3jack wrote:
The Supreme Court declared the penalty for not having insurance to be a tax.....nothing more. Premiums were rising every year before the ACA, so they are no higher than they would have been without the ACA. Obstetric is not required of anyone unless they need it and it is not mandated. Educate yourself and stop listening/watching right wing BS media. You're no different than the lying administration in power today who keep dishing out the crap that the ACA is a disaster and is failing.....it's not and the people who have it love it. Why do you think congressmen/women are facing hostile crowds when they have town hall meetings? It's for damn sure the protestors are not complaining about keeping the ACA in place. They're complaining because the morons want to take it away. Get a grip.
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you say so, therefore it must be true. no research required
Tug484 wrote:
Look at everything they take over. They always screw it up, make it more expensive, slower, and when it doesn't work they throw more money at it. When that doesn't work over and over, they create another department to oversee that one.
It seems insane.
yep, that's the democrats for ya. And to be fair, most politicians in general.😉
[quote=3jack]It's obvious you have no idea what the ACA really is or what it does. Insurance companies set the prices for insurance premiums and the ACA specifies what services are to be rendered for those premiums. As far as tax payers are concerned, low income people don't earn enough to pay taxes and they make up the majority on Medicaid, which is for the poor and elderly. You have been listening to too much right wing bull s**t media outlets because your post parrots the same stupid talking points I constantly hear from those outlets.[/quote
interesting comment from someone who has no idea what the ACA is. For instance, that the ACA was found to be a TAX by the supreme court, which is the only reason we're stuck with it. And that premiums are significantly higher for those that pay for it, due to things like obstetric care coverage being required (even if you're an over 50 female. As far as the :"poor people" on medicaid that you reference, there is a large population in this country, in case you were unaware, called the working poor, who DON'T get medicaid. What they do get is premium reduction/forgiveness under the ACA. Please educate yourself on these and other facets of this TAX before commenting further on this costful, unmitigated disaster called the ACA.
3jack wrote:
Seven years of constant denigration against the ACA and they can't write a complete sentence in support of the repeal and replacement of the ACA. Shows the intellect of right wing legislators. I use the word "intellect" very loosely as there is none within that group of morons.
my point was just repeal, no replace. ACA is nothing but a cover to get working (and many times struggling) taxpayers to overpay for insurance coverages they don't need to fund people who AREN'T taxpayers.
the waker wrote:
Too true, the Democrats single handedly got us into this mess by not doing they're job and reading the damn bill in the first place.
Now it is going to cost us (or our children I should say) another 70 billion, on top of the original 100 billion just to keep the exchanges from collapsing.
Perhaps the problem with the right not getting a bill passed is because they're ACTUALLY reading what is put forth, and aren't dumb enough to pass it, before they know what's in it.
Full REPEAL...
At this point, the constant bleeding has to stop.
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Here here!! Repeal that piece of &&%^&%$ legislation, if anything write some legislation for insurance companies re coverages and get it out of the public (government) weal.
saltwind 78 wrote:
kankune, What qualifies him. Does he write books and or papers on the law? Did he head an important political position? Was he a top general? Don't you think we have had one too many entertainers in politics?
I think the fact that he DIDN'T do any of those things makes him qualified. Maybe he'll just use common sense to SEE the problems, LISTEN to his constituents and REPRESENT them, as is the duty of elected officials. I think that the reason we have such an elitist mess in Washington is that we have so many "qualifed" people there that the common tax payer is held in contempt, and our "qualified" politicians think they know better what to legislate that will affect our lives, though they're so far removed from the average person's daily life it's comical.
CDM wrote:
Magilla here ...
It is important to understand that the very act of disagreeing with these people is an insult. To come at them aggressively is tantamount to assault with a deadly weapon. What we see here on some small scale is essentially the collectivist mindset we are fighting in the big picture to preserve constitutional America. There are indeed no 'packs' of conservatives to be seen. There are individuals ... important distinction ... individuals who think for themselves. And importantly, if one takes the time to notice, these individuals do not necessarily agree with one another along any lines. They are however capable when it comes to establishing a point of argument, on topic, and defending it ... as individuals.
Every day is a bad day for the Morgans of the world ... because we exist. Collectivists are emotionally unstable, vulnerable and therefore feel 'attacked' when challenged. When aggressive argument and debate contrary to L*****t Ideology is outlawed; when the Fairness Doctrine can choke the life out of individual expression on the airwaves; when the 1st amendment is weaponized against open expression, only then will the L*****t be placated; but happy? Never.
As for the topic at hand, it's loaded with fodder for good argument. But it seems it was posted not to induce exchange so much as to provide a point of focus for L*****t president bashing. Not unusual.
Hope you stay in the fray, wh**ever your point of view.
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Food for thought. Especially the "every day is a bad day" statement. Sad.
