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Apr 30, 2017 19:59:18   #
ron vrooman wrote:
are we talking the act or the reality of the fraud! I have set a goal! The return of our founding documents to total functionality for all; to ensure that all of we the people, Oregonians, including, US citizens, State Nationals, free inhabitants, foreign agents, aliens and excluding no one on the land within the Several States of America. The 4 Organic laws to be the 1st law of the land, plus the Oregon Constitution Original and to not enforce code upon those not within the codes sphere of jurisdiction.
As an officer of the court you are required to notify me of any deficiencies in my documents.
are we talking the act or the reality of the fraud... (show quote)


The 17th amendment changed the way Senators attained office. Before then they were appointed by their statehouses and could be recalled at any time. Now they have 6 years to imbed themselves like ticks and they're hard as hell to get rid of.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:54:53   #
bahmer wrote:
We could restart the crusades here and then go to Europe hows that.


Not necessary. The Europeans will do that themselves...and soon. Since BREXIT Germany has pushed for a European Supernation with a single army. With jee-haw-dees running amok in Europe and a Pope all for a world government and Europe's typical arrogance and the spirit of Charlemagne yammering in their ears (breathe!) there's plenty of motivation for them to launch their own crusade...against Israel this time. They'll want to try out their new army and they just passed UN resolution3442 which states Israel is illegally in occupation of Jerusalem. The Jews will never give up Jerusalem and wh**ever "world community" exists in Europe will feel obligated to enforce "international law". This will turn out badly for them. We don't need to help them die. They're already dead.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:43:23   #
slatten49 wrote:
Perhaps, Mike. But, The Borowitz Report..after all, is satirical.


I kinda worry for the guy's safety. That's all.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:41:06   #
oldroy wrote:
I have to agree totally with your last sentence. We haven't fallen as low as Europe has but then they had a large lead to begin with.


Yep. 20 or 30 years further down the primrose path. We lucked out and soon the fur will be flying everywhere. Uh...more than now. Much more.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:39:02   #
bahmer wrote:
Sounds good to me.


I actually do believe that in one way or another the center of world power will move to Europe. The call of Charlemagne is very loud there.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:19:12   #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
I probably would. I'd probably like it even more if you could send me a copy, in hardcover. I could use it to beat those stubborn fools over the head with.


For that you'd want the hardcover of Carroll Quigley's Hope and Tragedy...an intimate peek into the mind and world of the dedicated progressives who believe in a world government ruled by an elite class...and 1400 pages! Unstoppable G****l W*****g wouldn't make quite the...impression...Hope and Tragedy would. The people mentioned in Hope and Tragedy are the same ones using AGW for political reasons today.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:13:53   #
Loki wrote:
I still say that in most places, the wall will not do much good. What is needed is more surveillance, more rapid response capability for the Border Patrol. Trump has already okayed hiring more agents, but they need helicopters and ATV's, etc, to do interdictions. I still say drones are cheaper than a wall and more effective. Find 'em and intercept 'em. Of course, we could put wetbacks that are caught sneaking in to work building the wall.


I never pictured the wall as a wall anyway. In my mind it was always a combination of many things: surveillance, manpower, natural and man-made physical barriers, economic sanction on employers, legal repercussions, training the national guard on the border, etc. and now Cruz has come up with an idea. Use cartel money to pay for the wall. I like it. Use i*****l a***ns to build the wall. I like that too, but I don't want them building the wall anymore than I want Hannibal Lechter removing my tonsils.
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Apr 30, 2017 19:06:05   #
lindajoy wrote:
They are so intertwined with the Caatel I would suggest its the Cartel that runs the country... They need the Cartel money spent into their economy and they protect them for this very purpose..Their own people have no jobs and live in poverty, which is just exactly what the government wants......

I had not thought about what Larry says but see how it could be argued an act of war and I agree Mexico will not let that go down...They need our trade and money ..


Perhaps, but knowing governments, how likely is it that the Mexican government's response is swift and effective?

Bottom line, the cartels will be taking potshots, they already do and who knows how many other crazies will do the same?
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Apr 30, 2017 18:58:54   #
Rivers wrote:
I posted this once before, but since Trump has released his excellent tax reform plan, I thought it would be good to post it again.

The individual income tax is the largest source of revenue to the largest operation on Earth: the U.S. federal government. In fiscal 2015, the individual income tax alone brought in $1,540,802 million, or just over $1.54T, to the feds. To confirm that, see "Table 2.1 -- Receipts by Sourceâ" on page 37 of Historical Trends at the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank.

The federal individual income tax (also called the "personal" income tax) has always been highly progressive; those who earn more income have higher tax rates. It's been the case for years now that the top 5 percent of income taxpayers provide more than 50 percent of individual income tax revenue, while the bottom 40 percent, due to refundable tax credits like the EITC, provide less than nothing.

