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Jul 30, 2014 20:56:41   #
Patty wrote:
I just started a book called "The Big Reset" by Midderlkoop who is from the Netherlands. So far he as his history down really well but hasn't addressed the big question.
This is how I see it though.
The IMF is broke and just forced a deal with Ukraine in units to be used by member countries instead of an outright loan for austerity measures.
The plan originally was to use SDR (Special drawing rights) to be created out of a basket of currencies through the World bank/ BIS.
That is being challenged through the announcement 2 weeks ago of the roll out of the BRICS World Bank. This bank wasn't suppose to be ready for several years but at the conference in Brazil thaey agreed to open it in Singapore and start making emerging market country financing.
One by one over the last several months I have seen the global community signing up for currency swaps and gold/food deals going on between the BRICS and other countries.
The only way that the US will maintain the ability to reset a new reserve currency is if they steal other countries gold reserve held below the fed res. in NY.
(if it is still there)
Fiat currencies have been tried 200 times and have failed 200 times. I don't know why Nixon thought that the US would be any different. It defies math.
Countries are starting to wake up to which is their better choice.
I just started a book called "The Big Reset&q... (show quote)


Thanks Patty! Most likely most of the gold is gone! Why else would they force Germany to wait 7 years? So far they have only given back 5 tons! If they had it there you would think that they would allow an audit to clear up any doubt! Most noted economists don't think it's there either. Some have come out and said that when the world finds out there is no gold, that it will be game over for the U.S. and the dollar! This is probably why they won't allow an audit! It probably doesn't matter much. It will be game over for the dollar within a few years or less anyway!
Let me know how the book is! It sounds interesting!
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Jul 30, 2014 15:17:32   #
Patty wrote:
Russian, Indian Central Banks Could Use National Currencies in Payments


MOSCOW, July 30 (RIA Novosti) – The Bank of Russia and the Reserve Bank of India have agreed to set up a working group to devise tools to use national currencies in bilateral payments, the Russian regulator said Wednesday.

The group, that may involve representatives of banks and also ministries and agencies of both countries, will be controlled by the central banks of Russia and India.

The decision was announced at the meeting of a group overseeing banking and financial issues at the Russian-Indian commission on trade and economic, scientific, technical and cultural cooperation.

The Russian Finance Ministry is currently working on t***sferring to ruble payments for certain types of exports against the backdrop of Western sanctions against Russia over its position on Ukraine.

In early June, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said the central banks of Russia and China could agree to currency swaps for export payments in their respective national currencies. While many of Russia’s partners already use the ruble to trade with Russia, most export contracts are still settled in dollars.

Kremlin Chief of Staff Sergei Ivanov said in early July that the idea of Russia and China t***sferring to payments in both rubles and yuan is realistic but cannot be done in a single step.
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By the end of this decade the dollar will have breathed it's last breath as the world's reserve currency. It takes time to put these plans into effect, but they have already begun! Most folks on here that see what is coming new that it would take a few years to come to fruition. The problem we may have short term could be a currency reset! I have heard more and more about this lately! What are your thoughts? Do you think it is possible to have a reset before the dollar crashes?
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Jul 30, 2014 06:56:33   #
MarvinSussman wrote:
Lout, not louse. Lice are small.

How does the money supply increase when the Fed buys a bond? The bond owner had a bond and sells it for the equivalent. The money supply does not change. You can say that until you are blue in the face but the private sector has the same amount of money when the Fed buys a bond on the open market.

The money supply increase you see is due to loans made by commercial banks.


