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Nov 24, 2016 21:03:58   #
JFlorio wrote:
The only way it works. In Revelation the world is on fire and the anti-Christ is seen, by those that are fooled, as the worlds savior.


Now that the means to wage economic war on the individual has come to pass with the Computer Age, how long will it be before they use economic sanction on those who resist the NWO? Not long. Greece already had a taste and the i***t Swedes are hell-bent (literally) on going cashless. This is going to be ugly.
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Nov 24, 2016 20:58:30   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Hey brother, we have the same soft voice telling us the very same thing. America's "last" chance (Christians ) one last push of the good news before the fate (God's will ) comes to pass for America. 1 Corinthians 15:52


The 6th Trumpet War is about to heat up. What happens in the near future is going to be ugly, but America will not go with the one-world government to its doom. I'm sure that's what the Voice is saying.
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Nov 24, 2016 20:47:08   #
Don't know if I need a Part IV...but you get the picture.


"The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." - Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

"The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of the world." - M. C. Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a subscription letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919)

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands." - Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in the book International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World (1931)

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will h**e the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." - H. G. Wells, in his book entitled The New World Order (1939)

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to the taste or training of the individual." - Excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

"In the first public declaration on the Jewish question since the outbreak of the war, Arthur Greenwood, member without portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of 'justice and peace.'" - Excerpt from article entitled "New World Order Pledged to Jews," in The New York Times (October 1940)

"If totalitarianism wins this conflict, the world will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be s***es. If democracy wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a commonwealth of free peoples, and individuals, wherever found, will be the sovereign units of the new world order." - The Declaration of the Federation of the World, produced by the Congress on World Federation, adopted by the Legislatures of North Carolina (1941), New Jersey (1942), Pennsylvania (1943), and possibly other states.

"New World Order Needed for Peace: State Sovereignty Must Go, Declares Notre Dame Professor" - Title of article in The Tablet (Brooklyn) (March 1942)

"Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight called for the early creation of an international organization of anti-Axis nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at the end of the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis." - Text of article in The Philadelphia Inquirer (June 1942)

"The statement went on to say that the spiritual teachings of religion must become the foundation for the new world order and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law of God." - American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in The New York Times (December 1942)

"There are some plain common-sense considerations applicable to all these attempts at world planning. They can be briefly stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order is, if properly understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies grow far more truly than they are built. A constitution for a new world order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper." - Norman Thomas, in his book What Is Our Destiny? (1944)

"He (John Foster Dulles) stated directly to me that he had every reason to believe that the Governor (Thomas E. Dewey of New York) accepts his point of view and that he is personally convinced that this is the policy that he would promote with great vigor if elected. So it is fair to say that on the first round the Sphinx of Albany has established himself as a prima facie champion of a strong and definite new world order." - Excerpt from article by Ralph W. Page in The Philadelphia Bulletin (May 1944)

"Alchemy for a New World Order" - Article by Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June 1995)

"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" - Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" - The New York Times (February 1962)

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a new world order." - Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

"He (President Nixon) spoke of the talks as a beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for future contacts and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in peace and building 'a new world order.'" - Excerpt from an article in The New York Times (February 1972)

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." - Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

"The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind can exert a positive role in shaping a new world order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture. We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the next century and that the death throes of the old and the birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species." - Richard A. Falk, in an article entitled "Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods and Drastic Visions," in the book On the Creation of a Just World Order (1975)

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a new world order." - Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the United Nations, October 1975)

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic security but a new world order." - Part of article in The New York Times (November 1975)

"A New World Order" - Title of article on commencement address at the University of Pennsylvania by Hubert H. Humphrey, printed in the Pennsylvania Gazette (June 1977)

"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement towards a new world order." - Mikhail Gorbachev, in an address at the United Nations (December 1988)

"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms." - Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in The Washington Post (May 1991)

"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period." - Richard Gephardt, in The Wall Street Journal (September 1990)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." - President George Bush (January 1991)

"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." - Excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New York Times (January 1991)

"I would support a P**********l candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order' based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court." - George McGovern, in The New York Times (February 1991)

"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order' root; F.D.R. used the phrase earlier." - William Safire, in The New York Times (February 1991)

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order" - Article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in The Wall Street Journal (April 1992)

"How to Achieve The New World Order" - Title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine (March 1994)

"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund." - Part of full-page advertisement by the government of Morocco in The New York Times (April 1994)

"New World Order: The Rise of the Region-State" - Title of article by Kenichi Ohmae, political reform leader in Japan, in The Wall Street Journal (August 1994)

"The new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for all." - Nelson Mandela, in The Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)

"The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was described as important "for the welfare of the whole world and the new world order." - President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in The New York Times (April 1995)

You'll note, Republicans and Democrats as well as other world leaders have been equally ready to sell our sovereignty to the NWO!
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Nov 24, 2016 20:30:25   #
The elites want to rule our lives. The grandchildren of the Robber Barons. This is what the e******n was really about and what we are fighting.


