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Oct 24, 2022 08:39:04   #
Peaver Bogart wrote:
Geesus Crisco! I can see nothing gets through your thick head!


Feeling is mutual.
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Oct 23, 2022 19:30:12   #
RandyBrian wrote:

Can't ask for more than that, my friend.


Ok....I give you that I probably overstated some things in making my point: specifically, you are correct that the US does not have a 'serf' class the size that I implied when comparing the US to the c*******t nations and banana republics. You are also correct that the poor in the US are not as poor, absolutely, as most of the poor in other nations. I was too zealous in making my case.

We do have the right to v**e and form associations. Point taken.

I do, however, worry that the economic trends, if they continue, do not bode well for our future. And I don't see our national political conversation in a position to deal with those trends.

Of course, these are issues one can write books about, so it's hard to put it into a format where most folks stop reading after 1 or 2 paragraphs. So, like I said, I do appreciate that you took the time to read and think about what I wrote.
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Oct 23, 2022 07:00:07   #
Peaver Bogart wrote:
I reckon I'll have to splain it to you. Let's say we have a town of a population of 2,000 with 1,000 hard core dems and 1,000 hard core reps. They all v**e for either a dem and rep candidate. When they tally the v**e, there are 1,000 v**es for the repub candidate, but 2,000 v**es for the dem candidate. So who is c***ting?


You ignored the fact that 30% of NC v**ers are registered as unaffiliated. When they v**e there will be more v**es for both parties without any c***ting by either party.
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Oct 22, 2022 10:18:55   #
RandyBrian wrote:
What you say is logical, reasonable, and makes a lot of sense. Except for one thing.
All that you see and are postulating is based on the premise that America has a small ruling class and a massive borderline serf class with no power, and that is simply not true.
There are the rich and the uber-rich, that is true. There is also a 'poor' class comprised mostly of people with severe disadvantages such as no education or sk**ls or some level of disabilities. And yet America has the 'richest' poor class in the world. Virtually every family has a roof, food, a large TV, internet, vehicles, and most every person over ten has a smart phone. There is more ample help available through government and charitable agencies. I KNOW, because my family is involved in both. There are exceptions, but they are mostly made up of the mentally ill and self inflicted personal issues, such as drug and alcohol abuse.
But both of these 'classes' are in the minority. The vast majority of Americans are like you and me, and live in the middle class. Sure, it would be nice to have more, but we have the necessities and quite a lot of luxuries. We live in nice homes with AC, usually with multiple vehicles, we get paid OT for anything over 40 hours a week, we have computers and smart phones and video games and access to ridiculous amounts of entertainment.
But the most important point is that EVERY single one of us has POWER! The power to v**e, to ban together with others of like mind and demand changes and improvements and to use our massed power of the v**e to FORCE those changes.....if we can convince enough others to join in our cause.
THAT POWER is what is being threatened by the attempted socializing of America's agencies, the Democratic push to minimize capitalism, t***sform into a permanent nanny government, and most especially the leftest dominated education system and main stream media, which firmly believes the end justifies the means. It doesn't. Not in a free Republic.
My friend, we have so much in common, but please PLEASE re-evaluate what you are seeing in America. I spent almost 30 years as a member of a union, part of the AFL-CIO, including being an official and an elected representative in one of Texas larger locals. Thirty years of seeing them spoon feeding nonsense "information" to our members. Nothing but lies and distortions, year after year and decade after decade, I saw it from the mid-70s until after I retired, and beyond. All to boost their political influence with the Democrats. Because they are the same as the politicians you despise and fear. They believe the end justifies the means, and do not see how it corrupts the mind and soul.
We are both seeing the same evidence, and drawing entirely different conclusions. Please take a mental step back and do some objective evaluation, as I did in 1994 when I confronted my local's President about the political lying coming from our Union's office and from Washington DC. He admitted it, with the rationalization that the ends (defeating Republicans and conservatives) really DID justify the means, no matter how dishonest and despicable.
He had BECOME exactly what he routinely accused his political enemies of being. Something I have come to see as very common in the leftwing leadership.
What you say is logical, reasonable, and makes a l... (show quote)