I'll answer all of your post here! Where did the government get the money to bail out the banks? No bonds were bought! You first say there is no increase in the money supply yet you say an increase in the money supply is good during a recession! That's not misquoting you! Why do government charts continue to show an ever increasing money supply?
The dollar is in trouble! That there is no doubt. We can't continue as we are! Both parties are to blame for our problems that is for sure! If everything is so great with the dollar as you state, why are so many countries settling their trade without the dollar? Why have the BRICS set up their own world bank? China and Russia both out to take down the dollar. The IMF has stated the need for another currency or batch of currencies or even SDR's for a new world currency due to the weakness of the dollar.
We had a currency crisis in the 70's. The dollar almost went down then! Then countries used the dollar still because of there fear of the U.S.S.R. Reagan, the one you h**e so much, along with Volker changed monetary policies for a strong dollar approach. We need that now to possibly save the dollar! You have your theories, I nave mine. Neither will convince the other! Good luck to you in the future!
Two more thoughts! Not misquoting you but you just stated that the fed creates money out of thin air! Which is it? Do they or don't they create money? You said first they didn't create money, now you say they do! What about the money supply? First you said there is no increase on the money supply, now you say there is! Which is it? I am not at all misquoting you. This is what you just said!
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Jul 30, 2014 00:17:53   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Read a book called the 'Web of Debt' by Ellen Hodges Brown
That'll bring you up to speed

Banksters are to blame for all of it...
Controlled by the 8FED


Thanks I'll do that! You should send this to Marvin too! He seems to think that we don't have a debt or dollar problem! He says the fed doesn't create money out of thin air! If not where do they get the money to purchase the treasury bonds?
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Jul 30, 2014 00:07:15   #
MarvinSussman wrote:
The Fed does not print money, you ignorant lout.

When a US bond is won in a Treasury auction, two accounts are affected: money moves from a private checking account to a government bond account that is equivalent to any perfectly liquid, interest-bearing savings account. There is no change in the money supply.

When the Fed buys a US bond from a private party on the open market, two accounts are affected: money moves from a government bond account that is equivalent to any perfectly liquid, interest-bearing savings account to a private checking account. There is no change in the money supply.

When the Fed buys a massive amount of US bonds, there is still no change in the money supply but the investors who sold their bonds to the Fed for cash are not satisfied with 0% interest on dollars. They look for the safest yield they can find and buy futures in commodities, raising prices. Or thy buy shares, hoping for an eventual profit. That is simply speculation.

There is no real change in the money supply but there is more “liquidity”: cash looking for yield. Some wholesale prices may rise, but the retail market prices still depend upon consumer demand and producer supply, where foreign trade may have greater influence than speculation.

Inflation has always existed and must exist to prevent deflation, an awful catastrophe. Who would spend a dollar today if it would buy more tomorrow? The economy would freeze solid. In an agricultural society, the inflation was generally low and stable but we always had crises.

The myth that the Fed is causing inflation by increasing the money supply is simply a lie meant to corrupt political dialogue.

The fact is that the Fed has been trying for more than five years to boost annual inflation to 2% and is now worried that we are headed for deflation. Japan has been trying that for 20 years without success.

The last time I looked into a department store full of merchandise into the aisles, there were few employees and fewer customers.

If next Christmas isn't better than the last, it could be the tipping point.

You are barking up the wrong tree.
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When the fed creates money out of thin air that is printing money. Yes they move it between accounts but the money supply increases when they buy bonds. Look at all of the charts depicting money supply. They have been rising for years now. Stop looking at you silly books and live in the real world.
Look at all of the money supply charts and you see how much the money supply has risen in the past few years! Go ahead and look them up. You believe every thing the government tells you! Why not the money supply charts posted by the government. As for inflation your very misled if you think that inflation is only 2%. Why don't they use the real economic indicators as they did prior to 1980? Why isn't food and fuel measured. They used to. They don't use items used everyday by people because it will show inflation is much higher than they report! They lie to you and you except it!
As for calling me a ignorant louse, grow up!
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Jul 29, 2014 23:51:43   #
MarvinSussman wrote:
Bridges are falling into the river while 25 million Americans are looking for full-time jobs while drawing benefits almost equal to a good salary when you include trips to the ER.

And Congress insists on letting America fall behind China who is building 24/7 without inflation. Why can't we do that?

The Fed can't fix bridges. Only Congress can spend on bridges.