It was recently reported that the Middle Quintile of federal income taxpayers had an average effective tax rate of 2.6 percent in 2013. Even so, we hear calls for middle class tax cuts. So let's look at what the middle 20 percent of us have been paying for the last nearly forty years. In "Historical Average Federal Tax Rates for All Households," the Tax Policy Center lists CBO data on average tax rates from 1979 to 2011 for various categories of federal taxes. The second block is income taxes, the left side of which I used to make the accompanying screen-grab. You can quickly see that the trend has been for the Middle Quintile to pay less and less income tax. The highest effective rate for the Middle Quintile was 8.2 percent in 1981. All through the Reagan, Bush 41, and Clinton years the middle classes were paying more, often paying more than twice what they've been paying lately.

Whenever it's pointed out how very little that middle and lower income earners pay the feds in income taxes, progressives begin caterwauling about all the other taxes these folks pay. And it's true; most Americans pay more in payroll, sales, property, and other taxes than they do in federal individual income taxes. But just because they're paying a ton of money in other taxes, doesn't mean that they should get cuts in a tax that many of them aren't paying. If the middle and lower classes are "overtaxed," then cut the taxes that they actually pay, not the taxes they barely pay. For instance, rather than again cutting the middle class's individual income taxes, end ObamaCare's individual mandate instead. Indeed, Congress ought to sell the repeal of ObamaCare to the folks as a tax cut.

On Feb. 1 in "H&R Block Is Enlisting IBM's Watson To Help With Your Taxes," Fortune's technology writer Jonathan Vanian reports that H&R Block, the world's largest tax pr********n business, will begin using A.I., i.e. Artificial Intelligence, at their brick-and-mortar outlets:

The deal puts IBM's Watson data analytics service in front of the millions of people who visit one of H&R Block's 10,000 U.S. offices during tax season. The Watson data sifting technology is one of IBM's key businesses including cloud computing and cybersecurity that it hopes will revive the company after several years of declining sales.

With our taxes getting so complicated that we need Artificial Intelligence to prepare them, one wonders what the relation is between the tax pr********n industry and the government. Could the IRS be in cahoots with H&R Block?

The addition of Watson to H&R Block's tax pr********n team was touted during Super Bowl 51 (video of the TV ad).

"Get Your Taxes Won" is the ad's slogan. (Are we to assume that taxes are a contest that can be lost?) The production values of the video are rather good, but the product it is selling isn't something anyone should have to buy. Real Americans should be repelled by the message, because taxes shouldn't be complex, they shouldn't be a chore, folks shouldn't need to use a super computer to lower their tax bills to something that is acceptable.

In 2015, candidate Trump said that he wanted to "put H&R Block right out of business" by simplifying our taxes. In an interesting short video, Block's CEO responded to Trump's threat, and to charges that the company benefits from the tax code's complexity, reminding us that "there are five different definitions of a child in the tax code." A columnist at Block's hometown newspaper wrote that putting Block out of business "would wipe out 80,000 jobs." Right, and the only reason those people have their jobs is because Congress has made our income taxes too damn complicated. If Congress really wants to give Americans another tax cut, then they should simplify income taxes so we don't need to pay someone to prepare our tax returns.

We know that Democrats have no compunction about making our lives more complicated in order to affect their social agenda, but what about the GOP? ObamaCare complicated our taxes with its tax credit subsidies, and now we learn that the replacement for ObamaCare might just have that same feature.

What sheep we Americans have become if we think that our personal income tax system is necessary, natural, and normal. It's disturbing that a supposedly free people would meekly accept such a tax system. It needs to be radically simplified, which would serve as a "tax cut" for the middle class and all Americans.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/02/the_real_tax_unfairness_.html
b I posted this once before, but since Trump has ... (show quote)


The more we can remove taxes as a political football, the better, and simplifying the tax code makes a heck of a lot of sense. If the code is simple Congress doesn't have to bicker endlessly over it while other things remain undone.
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Apr 30, 2017 18:54:54   #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Ever notice how the left is always using fact checking sites, such as factchect.org, as sources to bolster their l*****t arguments. Well, read this.

http://www.matchdoctor.com/blog_141905/Factcheck_org_--_A_Fraudulent_Fact_Check_Site_Funded_By_Biased_Political_Group.html

Once you finish reading this, you'll have to agree that the only proper response to fact check sites, used as sources, is derisive laughter.


Accompanied by the proper salute. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and wisdom is a better BS filter than these propagandist pickers of the low-h*****g fruit.
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Apr 30, 2017 18:49:38   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
OK, that's just as good as putting the bend in bananas, I guess. Or we could send him to Venezuela to count potholes...


