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Don't tell Pastor Ted that you can't "pray away the gay." And it's recently become easier in Texas to get 'treatment' for homosexual tendencies than it is to get treatment for actual medical or mental problems, the enlightened state it is.

I've been urging dutchie to come out of the closet for months now to no avail. Maybe the new gay guy can.

Check out Key and Peele on youtube, their sketch about the pre-fight interview. Rich and right to this point.

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Still won't engage in debate on the validity of my posts unit lI "tell the t***h." You've passed over drunkard and drug addict to perseverate on this liar thing as a way to avoid any type of dialogue on the focus of ANY thread? Points to a lack of validity to your point of view.

As I said on another thread, it's all there. You just have to look. I've posted my father's name, where I grew up, directions to my house (to dutchie, actually) when I served, with whom I served, what unit I served in, dates, etc. (to others actually, where you apparently became obsessed with it.)

You, on the other hand, have spun an incredible story of success with very little detail. I haven't asked because I really didn't care. I usually take people at their word. But this hypocrisy with Pastor Ted leads me to think you've been committing hypocrisy elsewhere. So open up and give at least as much as I've given, hey?

You're story so far:.

A foot solder who when to medical school, built a "successful practice" only to give it all up to go back in the military to be trained as a fix-wing and rotary winged aircraft pilot. And you "served all my time on the front lines"

Not impossible, but highly improbable.

First, any branch of the military rarely, if ever, accepts pilot candidates after 32 years of age. You were able to serve a hitch in some branch of the military as a "foot solider" , go to med school, internship, possible residency and the build a practice before age 32?

Again, not impossible, but improbable. Highly improbable.

Second, the military needs doctors more than they need pilot candidates. Training a doctor to be a pilot? I guess not impossible. Flight surgeon much more likely.

Third, what branch did you serve in? You talked a good deal about being a foot soldier but the talk of serving at Gitmo, usually pointing to marines or the navy. Not many marines describe themselves as "foot soldiers." Where did you serve on "the front lines" and when? With what units of wh**ever branch of the service you were in?

Then there's this bit about "serving all my time at the front lines." Haven't used front lines in the military lingo since Korea. There were really few "front lines" in Vietnam, except the DMZ. Even that wasn't called the front line-it was called the DMZ. And the asymmetrical warfare since is noted by it's absence of front lines. That's military history of US involvement since 1945, if you want to argue with it.

And no member of the military, even a draftee like me, serves all of his hitch on the front lines. Where did you spent 2-3 years getting your training in two very different types of aviation programs? And Gitmo is not the front lines.

Anyway,keep digging. Even a blind pig finds a truffle-every once in a while. It apparently keeps you busy a man of such great accomplishment. How many hours a day on this forum?

And how about answering some questions yourself? Your personal history, as you've written it, is an amazing success story. Just share a little more of it with us.

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Well we finally have a openly homosexual man on the forum.

Tell me Ron, what do you think of dutchie's rampant homophobia, this claiming to be a real man, bashing "q***rs" and f*ggots' even throwing them overboard of a Navy ship (a possibly fatal act for the victim even in harbor) during his service in the navy?

It's all there. the big "I'm a man, not a pervert" rhetoric, the bragging about violence against homosexuals and all the talk about what a Harley-riding "manly man" he is. And don't miss the avatar on his posts-what's that all about?

Does that sound like a deeply closeted homosexual to you? Someone so twisted by years of self-denial that he lashes out at what most attracts him?

Maybe you should find somebody out in Colorado who can go and help dutchie out of the closet. He really needs to get in touch with his deepest same-sex attractions, so hidden under layer after layer of h********c bluster.

Or Vehole could just get him in touch with Pastor Ted. Maybe Pastor Ted could point ducthie to some some aversion therapy to help him over his same sex attractions. Sounds like Pastor Ted had the same "problem."

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I missed you too, dutchie.

I've been very honest. I've given the years I served, that I was a draftee, the united I served with and where I served in combat, quite specifically.

I've even given dutchie directions to my house. Hometown, the name of my father, everything. You? Not so much.

So keep looking-even a blind pig finds a truffle every once in a while.

Meantime, maybe you can answer some questions about the t***hfulness of your spectacular life, military and otherwise.

You were a foot solider, served "all my time at the front lines" yet also was in Gitmo, a decidedly non-front line posting (and the military really hasn't used the term "front line since Korea-watching too many episodes of Combat.) Gitmo points to marines, but marines don't call themselves "soldiers" very much. Way too Army.

But that was back 45 years ago when Gitmo was a posting for misfits and screw-ups who were deemed unfit for combat or sea duty. Maybe Gitmo has a significant Army presence, but it ain't the front lines.

