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Aug 22, 2013 22:36:59   #
Lou wrote:
You need not educate me on what the Tea party is all about . I know full well what it is all about . And although you spit out noble and high standards , nio politician , no not even Tea party candidates and those elected lives by them .
Unfortunately the Tea party has chosen the position to deny science and technology over servitude to big oil , tax cuts for the rich on the backs of the middle class, YOUR MORALS over everyone elses .
A perfect example of the tea party willingness to bring down the country and economy if their specific policies are not adapted is already self evident , by a failure to reach any consensus or compromise to the point of the present Sequestration , the downgrading of the US credit rating , and the threat of blocking any future budget resolution .
You deny facts deny science and Technology, in this discussion in favor of your highly partisan [and childish ] politics . Scientific American , the Upper Colorado River Authority are NON-PARTISAN .They are simoply stating the present hydrological and geological reality that presently exists in that region . FACT -there is a prolonged drought in progress with no signs of easing / FACT The Colorado River itself is in danger due to over damming and over diversion , so much so that the States involved are and have been engaged in water rights and disputes / FACT Major cities in the region face water crisis / FACT several town already are depending on water being shipped in to drink . /FACT the present technology incorporated in fracking wastes tremendous volumes of water a resource in that region that is under serious stress . FACT water used in fracking is NON RENEWABLE ,it can not be recovered or reused for anything .
And HERE YOU COME WITH YOUR B>S> CHARGE THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW L*****T ?????

THAT IS WHAT YOU AND YOUR TEAPARTY IS ALL ABOUT - PURPOSED IGNORANCE AND DENIAL .
So save all your lofty bullshheeet for someone who affords you any credulity . Soon the people in those regions will lose their farms and have to packup and leave their towns for lack of water , and it won't be " the left " to blame , it will be REALITY , something that seems to be alien to Tea Party Lackeys like yourself
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I was not going to respond to you anymore, but I can't let some of your bogus statements go without a rebuttal. After this response you won't hear from me much anymore because you are only interested in an echo of your own opinion, you do not respect anyone else's. You apparently do not know anything about the Tea Party when you make statements that it is the Tea Party that is bringing down the economy. You must be clueless about economics too because no Tea Party bill, or policy, has been adopted, or passed that has brought down the economy. It is Obama and his fellow democrats who have brought down this economy, they own it. Then, you blame the Tea Party for servitude to big oil, and tax cuts for the rich on the backs of the middle class - another bogus left-wing assertion. Under Obama, the income of the top 7% of earners has risen 28%, and the income of the lower 93% of earners has decreased by 4%. The rich have been getting richer (which I have no problem with), and the middle/poor class are getting poorer under Obama. Just for your info, the rich people do all the hiring, not the middle class. Obama's policies and inflation are k*****g the middle class and poor. The poor now comprise 16% of the population, the highest since LBJ back in 1965. Many of the rich have gotten richer due to the Fed propping up the stock market, which by the way is heading for a huge correction.

My MORALs over everyone else? At least I have some morals, the Democrat Party sure doesn't have any!

The sequestration for your info was Obama's idea. He proposed that idea when they c*********d on the debt ceiling back in December/January. He made it political and tried to turn the tables use it to damage the Republican Party when it came time to put up or shut up. Secondly, there was NO CUT! It was a reduction in the increase in spending, which the democrats always llike to label as a cut. Look up base line budgeting. And, we're only talking about $35b, a mere drop in the bucket when it comes to a $3.5T budget. It was a joke, and all political posturing by the Democrats.

As to water usage by fracking, reduce lawn watering and you will save about 10 times the amount of water that used for fracking.

Of course the expletives had to come out towards the end as that is the only way liberals can express themselves. And, you talk about morals. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house, pal.
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Aug 22, 2013 20:18:29   #
Lou wrote:
You need not educate me on what the Tea party is all about . I know full well what it is all about . And although you spit out noble and high standards , nio politician , no not even Tea party candidates and those elected lives by them .
Unfortunately the Tea party has chosen the position to deny science and technology over servitude to big oil , tax cuts for the rich on the backs of the middle class, YOUR MORALS over everyone elses .
A perfect example of the tea party willingness to bring down the country and economy if their specific policies are not adapted is already self evident , by a failure to reach any consensus or compromise to the point of the present Sequestration , the downgrading of the US credit rating , and the threat of blocking any future budget resolution .
You deny facts deny science and Technology, in this discussion in favor of your highly partisan [and childish ] politics . Scientific American , the Upper Colorado River Authority are NON-PARTISAN .They are simoply stating the present hydrological and geological reality that presently exists in that region . FACT -there is a prolonged drought in progress with no signs of easing / FACT The Colorado River itself is in danger due to over damming and over diversion , so much so that the States involved are and have been engaged in water rights and disputes / FACT Major cities in the region face water crisis / FACT several town already are depending on water being shipped in to drink . /FACT the present technology incorporated in fracking wastes tremendous volumes of water a resource in that region that is under serious stress . FACT water used in fracking is NON RENEWABLE ,it can not be recovered or reused for anything .
And HERE YOU COME WITH YOUR B>S> CHARGE THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW L*****T ?????