I guess I should have kept reading...I thought is was something really bad.
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Apr 30, 2017 18:48:17   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Poor Al. He lost his shirt on that 'Chicago Carbon Exchange' idea of his, too. Poor boy. Maybe he should find a new line of work, like 'banana bender'.


Er...whatsa banana bender?


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Apr 30, 2017 18:45:16   #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
When Al Gore was born, there were only 7,000 polar bears. Today, only 30,000 remain. Looks like g****l w*****g agrees with them.
When Al Gore was born, there were only 7,000 polar... (show quote)


When the ice is gone...and the coasts are flooded...and the Sahara goes south...and the Antarctic is exposed...and we find an ancient civilization there, the polar bears will have turned back to brown, which is what they were before they turned white, and they'll be hunting seals on the beaches because that's where the seals will have to go too.
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Apr 30, 2017 18:38:28   #
AuntiE wrote:
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/american-society/economy/trump-personal-tax-proposals/

Trump’s Prudent Tax Proposals

Only the brain dead could see Trump's tax plan as a negative for the economy.

JOHN STEELE GORDONApr. 28, 2017

And, to be sure, there are some. Lowering the top rate to 35 percent from 39.6 obviously benefits the more well-off as that rate kicks in only on incomes (for single tax filers) over $418,000. So does eliminating the 3.8 percent tax on the investment incomes of high earners, which is supposed to help fund Obamacare.

Eliminating the estate tax would also benefit the rich. Estates of less than $11 million (for a couple) are exempt from the tax, and the estates of only about 5,300 very rich people incur the tax in a given year. The Times says this would cost the federal government about $178 billion in tax revenue over the next decade.

But eliminating the estate tax, in fact, would be more a delay on taxation than an elimination of it. The estate tax is a capital gains tax that is triggered by death rather than by sale. Often, it forces the sale of assets regardless of whether the heirs want to sell or if the time is propitious to sell. Once the estate tax is paid, the cost basis of the remaining assets rises to the price on the date of death.

When the estate tax was eliminated for the year 2010, while the heirs of large estates that year paid no estate tax, the cost basis of the inherited assets remained what they had been before the death of the testator. So when those assets are eventually sold, as a large capital gains tax is often owed, making up for the lost estate tax revenue. For instance, Amazon stock is currently selling at about $950 a share. I don’t know what Jeff Bezos’s cost basis is on his vast holdings of Amazon, but my guess is that it is no more than a few cents a share.

Trump would also eliminate the alternative minimum tax that affects only the rich and upper middle class. Originally designed in the late 1960’s to tax wealthy Americans who had put their assets in such investments as tax-exempt bonds, it soon metastasized into a monster. The high inflation of the 1970’s forced many middle-class people to, in effect, calculate their taxes twice and pay the higher amount. Eliminating it is simply good tax policy. If it lowers the taxes on some of rich, so be it.

Lowering the capital gains tax to 15 percent would, of course, benefit the rich (as well as many middle-class citizens), but it would also increase federal revenues. A capital gains tax is incurred only when an asset is sold. With higher capital gains taxes people become increasingly unwilling to sell assets, so it impedes capital flows to better investments. Whenever the tax has been lowered, increased sales of investments have generated higher federal revenue despite the lower rates.

Only a liberal could be against lowering a tax rate when the effect of doing so would be to increase tax revenue.

And the Trump tax proposal also socks it to the rich. Only the top one-third of taxpayers ordinarily itemize deductions. And the proposal would eliminate all deductions except those for mortgage payments and charitable contributions. Many of the very rich live in high-tax states such as New York and California where, under current law, they can deduct from their federal taxes what they pay in state and local taxes. (This would also, of course, put great pressure on these states to lower their taxes and increase the exodus of the rich to low-tax states such as Texas and Florida.)

It might be pointed out that in high-tax states, the federal government, in effect, reduces the rate of state and local taxation on the rich by 39.6 percent and on their less affluent neighbors by only 25 percent. One would think the left would want to eliminate that perverse tax policy. But don’t hold your breath. High-tax states are blue states.

The Trump tax proposals for personal taxes would simplify the tax code, remove perverse incentives now built into it, free up capital markets, increase capital gains revenues, and stimulate the economy. But, of course, it would reduce the amount of taxes some rich people would have to pay and, therefore, to the brain-dead, it’s a terrible idea no matter how much economic good it does for the whole country.

I’ll cover the proposed changes in the corporate tax rates in a later post, but suffice it to say that they would supercharge the American economy, offsetting much of the revenue lost through lower rates.
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Any improvement is better than what we have now! That's my motto!
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Apr 30, 2017 18:36:14   #
bahmer wrote:
Very true and we have to rise up and stop it before it is to late.


We have to rise up, but I think it's already too late, we don't have enough history left for the progressives to do to us what they did to Europe.

It turns out OK, though.
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