And after attending medical school (where?) and building a "successful practice" (where?) you went back into the military to be trained as a rotary wind and fixed wing aircraft pilot.

Except most branches of the service don't take pilot candidates over the age of 32. And the military has and still needs doctors more than pilot candidates. They trained a physician to be a pilot? Not impossible, just improbable.

So what branch of the service did you serve in? Where did you serve and when? Where and during what two-three year period did you take your fixed wing and rotary wing training? And where? Where did you spent "all my time on the front lines"????


It's like dutchie claiming to have been rejected from the marines for poor eyesight,so he went and joined the Navy. strange since both marines and the Navy use Navy doctors and the same eyesight standards.

As I said, I've been clear and upfront. You've been telling what appears to be tall tales. Just like dutchie.

Iran was a secular democracy until another Republican president, Ike Eisenhower, o*******w that government.

McCain's bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" surely would have won over the hearts and minds of the Iranians.

But I know what you want to talk about.

and dutchie is back! The crowd's all here! welcome back.


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wow, this is rich. vehole calling somebody out for "insults and raging bs" and opining on "we have quite a bit of evidence of your rage and desire to cause conflict."

Are you looking in a mirror or what?

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wow, this is rich. vehole calling somebody out for "insults and raging bs" and opining on "we have quite a bit of evidence of your rage and desire to cause conflict."

Are you looking in a mirror or what?

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I was insulted at being left out. But I see you're still perseverating on my short military career, unlike your stellar career. (weren't you a pilot? "spent all my time on the front lines"?????)

I can''t understand how someone with such a life of extraordinary accomplishment, foot solider, doctor who built a "successful practice" only to re-enter the military to be trained as a fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft pilot, would spend so much time calling people names in the Internet, what 6,8,10 hours or more a day.

My guess is a angry, embittered man with no life.

And now the defense of your good friend Pastor Ted, a "decent man" who snorted meth and screwed (or was screwed) by a male prostitute, now on Oprah shilling his book on on his fall from grace and return to righteousness.

No wonder you're in attack mode all the time, what with a moral mentor like Pastor Ted.

"Never let your opponent be considered human much less correct (right). Attack, attack, attack." Mien Kampf.

PS: I almost forgot an not-so-oldie and not so goodie: the Reagan and HW Bush administrations playing both sides against each other in the Iraq-Iran War, giving SH satellite intel that allowed him to gas unknown numbers of Iranians and tens of thousands of his own citizens, mostly Kurds. Body count-unkown but at a very minimum of 40,000 Kurds, who have very good memories.

Reagan was a decent man? And Ike is admired although he allowed the Dulles boys, as head of State and the CIA, to do murderous mischief around the world?

Let's look at the body count.

The Dulles boys o*******w the secular, democratically elected government of Iran and install the Shah in his place, leading to more than 25 years of murderous rule by the Shah. Parents weren't tortured physically, they were just forced to watch as their children's arms were amputated without anesthesia while CIA officials looked on. Thousands more were just outright murdered in the name of keeping the Shah driving Ferraris, eating the finest caviar and stashing billions away in Switzerland.

The Dulles boys also o*******w the democratically elected government of Guatemala where the military dictatorship installed by the Dulles boys when on a 30-year murderous rampage financed and armed by United Fruit (now Dole) and the US, until Jimmy Carter cut of all aid because of the genocide the military was committing against Guatemalan Indians, body count conservatively estimated at 300,000.

And lets not forget the CIA/MIF/Belgium security forces kidnapping and murder of Patrice Lumumba, the front runner in the Democratic Republic of the Congo's e******n and installation of Mubutu Seke who ruled for the next 35 years until run out of the country after k*****g and estimated 1.5 million.

All that in just two years early on in Eisenhower's first term. To his credit, Eisenhower did sit on the Dulles Boys after 1956-57. John died late in Eisenhower's second term, Allen remained at the company until 1960.

Ronald Wilson "deficits don't matter" Reagan started by selling arms to Iran in contravention of US and International Laws, using the money gained from those sales to finance the cocaine cowboys named the Contras, who Reagan aliened to our own founding Fathers, except for the cocaine smuggling and k*****g an estimated 50,000 Nicaraguan civilians.

The CIA also mined one of Nicaragua's harbor- again breaking US and International laws, k*****g four West German sailors who were, like every other nation except the US, still carrying on trade with the democratically elected government of Nicaragua, the first after the o*******w of former US-backed dictator Anistasio Somoza (As FDR said: he's Sob, butte's our SOB.")