Banksters will lend to any creditworthy borrower but hardly any such people want to borrow because there isn't enough consumer demand because Congress won't spend because deficit, liberty, Muslims, IRS, B******i, gay marriage, a******n, open carry, Sharia law, school prayer, evolution. fast and furious, and small goverrnent.
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We have already printed and borrowed and spent trillions upon trillions of dollars! How much more should we print? How much more can we print before hyperinflation hits? Inflation numbers from the fed and government are a farce! So is unemployment and every other economic indicator number they report! Answer my question please! Why hasn't any of the trillions upon trillions of dollars already printed and borrowed not been used for infrastructure? Why do you even think that any more money printed will be used for what it is supposed to be used for? Again remember Obama's chuckling at the stimulus! Why did he laugh when he said I guess they weren't so shovel ready after all? How much more of his arrogance are we supposed to tolerate? How many more i******s is he going to let come here with diseases? How many more i******s will be allowed in to further crash our economy? How much more money will be printed and given to the banksters and political friends instead of going to create infrastructure jobs? I will say to you that any more money printed or borrowed will go to the banks and friends and not to the main street economy where it is badly needed! Obama and the rest of these clowns in government are nothing but criminals. They don't care about the American people! Not at all. So ask yourself, how much money would actually go to create infrastructure jobs? I will again tell you none!
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Jul 29, 2014 23:18:16   #
jimahrens wrote:
Let me put something to you. Lets say you lived in a house. Everyday people walked across your lawn. The reason for this was just on the other side was free food,housing and medical. Finally one day you secured your property with a fence. It cut down by 80% of people crossing your property. The ones you caught you sent back over the Fence. What did this accomplish? You did not pay to feed house or give medical care saved an untold amount sending them back by bus plane etc. people will say you don't care about children. Well this country has been feeding the word forever. Time for other Countries to take charge of there problems. My point cheaper to build fence than to pay the rest of the Tab. I know this sounds simple and it is. will cut down on crime less people in our prisons the list is endless.
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Exactly!!!
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Jul 29, 2014 22:37:26   #
harleyusa wrote:
You know what they say you can only whip a dog so long until it turns onyou and bites you well they whipped this long enough it is about turn and bite


So true!!!
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Jul 29, 2014 22:33:28   #
harleyusa wrote:
How about taking the 3.7billion obummer wants to use for i******s. Could fix alot of roads so they could be bussed out of country


Nice thought! I'll go along with that!
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Jul 29, 2014 22:31:21   #
CDM wrote:
Excellent thoughts. And how about we take the $75 billion/month going to the 'street' via the banks and see how many roads and bridges and airports that will fix; I mean, since we're just printing it anyway for s**ts and giggles.


Good idea! It makes too much sense for Washington! They want to continue their party of screwing the American people over!
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Jul 29, 2014 21:52:32   #
MarvinSussman wrote:
Who is going to fix the 50,000 bridges and 50,000 dams that need fixing? People who are now working? Back to grammar school.

And of course the federal spending pays for material. It can't be more difficult than financing World War II, which ended with 35 years of further prosperity despite being financed by printed money.

There was no hitch in WW II, either.


There is a flaw in your reasoning! After WWII, Europe and other parts of the world were in shambles. Most governments that fought in the war were broke and heavily indebted to yes, the U.S. The U.S. was sitting in the best position in the world. The U.S. had nearly all of the gold and everyone owed considerable amounts of money to the U.S. The dollar was the strongest currency in the world and was being used by every country in the world. For this reason it was made the world's reserve currency. Our manufacturing was the best and strongest in the world. Countries bought most everything made in the world from the U.S. We had a tremendous trade surplus! The U.S. became the most prosperous economy the world had ever seen!
What do we have now? Most of the manufacturing has left the country. We do still have the auto companies but the majority of their sales are to U.S. customers. We have a terrible trade deficit and have gone from the largest lender in the world to the largest debt ridden country in history! We have a $17.6 trillion known deficit. The dollar has lost 95% of it's value since the federal reserve inception in 1913! The fed has printed Trillions upon trillions of dollars to support the world's economies! I believe about $16 trillion was printed and given to European banks in a currency exchange to help shore up their banks. Trillions of dollars are missing and no one wants to claim responsibility! The BRICS have already started their own bank that rivals the IMF. Countries are moving away from dollar t***sactions at an alarming rate!
I could go on but that enough is cause for extreme caution when dealing with the dollar. We have nothing today that will prevent a dollar collapse. It is imminent and everyone should prepare the best that they can.
As for building these bridges and roads, Why wasn't any of this done with all of the stimulus and QE money printing and our borrowing from other countries? We could have used all of those trillions to do this. Remember what Obama said at an economic meeting with GE CEO Jeff Immelt? Laughingly he stated that these weren't shovel ready jobs after all! How arrogant can a person be? All of this money has been printed and given to political buddies and the banksters. How much of this actually got out to the main street economy?
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Jul 29, 2014 21:14:28   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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We all need to start attacking and putting pressure on the FED
CongressClownWorld
and the Treasury Dept then...

