

Another side note, the United States Government, the employer of the members of Congress and their staffers, have their insurance opportunities provided by their employer through private insurance companies. According to ACA, if your employer provides private insurance you are not required to go to the HealthCare Exchanges to obtain your insurance. As the Federal Employees Unions would never allow a renegotiation of their contracts to allow the Federal Government to not provide private insurance opportunities, those members of Congress and their staffers would never be subjected to the requirements and mandates of ACA. By passing the budget as amended, no one in Congress would really be effected and the Federal Government would not be "shut down". But I believe the fear of the Federal Government dropping their private insurance opportunities prevented them from faking out the American people. So I have to ask, "Why did they reject the second budget proposal?"

There have been many debates on this forum, and I am sure on others regarding this topic. I have been and always will remain a believer that the members of Congress and their staffers are OUR employees, not we their subjects, and should be forced to abide by the laws they enact. Last night was just more proof, in my mind, of the disconnect between many of our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES and ourselves.

Do the members of the Senate who v**ed against the budget believe themselves above the people?
Do the members of the Senate who v**ed against the budget believe themselves above the laws they write and enact?
Do the members of the Senate who v**ed against the budget because it touches upon and possibly damages the credibility of legislation they have been trying to put through for decades?
Do the members of the Senate who v**ed against the budget reject the bill out of spite? To tell the Republicans in the House that, regardless the will of the people or the Congress(wo)men, they are so much more important?

When is the madness going to end? When will the American people finally stand up for their Constitutional Rights and tell these ELECTED Representatives they are our servants. The calling was to be a public servant in an elected capacity, but they seem to believe that we need to be their servant and can be treated as less than they.

Before anyone calls me a sycophant for the Republican party and Conservative ideals, while it was not mentioned directly, they are as much at fault for this crap as the Democrats.

The House Republicans have had at least a year to come up with, and pass, a budget. They have procrastinated. They caused the delays that have led to the current situation.

Why is it that the budget battle, which should be the first item of business in any new Congress, is the last item of business? The budget for the next year should be ironed out before any other of the bullcrap that Congress puts first in its agenda. But, no, regardless who controls the House, they do not want to do their jobs the way they should be done until it is the last minute because they want to politicize the budget fight, unless one party or another controls both sides of the Legislature.

All I want you to do is admit you have been wrong and have been proven wrong time and again when you have called out others for wrong doing but engage in the same activities you accuse others of engaging in.

This has never been about politics, for the most part; this has been about your mistreatment of myself and others because of political differences. Both sides have continued to engage in it to everyone's detriment. BUT THAT IS THE POINT. Every little thing you call out others whose opinions differ from your own can be said about your political ideology and those you purport to support. That is the concept that it seems, to me, that you are unwilling or incapable of grasping.

NO SIDE IS INNOCENT.

Why do you insist, after I have repeatedly iterated, that I believe my ideology is "right" and yours is "wrong".

In a society of cannibals, cannibalism is "right". Outside the society of cannibals, cannibalism is "wrong". It is all a matter of perspective.

Respect the views of others, and show that you can be in dispute and also respect their viewpoints, and you will earn respect from those who value that aspect of humanity. Disrespect others and all will scorn you. It took me a while to learn that concept. I thought if I did not disrespect people, they should automatically respect me. I found out that the only way to earn respect was not only by not being disrespectful, but by showing respect. They are not the same thing at all.

I do not "win" until you admit you can be wrong and have been wrong. Being wrong does not necessarily make you a bad person. It actually goes to show yourself to be a normal human with normal human frailties. It shows you are honest with yourself and others.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorant

Are you really stupid? Or just ignorant? Stupidity cannot be fixed. Ignorance can be. Your ball.

As you are and as you can as well.


Do not tell me to stop trying to push mine onto you when you will not stop trying to push yours onto me. Once again, same coin different sides. You cannot prove that your worldview is more valid than mine, just as I cannot prove my worldview, to you, is more valid than yours. As I see it, I have not tried to do so, but have been trying, using some extraordinary patience and ability, to prove that you to you are not always correct.

Afraid you might learn something about yourself? Is that why you keep trying to run away and yet continue to allow yourself to be drawn back?

You have used this closing line so often it is beginning to sound like a mantra.

You will not believe anything even when the evidence is put before you unless it falls in line with your current beliefs. Believe what you will, I can do nothing to prove to you that I have a graduate degree that you will buy as factual. I have even spent some time trying to figure out how to show you the t***h about that fact and everything I think of I can find ways to say it is invalid. So as I cannot prove it to your satisfaction, I cannot do so. I can only expend so much effort in convincing you. You want me to believe every word you say as valid and insightful but refuse to give me the same courtesy and have the gall to call me out. Again, call yourself a Southern Conservative Democrat all you like. You are nothing more than a representative of a typical unintelligent Liberal who buys nothing until it agrees with the Liberal agenda.