"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization

"We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." - Arthur Schlesinger Jr., 'The CFR Journal Foreign Affairs', August 1975.

"A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." - Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order (referring to the 1991 LA R**t). Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond (i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion), whether real or *promulgated* (emphasis mine), that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." - Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and C*******m under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." - Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, k**led in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies (marxism/f*****m/socialism v. democracy/capitalism) to enable them (the Illuminati) to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other." Myron F*gan

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." - David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers." - U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind." - George Herbert Walker Bush

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." - Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." - Statement by Council on Foreign Relations member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950



"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." - Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. " - British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

"What is important is to dwell upon the increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil." - Christian Science Monitor editorial, June 19th, l920

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." - New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." - Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press in l922.

"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world." - Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen.

"The government of the Western nations, whether monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semioccult power which....pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War I." - British military historian MajorGeneral J.F.C. Fuller, l941

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." - Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

"The real t***h of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." - A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." - Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." - Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government; a bureaucratic elite." - Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable" - Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the E*****rate - Is Government by the People Possible?

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a sk**lful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future." - U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." - Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." - Former Congressman John Rarick 1971

"The directors of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) make up a sort of Presidium for that part of the Establishment that guides our destiny as a nation." - The Christian Science Monitor, September 1, l961

"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." - CFR member Richard Gardner writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.

"The planning of UN can be traced to the 'secret steering committee' established by Secretary of State Cordell Hull in January 1943. All of the members of this secret committee, with the exception of Hull, a Tennessee politician, were members of the Council on Foreign Relations. They saw Hull regularly to plan, select, and guide the labors of the State Department's Advisory Committee. It was, in effect, the coordinating agency for all the State Department's postwar planning." - Professors Laurence H. Shoup and William Minter, writing in their study of the CFR, "Imperial Brain Trust: The CFR and United States Foreign Policy." (Monthly Review Press, 1977).

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." - Harpers, July l958

This is all I can put in one post. Part III coming. I resisted the urge to add emphasis since ALL these quotes are so telling!
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Nov 24, 2016 19:46:30   #
Gener wrote:
Exactly


"The case for government by elites is irrefutable"

Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the E*****rate - Is Government by the People Possible?
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Nov 24, 2016 19:43:09   #
Nickolai wrote:
Meet the ancestor of Whales a land creature that adapted to making its living in the sea and gradually the fore limbs evolved in to flippers and the hind legs shrunk to where they are no longer visible but re small bones near the tail attached to the pelvis


How inefficient, don't you think, to "evolve" from sea to land and back again?
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Nov 24, 2016 19:40:53   #
JFlorio wrote:
The only chance I see of evolution being proved is tdsnest does seem to be closely related to primordial sludge.


Doesn't that prove a lack of evolution?
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Nov 24, 2016 19:27:26   #
Pennylynn wrote:
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania ..... there is a new tactic to oust President Elect Trump.... and it is based on a could have happened computer hacking. Was the system r****d against K**lary? This group of people seem to think so. Mind you, they have no evidence that hacking took place... they just believe that K**lary should have been elected.

"Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and e******n lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes v****g-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-e******n-results.html

"How might a foreign government hack America’s v****g machines to change the outcome of a p**********l e******n? Here’s one possible scenario. First, the attackers would probe e******n offices well in advance in order to find ways to break into their computers. Closer to the e******n, when it was clear from polling data which states would have close e*******l margins, the attackers might spread malware into v****g machines in some of these states, rigging the machines to shift a few percent of the v**e to favor their desired candidate. This malware would likely be designed to remain inactive during pre-e******n tests, do its dirty business during the e******n, then erase itself when the polls close. A sk**led attacker’s work might leave no visible signs — though the country might be surprised when results in several close states were off from pre-e******n polls."