H.R. 24 is very important yet again...

Audit and END the FED !

Audit/ END the FED !

Period
Game OVER people !

Time to save America and the DOLLAR !

Wake UP !


This would be the most intelligent thing our government has ever done! Unfortunately intelligence is not a requirement for the presidency or congress! Graft, greed, lying, c***ting, criminality, and corruption are all fine attributes and qualifications for any elected official! Not having a conscience helps too!
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Jul 29, 2014 19:36:26   #
archie bunker wrote:
This is one of the funniest ads I have seen in a long time!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6etfJgZQ7A&feature=youtube_gdata_player


This is funny yet true! If he were running in my state or district he would definitely get my v**e!
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Jul 29, 2014 18:48:08   #
MarvinSussman wrote:
BS! The federal government cannot possibly run out of money.

In our past, Congress’ failure to regulate the banks caused harmful inflation. For stability, the government fixed the dollar’s value at a certain price of gold and promised to redeem dollars at that price with gold from its store. The gold standard worked fairly well except for one serious problem.


Due to frequent budget deficits, the public’s money supply grew faster than the government’s gold supply. To prevent depletion of the gold supply as wealthy savers redeemed gold with their excess paper currency, the Treasury auctioned enough interest-bearing treasuries to recapture the annual budget deficit from the savers. The debt interest expense became part of the annual federal budget.

But there was another problem. Due to frequent annual trade deficits, foreign exporters with excess US dollars redeemed enough gold to threaten the US gold supply. Eventually, Nixon had to end the gold standard. Since 1973, Congress spends fiat currency but has misunderstood the limit to its spending.

With no need to protect a gold supply, there is no need to recapture the deficit with US Treasury auctions. The Treasury could simply auction enough treasuries to serve our economy’s need for risk-free interest-bearing instruments. As the only source of private sector savings, federal spending should never be limited by Treasury revenue. Such minimal auctioning would end the “unsustainable debt” s**m crafted by Wall Street to privatize Social Security and gain a fortune in broker commissions.

That which we call a “federal budget deficit” is nothing more than the annual savings retained by the private sector when Congress spends more than it taxes. Until we are threatened by harmful inflation, Congress’ spending is needed for infrastructure. And private savings are essential for prosperity. Absent such inflation, deficits are beneficial.

To explain fiat currency, a counter-factual Pilgrim history, one that could have happened and would have produced a society richer than the real one, is described here:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On landing at Plymouth Rock, the governor printed fiat money to pay for the goods and services to be supplied by colonists during the year. The colonists valued the money and worked hard for it because, to avoid serious punishment, they would have to pay taxes at the end of the year.

For each year’s budget, the governor estimated the man-hours available during the year and multiplied that number by an hourly wage to arrive at the annual budget. During the year, he hired everyone available to build wells, roads, buildings, and other infrastructure. If he underestimated the available man-hours during the year, he simply printed more money.