Ever thought to ask these questions of yourself. I have readily admitted that I do not have all the answers, something which you will never allow yourself to do. I know for a fact that I do not have all the answers. By asking this question, it is quite obvious you do not read and comprehend what is posted before you barge out a reply. I am no MORE important, nor am I LESS important than anyone else. But, when I feel someone is wrong, and can prove them to be wrong, especially when I can use their own words, posts, and sources against them, I feel I have every right to do so. You are the one incapable of admitting that someone else can be right and you are wrong. Unfortunately, you seem very incapable of seeing the fact for what it is, A FACT.

I have also never said anyone HAS to subscribe to my ideologies, unlike you, who continue to berate those with differing opinions that are just as valid and supported with sources as yours.

As for the believing part, when someone shows you evidence for their viewpoint that you cannot invalidate, why should you not believe it?

I stress again, I am no MORE important nor LESS important than anyone else. I am more than willing to listen to REASONED debate, but when someone resorts to disparaging remarks, they are no longer worth listening to, but it is fun to annoy them by being persistent in that they are wrong-headed.

Who have I stopped from making any comment? Who am I disenfranchising? Why do you really think this is a valid question? When it comes to i***tic things that come to your mind this one really takes the cake.

Because it seems to me to be that you will not believe anything at all, even your own name, for any reason other than that it sounds good. Maybe I like to see my words posted on the internet for all to see. If I am so unimportant to you, why do you insist on continuing this admittedly absurd quasi-dialog. Maybe it is not be you should be questioning, but you should be asking these questions of yourself.

I wish.

And you do not? Look in the mirror.

Again, I must iterate and re-iterate things because you are exceedingly too stupid to comprehend. I hope at some point this will sink in. I HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED TIME AND AGAIN I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING. You on the other hand have an answer for everything even when you are clueless as to the topic.

I have. I do. I reflect on my actions daily. When I believe I have screwed up, I look to see where I may have done so. I look to see what I can do to correct those errors. When I believe I deserve kudos for my actions, I look to see why I feel that way and why someone else should give me kudos. I am the master of hindsight in my world. Can you say the same?

Grow up.

Actually, I am trying to figure out why he is such much for ACA. If he is really 68 years old like he claims, he would not be subject to it anyway because he will be eligible for Medicare, Medicaid and other elderly entitlements.

How about the other side of that? What if it does not work? Are the Republicans, Boehner and the Tea Party going to be allowed to say I told you so if the Democrats get their way?

Not if the Liberal ideology has its way. But you never look to both sides of the issue, only pushing the side you know little about but sounds the best to you. Like I keep pushing with Lou, another i***t on these forums, if ACA is so great why do so many people have exemptions, why do so many people not want any part of it, even the ones who are supposed to be managing it? If it is law it should apply to everyone equally with no exemptions for anyone. I am tired of laws being implemented by our Congress and President that exempt some special interest group or another. You want to know what elitism exists, there you go. Elitists believe that what others should be subjected to should not apply to them. It does not take money and wealth to have an elitist attitude, but it helps.

You could not give as good as you get if given all the answers.

Then why is it a tactic that you undertake without remorse or responsibility then call into question those that do the same do you.

Nice justification for bad behavior. As I readily admit that I am doing it because you do it, I cannot complain, but I am willing to admit I am doing it and willing to admit it is wrong. I am doing it more to annoy. You are doing it because you are a bully in your anonymity.

Well, then, I am glad I do not come from there. It is obvious to me that where you were born they grow children who do not grow up and are incapable of understanding that differences can be met without spite towards the opponent. They also do not have the "thick-skin" you purport your grandmother talking about.

Neither do I for that matter, not all of it. I also do not like the Democrat ideology, not all of it.

So you think the world is run by dumb people. As an after thought, given what we have in Congress and the White House right now, that is true. But I really think you do not like "smart people" because you are jealous of them.

So I have a better understanding and comprehension of the same English language you have access to and I am not speaking plain English? I use words you do not understand and I am not worth wasting time on? You want to accuse me of being "stoopiid" because you do not understand what I write? How so very like a Liberal? I suppose it is my fault that you are not capable of picking up a dictionary, or searching for one online and finding out the meanings of the words used. I have to do it all the time and I have a college graduate degree. I find it is better to confirm what I believe the definition of a word is before I use it than to assume I know what it means and then use it improperly.

I am a waste of time because I try to educate you? I believe you have it backward. I believe you are a waste of time, and space, but even given that, I try to give you an education. You refuse to learn. Trying to lay blame for what you perceive as wrongful actions in no way justifies your actions to date. Why do you continue to deny your culpability in all of this? Why is it that I use my education to point out your inadequacies and I am sub par. Your lack of education is what makes you sub par. Your lack of ability is what makes you sub par. You insatiable desire to always be right even when you are shown to be wrong is what make you sub par. You inability to look at things from all sides before judging makes you sub par. Call me what you will, I can still prove I am better than you when it comes to debate. You can not prove that you even understand the written word even when it is in plain English.

HUH?

Liberal justification. You cannot handle criticism, directly at you personally or implied by your perception and you acted like a child and try to justify like a child. So like the Liberal mindset. "He started it!!!!"