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-e******n-was-hacked-look-at-the-b****ts-c61a6113b0ba#.3w3nw6uld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

If she is going to demand a recount, her time is running out.... but, if she does then all states using electronic v****g and the call was close.... will they also be recounted? Is this just a scheme to keep obama in the White House?

Your opinions are welcomed... read the articles and let's kick this around.... and I am not taking about each other....
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania ..... there ... (show quote)


I seriously doubt this will go anywhere.
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Nov 24, 2016 19:22:55   #
Gener wrote:
While I am not sure just exactly what this post and the previous one mean, I do have some idea what is being said here. And while I am not strictly speaking Christian, (but not non Christian either, I accept Buddhism, Hinduism, and Taoism as well) I understand very well what made this nation great. Basically it boils down to this, fundamentalist, Protestant, Christianity. And when we move away from that, we move away from Divine protection, and that is a fact. Though the liberals on this site are too blind to see it. And I bring this up not only because of BigMike's post, but because today is Thanksgiving, which was started in America as a way to thank God for abundant blessings, AND, that they were able to move away from the totalitarianism of the crown of England, which the pilgrims saw as Pharaoh. And they themselves believed they were the modern day version of the exodus of the Jews from the land of Egypt. Most of us have forgotten this. So anyway, I am thankful, deeply grateful, for the wonderful country we live in, and its Christian heritage. Any country that moves away from that looses its freedoms. And that is happening to us right now. The Jews escaped from Pharaoh, but when they forgot the source of their freedom, they we destroyed by Babylon and Assyria. Those things were, while literally true, an allegory for our situation today. History is cyclical as well as linear. There is only on Author and source of freedom, and if you leave that, you have nothing. The prophecies in the book of Daniel and Revelation are coming true today. And will be fully fulfilled very soon. From this there is only one escape; get back to the original meaning of thanksgiving, and the source of our freedom.
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Bottom line...the NWO will be a totalitarian disaster!
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Nov 24, 2016 13:42:48   #
Docadhoc wrote:
What we must remember is that OPP attracts the more outspoken proponents on all sides. We can't judge the mood or mindset of the man in the street by the comments here. We on OPP are subjected to those who behave poorly. I doubt if they behave the same in real life and I doubt they believe everything they espouse. I think these are the ones living a vicarious life through their outrageous behavior here that they know they can't get away with elsewhere.

There are movers and shakers behind the scenes directing. We have little or no contact with them.

The huge majority on all sides are spectators, bystanders watching and formulating opinions based on what they see. I doubt very much if they approve of these demonstrations and r**ts regardless of which political philosophy they adhere to. I don't see them as the enemy even if they believe differently than I. I see them as decent people whose political interests aren't powerful enough to cause them to look beyond the media's control.

They however are the ones who ultimately will decide the future direction of America, for they have the power of the v**e.

The time to butt heads has passed. It is time to gently educate in a manner that cannot be mistaken for aggressive or condescending behavior. If these v**ers can be helped to see, the g*******ts will not succeed.
What we must remember is that OPP attracts the mor... (show quote)


I would just add to that...everyone reading your post who cares, or believes that globalism is a threat to America's sovereignty, needs to thoroughly educate themselves about its inroads into our way of life and its implications!

I'd also suggest they read the prophecies of Daniel and John!
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Nov 24, 2016 13:36:59   #
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Can or will McConnell allow a back door appointment to be executed by the Democrats?


I'm not putting it past him, but against all the odds, Trump just slapped the machine in the face and took its lunch money. To me, considering how rapidly we were being pushed into a world government, that smacks of the Divine and prophecy.

2 Chronicles 7:14King James Version (KJV)

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

My people...not "all the people".

America has a destiny and if the hag had won...I think we would have had 4 more years of creeping globalism. T***p w*n. I think that means wh**ever is going to happen is that much closer.

I'm more concerned with what the UN has up its sleeve during Obama's lame duck term, if you want to know the t***h.
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Nov 24, 2016 13:28:55   #
Gener wrote:
Be careful, the liberal left at the highest level will stop at absolutely nothing to promote their agenda. This isn't over, not by a long shot. The elite believe they have the cat in the bag and it is all over but the shouting. They are not intimidate by a Trump e******n. It does make them mad, and it does delay their plans, but the power rests with them, and democracy is coming to an end, Trump or no Trump.