THAT IS WHAT YOU AND YOUR TEAPARTY IS ALL ABOUT - PURPOSED IGNORANCE AND DENIAL .
So save all your lofty bullshheeet for someone who affords you any credulity . Soon the people in those regions will lose their farms and have to packup and leave their towns for lack of water , and it won't be " the left " to blame , it will be REALITY , something that seems to be alien to Tea Party Lackeys like yourself
You need not educate me on what the Tea party is a... (show quote)


No use discussing anything of any substance with you. For you, it's full steam ahead right off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:43:08   #
viet vet wrote:
please keep believing that , you are an exceptional recruitment for liberals , so please keep up your dialogue


Oh, I'll keep believing it because it is the t***h. Being a liberal is easy, it's the easiest and most gutless choice. It takes courage to be a conservative.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:35:18   #
Lou wrote:
You gonna call Scientific American Left Leaning ??? I have no idea of who John Platt is .

Most of the info that Scientific American got came directly from the Upper Colorado River Authorities , are they lefty wackos ?

You're too quick to jump on your tea party band wagon .


Just to educate you on what the Tea party is all about, because I have read enough of your posts to realize you're clueless about what it stands for.

The Tea Party movement draws people from all political stripes, social causes, and income brackets. It draws people who have never participated in any kind of political or grassroots movement before. What they have in common, and what holds them together, is a very deep love for the uniqueness of the United States of America, a desire for the limited government that our Founding Fathers created, a fairly "strict" interpretation of the Constitution, a belief in capitalism and free enterprise and a strong sense of personal responsibility. The Tea party Movement does not endorse one particular solution, candidate, or party.

The issues and ideas that are at the core of the Tea Party movement:

1) All forms of government must abide by the boundaries set forth in state and federal constitutions.

2) All pork and earmarks in the stimulus, omnibus bills, and bailouts must be reversed and repealed. The national budget must be balanced. Spending cuts, not increased taxation should be used to balance the budget.

3) Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness implies personal responsibility, not handouts, free-enterprise and capitalism, not government controlled economies. Some people choose to be irresponsible (and of course some fall on hard times due to circumstances), but it is not the responsibility of the general public, vis-a-vis government intervention, to guarantee or bailout irresponsibility and failure. Private individuals and organizations give out of compassion and generosity, not compulsion through taxation laws, and pork barrel projects.

4) ALL elected and appointed officials are under the employment and serve at the will of We the People.

5) Excessive tax burdens k**l prosperity.

6) Excessive national debt is generational theft, and stealing the future of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

7) Neither major political party is "clean" on these issues. Both Democrats and Republicans have taxed excessively and neither have restrained the hand of government effectively. There are certainly individual representatives who have been faithful to their constituents and to the Constitution. However, too many are engaged in protecting their congressional positions and turf. The majority of government officials have insulated themselves from the people they serve, and hold themselves above the law. We are simply saying, "No, you aren't above the law."

8 ) The American public at large is ignorant of the purpose of government, the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. As a result, they allow politicians to sell them false hope and "rights" and "entitlements" that are not guaranteed by the Constitution. By educating the American people on the foundations of our history, we hope to bring sanity to the e******n and legislative processes.

9) As a group, we are appalled at the audaciousness and arrogance of our government in the last few years, particularly the proposals and bills passed in the last few months, despite massive public disapproval.

So Lou, are you saying you are against those ideals?
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Aug 22, 2013 17:14:27   #
Glenn wrote:
Oldschool, if you will notice I was responding to Lou, not you, sorry if you misunderstood!


Sorry about that.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:12:56   #
working class stiff wrote:
I posted that conservatives are wasting their time with BS about impeachment. Not once did I mention race. Now, you guys can spit into the wind about how no one but yourselves understand the need for impeachment, and that anyone who disagrees with you is a RINO, liberal, marxist or (your label here), but it must get awfully frustrating not being able to convince most of the people that THEY are i***ts while you know the t***h.
You claim that we don't care, but we do. That's why we are so gentle with you.
I posted that conservatives are wasting their time... (show quote)


You lefties care about the destruction of America, I'll buy that. You sure as hell have not cared about any of Obama's destructive policies, destroying America one executive order at time.

Gentle with me? You mean you have spared me the usual expletives and nonsensical BS you lefties like to throw at us conservatives because you can't back up your argument? If Obama's policies are so good, why is the economy in such bad shape? Every other post-WWII president that has inherited a recession has been able to turn the economy around in 1 to 2 years after taking office - and with opposing parties controlling the Senate or the House, or both. The dirty little t***h is Obama is incapable of turning around the economy, and on top of that he does not want to. His goal (as well as the Democrats) is to build a large permanent underclass, therefore owning their v**e. They have no intention of allowing you to stand on your own two feet and being self reliant. The Democrat party is about dependence on the government, they no longer stand behind the blue-collar worker. A big reason why I left the party several years ago.
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Aug 22, 2013 16:00:47   #
Glenn wrote:
If they're politicians in Colorado they probably are left leaning wacko's!
You are a little to quick to jump on the tea party I would think!