Morgan wrote:
The ONLY attempts you've witnessed is from the left, that in itself is not believable. As school yard bullies should we take account the numbers on here and percentages of insulting posts, especially taking in the consideration that the right out numbers the left on here by almost 10 to 1. You folks work in packs and the left usually one against the entire group.
To the person defending Morgan from the guy she called "magilla". I'm newer to OPP, and forgot to hit the "quote reply" button, so she curtly told me to do so. Then she responded to another comment I had made with the above. If you look back at the few posts I have made, I don't insult or name call, but try to stay on topic and engage in civilized discourse and debate. I am certainly not part of any "pack", as I don't regularly converse with or know anyone here. I started looking at this chat because I thought it would be interesting. Maybe she's having a bad day? Oh and p.s. to be fair to the "pack" comment, I'm almost certain there are no busloads of conservatives being brought in to participate in this chat🙄🙄
debeda wrote:
Very true statement! And let's not forget the media rhapsodizing about everything he did/said/didn't do/thought about doing/talked about doing.....yeah.
"he" being Obama. Sorry wasn't clear.
Ricktloml wrote:
For 8 long years your so-called free press,(which had the highest amount of political associations of ANY administration), defended, excused, misinformed, refused to inform, covered for and outright lied to protect Obama and his "fundamental t***sformation" of this country. Since Hillary lost and Trump was elected they have used unfounded allegations, innuendo, and outright lies to smear Trump, and attempt to destroy him. They have been trying to overturn the e******n and undermine our system of governance, still in the attempt to protect Obama and his radical, l*****t agenda, which is s******n and treason. The collaborative media ARE the enemy of the American people and have been for a long time
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Very true statement! And let's not forget the media rhapsodizing about everything he did/said/didn't do/thought about doing/talked about doing.....yeah.
Nickolai wrote:
Yes what butt kicking's ? Conservatives have never kicked any body's ass they have no facts or accomplishments to point to such as child labor laws, food and drug safety, work safety laws, 8 hr work day, Social Security. nothing, nada, zilch
do you truly believe all that was democrats? I'll bet you believe that the earned income credit that was designed to help the working poor came from the Clinton administration, don't you....
Eugene Debs wrote:
MSNBC rarely does any reporting without a Conservative voice. But you may call that voice a RHINO and disqualify. The polls that predicted Hillary would win fell well within their margin of error. Either without Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, Trump loses in a landslide. And he lost the popular v**e still by almost 3 million. And was in the lower fifth of e*******l v**es. He was like one of those mathematics anomalies.
what do you mean by "the lower fifth" of e*******l v**es? It's been quite a while since the e******n but I thought that he had well over 300. What people don't seem to understand is that the 2016 e******n was more a rejection of the Obama administration's pie in the sky fiscal policies and bizarre social policies than anything else. What resonated to v**ers was that Trump was willing to name the problems and promise to get the train back on the rails. I am so sad that this e******n illustrated how far apart people are ideologically. I look at liberals and think "After all that has happened and is happening what's wrong with you?" and liberals look at the conservatives much the same. Thus the controversy around the MSM, where most got their news for years. People would read something about a topic or event they had personal knowledge about and think "wait, that's not what happened at all." And this has changed from being isolated incidents to being a regular diet of biased nonsense from MSM. When I took journalism many years ago the cardinal rule was to be factual, regardless of your own opinion. Now you actually see newscasters rolling their eyes, making faces and laughing at or otherwise dismissing anything that they don't agree with. And I personally lay that at the feet of lack of personal integrity. If you're in a job where you need to sometimes investigate and report on things that don't fit your own comfort zone you'd think that would be an opportunity for personal growth, not an opportunity to try to pound what you discover into a known and comfortable box.
we're talking about the media, not this chat room..right? if you can give me examples of abc, cbs, msnbc, CNN et al fairly representing conservative points of view I'd be quite surprised. One of the things folks on the media often state is "everyone thinks, everyone does, everyone feels" which is hilarious and insulting, For instance when president Trump was elected the media was declaring "everyone thought Hillary would win"; "everyone thinks this is a disaster" etcetera ad nauseam. And none of them stopped to think how disrespectful and ridiculous their statements were to the millions that v**ed for Trump. And the saddest thing is that they JUST WON'T STOP. Donald J. T***p w*n the presidency. If you look at the red/blue v****g map by county you will see that the democrats only carried counties containing the ant farms. I wish that the ant farm media would get over themselves and begin to report news instead of "Russia Russia Russia, trump is bad no one likes him, natter natter, natter." Hopefully this clarifies my previous comments for you.
I agree. The only attempts that I have witnessed of anyone trying to repress free speech and expression have come from the left. And as a sidenote they are more and more devolving into school yard bullies in this endeavor.