Thank you for a reasoned response....I do appreciate interacting with you. I will try to find some time to respond, but can't do so now. And just so you know....I do try to take stock every once in a while to see if my understanding still fits the evidence.
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Oct 22, 2022 07:48:51   #
RandyBrian wrote:
Not a crock at all. Socialism is not evil. But Marxism has invariably led to socialism, which has invariably led to c*******m, which IS evil. Historically, this has been true every single time, unless capitalism was kept strongly in the mix. What is evil is the REASONS and GOALS the left have for pushing socialistic programs......control over the citizenry. A desire to have the power to control the populace. You know, what the left accuses Trump, incorrectly, of wanting to do.
Capitalism is better, the BEST of systems so far tried, not because it is inherently 'good', but because it works and creates the maximum amount of wealth for an individual willing to try. And anyone can do it. All they have to do is work hard, act smart, and they can profit from their own labor.
People like you and Milosia and Moldyoldie keep harping about the 'rich and powerful'. But authoritarian regimes all have a small extremely wealthy leader class, and a huge lower class of virtual serfs. Little or no middle class.
I started out with nothing. I paid attention in school, worked my way through college, got a decent job, and retired in the mid-middle class. Using nothing but my wits and my labor. The middle class in America is a direct result of our individual freedom to achieve, and our capitalistic system of rewards for labor. Community and state and federal cooperative programs are necessary for a few purposes due to funding and efficiency. But that is not the same as socialism.
You guys would destroy what we have by replacing it with socialistic programs based on 'equity' and 'fairness'.....both of which the elite leadership of the government would designate for us. We would wind up as an authoritarian banana republic.
No, thank you.
Not a crock at all. Socialism is not evil. But M... (show quote)


At this point I really don't see a difference between the distribution of wealth when comparing the outcome of c*******m and capitalism. I do agree that capitalism creates more wealth than c*******m, which is why I'm not a c*******t. However, if that wealth isn't distributed fairly, then what's the difference to the serfs in either system?
Like you, I started out with nothing and have built a comfortable life for my family and self through hard work so I'm not complaining nor envious. (I was also able to work my way through college without debt, but that is no longer possible unless one takes 8-10 yrs. to do so). But just because 'I got mine, jack' doesn't blind me to the other crabs still struggling to get out of the pot.

No, my fear is that the maldistribution of wealth in our country and it's continuance will lead to social unrest. My fear is that we are in an era that closely resembles the 1880s, and after, when the labor wars broke out. We have a huge chunk of our population that is 1 paycheck away from crisis, even if they have worked hard and followed the rules diligently. There is also a large chunk of our population that has given up because they don't see the rewards for following the rules and working diligently.

There is nothing wrong with 'fairness' as a concept and the working class know that what we have now has nothing to do with fairness. Consider that most banana republics and the c*******t system you don't want also have the same wealth distribution profile that we currently enjoy. To the majority of people, whether they work for tin horn dictators, the party bosses, or their capitalist owner makes very little difference. At some point they will rebel and whether the state that suppresses that r*******n is capitalist, c*******t, or some other dictatorship will look the same to them.

Our own political system, IMHO, is starting to closely resemble the imperial courts of the European aristocracy. That should give every American cause to pause..... there may come a time when the gated communities and mansions will resemble the deteriorating castles scattered throughout Europe and the rest of the world. The Democrats and Republicans look like the warring clans of old, chasing the money that is now 'speech'. They serve the interests of the wealthy in either case. I see evidence of barbarians gathering at the gates....I foresee, as the Chinese curse puts it, interesting times.
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Oct 22, 2022 06:39:33   #
liberalh****r wrote:
Not as many times as we've heard... the border is closed, ultra maga , something stupid out of Joe's mouth or a cackle from a vice president .... or my favorite........ I didn't rape that monkey, it was consensual and don't worry about all these bumps its just herpes.