Scientific American isn't necessarily liberal, but it is left of center. Tea Party? And, just what is that?
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Aug 22, 2013 13:54:53   #
Lou wrote:
If this car sells it will be out of the Oil company's hands to attempt buying out the technology .
as for old schools statement about improving fracking , well I hope he's right , because right now in the west the situation is ALREADY critical .
I also disagree that better technology for batteries is years away , there are already in existence electro-chemical devices the size of about a 20 ft shipping container that are providing full power for multiple office building . And these are entirely renewable .
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First of all the west water situation is NOT critical due to water usage in fracking. There is a water shortage in the west due to drought no doubt, I happen to live in the west. But water usage for fracking is quite low when compared to water usage in lawn watering or power generation - far less. Read some of the articles on Forbes or The Wall Street Journal, they are far less biased than The Huffington Post article that was written by John Platt who is left-leaning environmentalist wacko - who by the way writes a lot of fiction.
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Aug 22, 2013 12:04:53   #
Lou wrote:
Here's a thought for you , try looking at things from an engineering , scientific ,or economical view , instead of "The Left "
Oil is not an infinite source , or a renewable source . While fracking is going full steam out West , they have a huge looming water problem . This due to overuse , waste , drought and fracking . Soon unless the drought breaks the Colorado river itself is in danger . The River is presently threatened by Daming , diversion and drought .
So what it comes down to for farmers , towns and cities is simple ...NO WATER /NO NOTHING . Just like the Oil Companies will have to find a new method of fracking that doesn't use so much water , the industries making those batteries will find a way . This is no a political issue , it is a science and technology issue . Water and Oil are FINITE resources . Human Life is sustained by water , not oil . And necessity is the mother of invention .
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You no doubt read The Huffington Post article on water use in fracking, and researched no further. If you would research further you would find many studies that the amount of water used in hydraulic fracturing will level off in the future, as water recycling technologies mature and the industry's rapid growth rate cools. You see their engineers are working on ways to reduce water usage. As for the oil statement, we have enough oil under our own surface, and off our coasts, to last 200+ years. We have abundant coal deposits that will last hundreds of years. How about using new technology to further reduce coal emissions, instead of destroying the industry?

Wait for 5, 10, or 20 years down the road when studies and reports start coming out about how much solar and wind power are destroying the environment - they're coming. Ever live close to a wind farm? I have an aunt that does, and the ground shaking from the wind generators are destroying her basement, not to mention the constant noise they generate.

I have no doubt that new battery technology will eventually design a better battery, but it it's many years away.
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Aug 22, 2013 11:41:43   #
I am not going to use the quote/reply here as this is a response to all of the clueless lefties that are dire need of some gray matter in their head vice just air. Hating to have a black man in the White House is about as far from the t***h as one can get, but then you lefties have never been partial to the t***h. I supported Herman Cain in 2012, and made several contributions to his campaign, just like I would support Ben Carson, Jessie Watts, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and many other conservative b****s. I would also support Elbert Lee Guillory for higher office (go to: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/08/elbert_lee_guillory_louisiana.html for an enlightening video of why he changed parties from Democrat to Republican. It's the Democrat Party that is the r****t party, not the Republicans.

You lefties are too invested in Obama to change, that is why I don't tend to argue with you - it's a total waste of my time. You're so invested in Obama that you could care less that Obama is taking this country to a totalitarian style socialistic country. You could care less; that the real unemployment rate is in the double digits (I said REAL unemployment rate), that we have a stagnant GDP growth, that companies are going overseas to escape the second highest corporate tax rate in the world and high wages brought on by the unions, that companies are converting to part-time work forces thanks to you lefties passing Obamacare (before we got a chance to read it), that we will no longer be a military super power in the future thanks to Obama, and I could go on. No, you lefties are so invested in Obama that he could commit almost any crime, or totally destroy this country and our Constitution, and you would still support him, or make excuses for him.
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Aug 22, 2013 11:05:25   #
Lou wrote:
If the car sells American Ingenuity will take care of the rest . Virtually all the products that are new , are usually expensive at first .When there is a demand , there is competition , and then comes the better mousetrap .


Battery technology is still it's achilles heel (not to mention cost), just as it is in solar power. Until a new cheaper and more durable battery is invented, the battery will be the downside of the electric car industry. In addition, many states (CA, NV, to name a few) are concerned about electric cars not using enough gas and therefore not paying any state fuel taxes. So they're currently evaluating mileage driven tax plans to ensure the electric car owners pay their fair share. Plus, our over-taxed antiquated electrical grid has to be used to charge the batteries. With the left ramping up "g***n e****y" plans (no matter the cost), the cost of electricity in the future is going to increase drastically.
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Aug 22, 2013 10:11:58   #
Just How Corrupt Is the Obama Administration? http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/just-how-corrupt-is-the-obama-administration/
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Aug 21, 2013 11:37:50   #
252 examples of Obama's lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc. http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
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