Or back to Guatemala where Reagan re-armed the military dictatorship, k*****g an estimate 100,000 (a conservative figure-most buried in mass graves and never identified-hey they were just Indian peasants, right?) of the total body count of 300,000, (again, low-balled figure as no records exist-just the claims of widows and orphans. although women and children were also k**led en mass. )

And now the Republicans and their running mate, Fox "News", are trying to blame the effects of the US pullout-signed in a Status of Forces Agreement by George W. Bush to end the first 'pre-emptive' war in US history that he started five years earlier. What was Obama thinking when he followed the terms of the agreement signed by Bush?

Everybody knew the nation was going to decent into sectarian forces after the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein was o*******wn in 2003? And usb only signed the SOF agreement because the new iraqi government, installed by the Bush administration, wanted to try US troops in Iraqi courts on civil or criminal charges filed only by the Iraqi government.

That little fact will be in force should any US pilots get shot down and captured by any side in that conflict (except possibly the Kurds who government themselves in an autonomous region in northern Iraq rather well under the no-fly son George HW Bush had put in place after the first Iraqi War.)

Kennedy had a body count-his failure to back the last little military misadventure by Allen Dulles in the Bay of Pigs and his o*******w of the Diem government in South Vietnam.

And LBJ and Nixon k**led millions of Vietnamese and tens of thousands of US troops in a war that was a lethal circus from Day One. Hey, it was a s**tty little war, but as one US Army officer said: "it's the only one we've got." Saw that one up close and personal. Few below the rank of captain saw what a circus it was within 30 days of arrival and held that opinion unit DEROS, death or m********n.

I figure we've finally have a president who is reticent in committing ground troops unless all other options have been discounted. And yet he's still trying to create mischief buy k*****g people by remote control. Just another member of the Bush Crime Family.

And yet we have Republicans in congress, and a few democrats, who are yammering that "we have to do SOMETHING" to undo the cluster**k we started 11 years ago. and yammering about 'what are the Saudi's thinking", yes the same Saudi's who were early contributors to coffers of the ISIS insurgents in Iraq? Or "what is Israel going to do" the same israel that refused to take our advice but is quick to take the $3 billion-plus in aid we give it each year?

When we gonna learn that the United States can't police the world? Britain, France and Germany are a whole lot closer to Iraq than we are, and the first two are complicit in drawing the borders of Iraq. Let them handle it. Or, better yet, let Israel and the House of Saud handle it. The first is the best friend money can buy and the second is the worst friend that we've been allied with since Ibin Saud set up is little feudal kingdom way back when.

Insanity is dong the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We've been pushing countries around since the early 1950s (and before) and expecting different outcomes. We're consistently surprised when murderous dictatorships and general mayhem arise from our last foreign military misadventure.

Not one more drop of American blood, even if blood isn't thicker than oil.


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What the f**k do you mean "anti-Christian"? Who the hell are you to judge anybody's faith with your defense of the meth-snorting, prostitute hiring Pastor Ted?

Not judging him, just stating what he has all but admitted as the t***h. No one is going out on a limb to identify as a hypocrite a nationally (internationally?) known pastor who preaching the morals of the right-wing fringe yet gets caught buying meth and the favors of a male prostitute.

We all do hypocritical things at one time or another but Pastor Ted is in, if not the the Super Bowl of Hypocrisy then at least the division play-offs.

And you're still on that kick that no wounded marines made it out of the A Shau, hey? Only dead marines.

And yes I forgot your all knowing military knowledge, a foot soldier turned successful physician turned military fixed-wing and helicopter pilot. WTF are you doing spending 6-to10 hours a day babbling on this forum? Get out and get a life.

1-Just questioning why someone was using President Obama's misquotes to label him stupid when the right's savior, George W. Bush, did the same thing many times over. I'm sure both men laugh and drink at their misquotes. And are both decent men.

2-As far as native Americans go, who are we to label an entire religion as evil when our own, or the stated religion of most Americans, has committed crimes equal or greater. And that's not ten treading on the founding Father's practice of owning another human being.

3-"Even President Reagan made errors"???? No joke-he holds the record for having more members of his administration indicted and convicted than all presidents before and since. For dealing arms with a terrorist state (Iran) so as to arm another terrorist organization waging war against a nation with which the US was not at war (Nicaragua). All in violation of US law.

4-"Obama is not the cherry on top" Who ever said he was or is? But the insinuation that he is somehow embracing the "aggressors?" George W. Bush at the Taliban AND Osama bin Laden at his ranch in Texas before becoming president. And after 9-11-2001 let the entire bin Laden family leave the Us without being questioned on a special flight that broke a total ban on aircraft use in the wake of 9-11-2001. Whom was or is embracing who?

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This is rich: "not the habit of a disciplined mind, nor (sic) philosophy."

With your stout defense of Pastor Ted, who are you to judge?