The whole world will not be part of the NWO. We don't have to be if we continue to be vigilant. The problem is that folks nap after an e******n. No rest for the weary this time.
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Nov 24, 2016 11:52:48   #
Loki wrote:
Supreme Court nominees and confirmations are the province of the Senate. If the Senate is not declared out-of-session, then Obama can make no appointment. He already tried one, and got shot down 9-0 by the Supreme Court. Harry Reid held the Senate in session one year to prevent an appointment he opposed. It remains to be seen whether or not Mitch ("I'm Obama's B***h" } McConnell will show the same determination. However, the Senate is well aware of the mood of the country. I don't think that chicken kacky bastard McConnell would dare to let a recess happen in which Obama could appoint Garland to the SCOTUS. If he does, it would only be for a year or less, since the appointment must be confirmed by the Senate.
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The mood of the nation is exactly why I think it's going to work out.
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Nov 24, 2016 11:51:42   #
Docadhoc wrote:
There is a problem on the horizon though. The constitution allows the president to fill any vacancy left when congress goes into recess, and it defines recess as a congressional break lasting more than 10 days. It also states that the person appointed to fill the position will retain the position until the end of the next congressional term.

Congress is planning to take early recess beginning 12/9/16. It would be out much more than 10 days which will allow Obama to appoint his nominee without congressional approval.

It's difficult to believe Ryan would give him the window but I don't trust Ryan any more than Obama.

This would be a terrible way to hand off to Trump.
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It's going to work out.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:48:56   #
jonhatfield wrote:
Thank you, BM, for this summary of the basis for the NWO "conspiracy" viewpoint. Here I thought the conspiracy story was just made up by the crazies. ha.

Not that I don't think the NWO conspiracy story line isn't a bit "crazy" interpretation of that basis, but it relates and is significant to my own "crazy" federalist interpretation of United States history and the future of civilization--except my story line goes back to the constitution of the federal government, the Federalists and Hamilton's bank plus Hamilton & Washington's effort to organize an expedition to aid the Brits against the French plus the New England secession movement...and then the Jefferson insistence on reserved rights of decision to individuals and states as addition to the consititutional division of decision powers as check & balance to federal action plus Jefferson's focus on American interests (siding with French, Louisiana purchase, expansion westward)...and then the Jacksonian "populist" revolution by radical or extremist Jeffersonians (an ironic alliance of the common people and plantationists--the plantation system being the new world version of the old world economic and social manorial system) against the then federal-government "establishment." Andrew Jackson's candidacy and e******n was "unprecedented" and he was regarded by the establishment as unsuitable for office politically and in personal history (dueling, irregular marriage, etc.). The result was formation of opposed Whig and Dem political parties that formally nominated President and Vice Pres. tickets. In the later 1850s the Republican Party replaced the Whig Party as proponent of federal action & programs (like the national railroad system) and disapproval of s***ery on principle--resulting in secession of plantation areas, the Confederacy, and the Civil War.

Well, Mike, it's 5 a.m. and my malfunctioning computer just erased half of what I had put together the past two hours (I have difficulty in working out wording and details of my ideas). I've run out of time and won't have time to get back to the subject this year. Perhaps you can see part of where I was headed...history repeats itself. So, was the United States federal government a conspiracy? a new national order conspired toward by a club of a few snob elitists in the 1780s? Or could the Revolution and American independence and the set up of a republic not ruled by a monarch trace to a few conspirig British statesmen? There were some Brit statesmen who agreed with the basis for the revolution on principle, even if they regretted losing the colonies. (The Brits have a history of accepting secession--Ireland, the recent Scotland v**e on secession, Brexit, & various Commonwealth nations and parts.)

Snob and conspiracy do not apply to the Revolution or the Constitution you and I would agree. It was, however, unique in its time and the key event leading to present-day civilization. The so-called New World Order is in fact an American idea--or at least the United Nations was specifically created by by Amerians its "capital" located in America, and mirrors our federal constitution in limited power and check and balance (5 nations with veto power).To make it more functional, a Jeffersonian amendment make-over is needed to reassure participants about limitations in action, reservation of powers to nation states .