I do not recall ever speaking in the King's English, just American English with American English colloquialisms and words easily found in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Noah Webster was born on what would become American soil before the American Revolution, 1758, but that makes him no less an American. Charles Merriam was born in Iowa in 1874, thus making him an American. Since all the words I use can be found in the books they created, I would say I speak American English. Simple as that. It is not my fault you do not understand.

And it is also a t*****rous act for the President and Congress and the Supreme Court to act outside the law as put forth in the Constitution, but I do not see you calling for any of them to be arrested as t*****rs.

As for returning in kind, you are right, I have no expectation of being treated with respect by you when I do not treat you with respect. You do not deserve respect as I see it, as you do not think I deserve respect. But then again, I go back to my original statement, I do unto others as they have done unto me. You started with directly insulting me, so I came to the conclusion that you deserve no less.

You are incapable, or unwilling, I believe the former, of having a rational dialog. You want to through in your emotional diatribes as proof of your correctness. You post outdated sources or Liberal sources as your sole proofs and want to be considered learned. You get no respect from me or anyone else because you have shown to one and all you deserve none. Your attitude has to change before anyone else can change their attitudes and evaluations of you.

Do not come in here preaching and demanding respect unless you are willing to give it. And do not even try to say I do not give respect to those who disagree with me, there is plenty of proof in my writings, if only you were capable and willing to do proper research.

Has anyone disputed the existence of the Mustang Ranch? Has anyone even remotely called into question the legality of the Mustang Ranch operating? Again, it is just like you to see things that do not exist. Move on, i***t.

Do not call out those who call you out if you do not want to be called out. Do not call other names if you do not want to be called names. Do not denigrate others if you do not want to be denigrated. It is easy to disagree and try to put other people down. And I do unto others as they have done unto me.

The name calling from you on this forum began with you because someone disagreed with your statement. Disagreement does nothing put show there other opinions out there than yours. You are the one who started acting juvenile and blame the statement of others as the premise. If you really took your grandmother's words to heart, you would not have started it. Your hide cannot be that tough because you cannot handle it when others disagree with you. Did anyone who you accuse of being mean to Liberals or Progressives say anything that directly was said toward you? You seem to forget that you also do nothing but denigrate, most times without proof, your opposition. If you want to be treated like a grown up, ACT LIKE ONE.

Until such time, you are still nothing but an insignificant little boy with the thin skin you accuse others of having who goes crying to mama when things get hard. If you want to be considered the bigger man, try to act like a man first.

Will you read who posted what, you i***t? I did not post about the Chicken Ranch.

I made a simple statement about you not being able to get laid in a whorehouse with $100000 available to the girl. I know the MR exists. When I was stationed at Mare Island, near S.F., when I was in the Navy, a bunch of us took a weekend trip to Reno. While there we decided to see the ranch. We did not utilize the services, but we saw that it existed. And also, neither of the two of us talking about the Chicken Ranch mentioned any association with the Mustang Ranch. Just like a Liberal you are seeing things that are not really there.

I never claimed not to be a bigot. I have my prejudices against certain stereotypes of people, I even have prejudices against individuals like yourself. To try to admit otherwise would be a very large lie. Unlike you, I do not like lying, even when it will keep my out of trouble. Unlike the time I lied here to prove a point, that had a purpose and was admitted to later.

You are the one who thinks that everyone, except you is a bigot. All people are somewhat bigoted. I only go to show that the pot is quite literally calling the kettle black in this case.

Read your own posts and see what you say. In each and everyone that is not supposed to be anything but insulting, you show yourself to believe you are more intelligent than most, that you have all the answers and that you are able to speak on any topic at any time, i.e. you claim to have a wealth of knowledge. All of what I just said has been taken from your own words. You do not come right and say it, but you do say it by implication. So trying to cleverly hide it is obviously a serious failing on your part.

And that statement is similar to ones made in the past that support my above statement. I too have a wealth of knowledge, but I know as well that I do not know everything. Even when I propose a solution to a problem as I see it, I know, and clearly state that there are flaws. You do not, as do others of your ilk. When you make a statement wishing to be disproved and you are disproved, you deny that the proof exists, even when the proof is in your own words. I can and will readily admit that I can be wrong and have been proven here to be wrong on several occasions. Where is your ability to do the same? Do not think yourself superior to me in even the smallest category until you can admit you lie and are a denier!

So because the members of the Tea Party who have more balls than you to do what you should be doing you are against them 100%. That to me is the epitome of apathy.

As this is not even close to being relevant to the conversation, while I did bring it up, I will no longer comment on it.

As you seem to think that the personal attacks are one way, I would like to point out to you that you did, from the get go on this forum begin being insulting. It was pointed out to you several times and you continue to deny it. You did not start with me and you will not end with me, but you have no right to claim victim status because you continually set yourself up for personal attacks.

You call me a post-menopausal woman and you want to claim to righteous and upright? Boy, a therapist would make millions from your delusions alone with the books s/he could write about your psyche.