You can't hunt liberals when pointing the gun at yourself. Just put me on your ignore list if you don't want to talk about the subject of the thread or engage rationally.
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Oct 22, 2022 06:34:45   #
Peaver Bogart wrote:
Wait and see if the D-Rats get more v**es than there are D-Rats. I believe that's called C***TING.


this is what you said. More v**es for democrats than democrats is c***ting. That you don't know what you said is not proof that I'm stupid...and your inability to argue without vitriol says more about your mental state than mine.
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Oct 21, 2022 19:54:22   #
proud republican wrote:
Can he veto his own impeachment?


If Republicans take the House they can impeach away, which I hope they do. But even before the House v**es, know the Senate won't convict. The v**es won't be there.
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Oct 21, 2022 19:52:40   #
proud republican wrote:
Things changed since August... Million of Dems switched to Republicans...


How many times have we heard that? It's wishful thinking on the part of Republicans. There are also polls that state that Republicans are switching to Democrats. There is only one poll that counts....
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Oct 21, 2022 19:22:37   #
proud republican wrote:
Not after Midterms...We will be in Charge!!


Nope. The veto pen will be in charge.
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Oct 21, 2022 19:20:34   #
Peaver Bogart wrote:
Wait and see if the D-Rats get more v**es than there are D-Rats. I believe that's called C***TING.


Simple minds seek simple answers. Here in NC the 2nd largest 'party' is Unaffiliated. You think they're all going to v**e Republican? What a laugh.

https://www.ncdemography.org/2020/08/13/who-are-north-carolinas-7-million-registered-v**ers/
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Oct 21, 2022 18:35:19   #
son of witless wrote:
I guess this is the line our l*****t friends will take. What ever it is, it's never Joe's fault.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/whoopi-goldberg-freaks-out-over-media-not-reporting-real-culprit-behind-inflation-corporate-profits


How is this Joe's fault? The trend has been clear for a long time. It would be nice if you could back up your assertions with something that makes sense:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CP

Inflation is nothing more than a massive t***sfer of wealth from the working class to the elites:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/table/

It's the system set up by those who think 'socialism' is somehow evil, unlike capitalism which they claim distributes wealth in the fairest way possible....the best of all possible worlds.

What a crock or nonsense.
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Sep 4, 2022 17:44:18   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Gutfeld: Biden wants to be a civil wartime president
https://youtu.be/FWnvelQfiw4

'Gutfeld!' panelists react to President Biden's Thursday night anti-MAGA speech, where the president hammered 'MAGA Republicans' as 'a threat to democracy.'


Yogi Demis;
Well, at least Jimmy Carter can die happy knowing that he is now not the worst president in US history.


Well JC knew that when Trump was defeated.

What I want to know is: when did the MAGA crowd become such Karens? You had no problem with Trump calling Democrats treasonous and un-patriotic, but losing your minds (again?) when you receive the same sort of pushback. And shouldn't you have the same reaction about Trump calling Biden and his supporters enemies of the state...you know, in the interest of consistency?

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42954829

There will be no civil war....just more displays of rampant lawlessness by Trump's supporters couched in 'patriotic' fictional rationalizations.
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Aug 28, 2022 17:10:18   #
Ricktloml wrote:
The South didn't "switch" to Republican, but gradually became Republican as they gave up their r****t Democrat/C*******t ways. If you consider how easily the useful i***ts of the left eat-up the lies their ideological masters feed them...the fact that they would deny/ignore their own history/policies/agenda isn't surprising. Talk about delusion...this one takes lots of practice, but l*****ts have plenty of practice lying to themselves/others so refusing to look at their own historical past, (not the sanitized want they want to believe,) is no problem
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Speaking of eating up ideological lies.....'switch' is the equivalent of 'became Republican'. That you think there is a distinction is sad.
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Aug 23, 2022 20:45:09   #
microphor wrote:
The KK wasn't in Charlottesville to unite anybody, they were there to divide use your brain!


Nice reframe....too bad their rally was named 'Unite the Right'. KKK know who butters their bread now.
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