To avoid inflation and eventual hyper-inflation, the governor estimated, imposed, and collected a household tax that repossessed most of his spending at the end of the year. The governor’s spending not repossessed by taxes became the colonists’ savings. Budget deficits = private sector saving which are essential for an economy. Without annual deficits, the colony would have become a bartering economy without a medium of exchange!
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This counter-factual history explains why fiat money allows Congress to fully employ our resources. Like the fictional colony, Congress NEVER EVER asks the Treasury if it has enough money. Congress spends as it wishes and taxes most of it back to avoid inflation. But, by not understanding its spending limits, Congress creates unemployment instead of infrastructure.

Almost all US v**ers wrongly believe that federal taxes pay for federal spending. This myth vanishes in every war and serious crisis, corrupts political dialogue, and promotes austere budgets. V**ers hold this false belief only because they do not understand that, as an issuer of fiat currency, Congress is not bound by the “balance the budget” logic of a household or a business. Regardless of tax revenue, Congress can always hire resources left idle by private industry. The two fiscal mandates for Congress are exactly the two monetary mandates that Congress demands from the Fed: Avoid unemployment’’ and ‘’Avoid harmful inflation!”

Ideally, to maximize the nation’s wealth by avoiding wasted opportunity, Congress must balance two financial goals: (1) spend almost enough to cause harmful inflation; (2) tax only enough to avoid harmful inflation. Congress’ fiscal target is the onset of harmful inflation. (The Fed cannot reach its 2% target.)

Until we are threatened by harmful inflation, Congress is obliged by our Constitution’s preamble “to …promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…” When private industry does not fully employ the nation’s resources, it is the duty of Congress to use the nation’s idle resources to build infrastructure.

An intelligent, rational, informed citizen would v**e to remove the deficit hawks from Congress and replace them with representatives who understand that harmful inflation is the ONLY reason not to build infrastructure and increase private sector savings. Will you? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The above essay is based on works by: (books cost about $10)
Frank N. Newman, former Deputy Secretary of the US Treasury, author of: “Freedom from National Debt” (Two Harbors Press);
Francis X. Cavanaugh, US Treasury economist for over 30 years, author of: “The T***h about the National Debt: Five Myths and One Reality” (Harvard Business School Press);
Warren Mosler, economist, author of: “Seven Deadly Frauds of Economic Policy’’ (Oxford U. Press)
Dr. Stephanie Kelton, Chair of the UMKC Economics Department, at NewEconomicPerspectives.org.
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©2014 Marvin Sussman All Rights Reserved. Permission granted only to copy entirely.
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News Flash! The federal reserve has already printed too much money! The inflation rate is much higher than these ridiculous government reports state. So is unemployment! Of course the government will never run out of money! The federal reserve will just print until the dollar is dead! Why do you think countries are making currency deals to by pass the dollar? Why have the BRICS countries created their own central bank to rival IMF? Try living in the real world with real economies! Not in you book world where reality doesn't exist!
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Jul 29, 2014 18:19:08   #
tdsrnest wrote:
Jflori actually the Muslims made major contribution to the following a lot of them developed in Mat, Algebra, Science, Chemistry, Physics, Zoology, paper mills, psychology, Medicines, fertilizers, paper mills, grafting of plants, treatment of smallpox, alcohol as an antiseptic
Built the 1st observatory, described the minor circulation of blood major contribution to geography and history. They have made major contribution to Technology. Actual you GD r****t fool they are very bright people you have just allowed Fox News to portray all Muslims as extremist when actually they are very smart people that you call Muslims. Probably a hell of lot smarter than you
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Yes there are a lot of very intelligent Muslims that have made contributions to the world! Why don't these intelligent people speak out against the jihadists? I have yet to see any serious discussion on their part about the terrible atrocities their people are doing around the world! Look at the middle east! They are k*****g the Christians and Jews! Why, because they are r****t and h**e any other religion than theirs! You speak of r****m towards Muslims! There may be r****m but those that speak out against the k*****g are not all r****t and they do not k**l Muslims themselves! This r****m nonsense by liberals needs to stop! It is old and the vast majority of it is not true! Grow up and try to argue your positions with all facts! You did great until you blasted out your r****t charge!
When will these intelligent Muslims come forth and condemn the horrible behavior of their fellow murdering jihadist Muslim family and friends? This includes the president of the U.S.?
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