America is home to many organizations with goals to do good--Lion's Clubs, the Masons, Veteran organizations, Chambers of Commerce, Salvation Army, Food Pantries, etc.-- and some that intend good but do bad. In the 1960s I taught in a small northern Illinois rural town with a Lion's Club--mostly only a social club but with good intentions. Most small towns have or had a community social club. Much later around 2004 I found out that the town's social club in the 1920s & 30s was KKK and the town's prominent businessmen and farmers were members. I've even seen a picture of one of the meetings with names written beside each in the picture. The "good" intention of this particular KKK was not anti-black but vigilante action against incest, window peeking, exposure to children, etc. that the law did not act against as late as the 1950s as it would today. I didn't find out about the KKK past until 40 some years later by accident and then by circumstance of 1960s conversations about some people run out of town in the distant past was able to see what was involved was different from what I would have thought if all I knew was that there had been a KKK chapter.

The "NWO conspiracy" is perhaps likewise different from what you think from the sinister New World ORDER wording without taking into consideration the intent of the club behind it and the details of the United Nations set-up and its actions so far. True, there's always the danger of too much order or regulation that stifles independent decision and innovation. The Roman Republic lasted only 200 years and the Greek democracy cities less. Then confrontation with outside forces required centralization of power and decision. The other factor in the end of the Roman Republic was economic change that eliminated the independent citizen class...which for Rome was the independent farmer class--eliminated by consolidation of land into estates and eventually becoming the manorial system with serfs through the Middle Ages (the plantation system with s***es was the version that developed in the new world). My freshman research paper in 1956 at the University of Tennessee was farm consolidation in Clarendon Township, Calhoun County, Michigan posing the question or comparison with the farm consolidation at the end of the Roman Republic eliminating the independent citizen basis of the republic, cited in Gibbon's Decline and Fall of Rome as one of the causes of the end of the republic and resulting manorial system. My professor was impressed and wanted me to revise it for publication. I didn't because the thesis was based on my coincidental awareness of details of combination of several farm ownerships or operations with my uncle's farm and my cousin and her husband's farm and awareness that most of my other relatives on both sides and their neighbors who made up the Clarendon community no longer farmed (and 60 years later Clarendon township no longer exists as a community except in memory). The Roman historical connection was also coincidental from the fact my high school in Fountain City, Tennessee, had once been an academy and thus the high school library somehow still had all umpteen volumes of Gibbons Roman history, of which I as my class's classic nerd was the only reader of all the volumes. I thought the coincidences were too uncertain limited to one townships location...and the Roman connection somewhat irrelevant since a middle class of independent business citizens existed and a large class of working citizens with near middle class status and independence through representation of their interests in employment. I had no inkling of the degree of coming mega corporate consolidation & decimation of the independent business citizen class or the marginalization of independent worker status by the feeling of distance from participation in decision making in the mega corporate world and the global economy...and now the tech economy and automation is even changing the amount and type of work & jobs. In thiwww.onepoliticalplaza.com%2ft-88292-1.htmls" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://track.adform.net/C/?bn=14854298;adfibeg=0;cdata=8u7SX29JHPxACfhGk_iqdQdOEdT_3m5sNonWk69tYFuC9FhdqCIGuQuSttHJxqm-EoAFY0ezjM5fJRkqoSBBriHMi2oqam42nfEuy3JRUHsGc917tVle_0HhIpkoas3H0;;CREFURL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.onepoliticalplaza.com%2ft-88292-1.htmls" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://d.adroll.com/r/ISRFVJ4CYZEJLCRYPCOWW4/7ZOAJPJYOVH23CASOPBYO2/f1c8ac707335a375d6b97019442b8dbd.tp?adroll_height=90&adroll_width=728&site_url=http%3A//onepoliticalplaza.com&adroll_ad_payload=__HIAbkBkwHaAafIAaMAAbvHoMiyzS8oLMDNzCnYPcotIsIz0N3cJSTQ1UVqW3h4ULBzsIexl5u7l7GnkYm7t0eoibHFtgBPT5dAcz-TKD83jwCnEHN_T4uAIH-rcwxSaddtViTn5-RkpqQW2W82MjA0MzQ0NIsvM4s3NI4vSS0ucTsuyDTx-qd5a_be2_rq2rOT_f3fFrC6__c-5Mcfc3ZGZ-ms0mLdcqA6XaOkijVFpXl5mXnp8RaWZoZnOrdklJQUWOnrl5eX6xXnlxXl6SXn556ZfS7CuOvimQVb8_NSC_JzMksykxNzCnISqxLB0osYzyw-fGaJ0JlTy9NMDUwNE9POnD7OxjLxHIPstwdnzgBds2He0gv_Px2fCHfNmV_HeZkbV6SWZabk58WXnLWacebvFAM9U6OzTJGriwsLStMh_jnLFHX4LFMc2NdnmU7cYlCwSDQySjJJNk80SzZLMjBLTbQwNU6zsEhLtEw1TDVONTvLdHpJXmlOzlmmc3cYhDN1DVIN0wwsDE0MUlMME5MtTBPPsvgcPsu6anVBUX5xQWpyCdDzZ9kyzn4RBgCsIPFS8dRWlT5uiio_&adroll_subnetwork=r&cpm=0oozWMLvAgAryVqE2y8cB6hF4nuHIG4La2lZvg&adroll_network=pubmatic&clickurl=http%3A//clicktrack.pubmatic.com/AdServer/AdDisplayTrackerServlet%3FclickData%3DJnB1YklkPTYyNDgzJnNpdGVJZD03NDE4OCZhZElkPTIwNjY0OSZrYWRzaXplaWQ9NyZ0bGRJZD0yMDE5NDEzOSZjYW1wYWlnbklkPTIyODA4JmNyZWF0aXZlSWQ9MCZhZFNlcnZlcklkPTI0MyZpbXBpZD01OEUxMzFERi05OUI5LTQ2RjAtOEM5Qi0yMTRGODg3QTVCNkQmcGFzc2JhY2s9MA%3D%3D_url%3Dwww.onepoliticalplaza.com%2ft-88292-1.htmls" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://track.adform.net/C/?bn=14854298;adfibeg=0;cdata=8u7SX29JHPxACfhGk_iqdQdOEdT_3m5sNonWk69tYFuC9FhdqCIGuQuSttHJxqm-EoAFY0ezjM5fJRkqoSBBriHMi2oqam42nfEuy3JRUHsGc917tVle_0HhIpkoas3H0;;CREFURL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.onepoliticalplaza.com%2ft-88292-1.htmls changed and changing world it is no wonder many people are angry and uncertain in this greatest nation that has created and is the present center of the most advanced stage of civilization--so advanced and changed that there seems nothing much to decide or do to advance beyond the economic bigness advance that becomes a dependence and control trap and the automation advance that eliminates jobs and frees time for individual choice--except that could tend to self-centered life, pleasure, addiction, obsession, comparison, failure, and various degrees of wrong or meaningless choices and results. Certainly fewer job opportunities will be (and is) difficult politically and socially--possibly impossible and a trigger for a Middles Ages phase suspension to our civilization. That is, if the Trump "populist revolution" doesn't so divide us (like the Jacksonian populist movement did) that we split or so cancel our alliances & global status that we cannot use the UN to control Russian, Turk, Iranian, and our own "great again" programs thus requiring authoritarian govt. to avoid possible defeat in resulting confrontations & wars.

Again, Mike, I thank you for presenting the specifics of the NWO "conspiracy." Your statees\\ment that opposition to and distrust of a world government "is what the e******n was about" I would rate as on the mark and related to my interpretation of the Federalist (Hamiltonian) idea of a national bank and a central government active in overall decisions in the interest of the whole union without restricting decisions of the parts in their specific interests...with the Jeffersonians distrusting central government in general opposition to larger national power to decide action because outside special interests tend to determine decisions. The definite recent trend is for key nations to choose "populist" national greatness and scorn or "trump" international "political correctness" standards or ideals. This could destroy united action or could lead to action between nations to redefine international decision set-up to ensure against overreach or over-regulation in international decision and action so that nations can trust the United Nations decision-making set-up and make actual effective and workable international decisions and actions possible.

Well, that's my take on the United Nations as an effort in the American United States model. I wish the advocacy of international government you enumerated so clearly had been more open and less elitist and snobbish. The conspiratorial appearance of this behind-the-scene advocacy club's connection to the creation of the United Nations has created the believable NWO conspiracy story line that questions the intent of the global cooperative effort the UN is.
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Concentration of power in the hands of the few, elitism and snobbishness run hand in hand. Unavoidable. Which is why the Establishment in America needs to be neutered!

I had a bunch more quotes from the political and financial elite, but like you, my computer is screwing up and I was afraid I'd have to write my post again.

Just an aside; the Bible says a "world government" (although it won't be the whole world) is coming...and that it won't be a good thing.
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