I just quoted what you posted on that picture of the Vasa ship that you said you were refurbishing in your trailer park....this one:

Identical twins happen when a single fertilized egg splits into two. (I have nieces who are identical twins - two girls.) Identical twins look almost exactly alike and share the exact same genes. My nieces are 26 years old and I still can't tell them apart. Most identical twins happen by chance.

Fraternal twins occur when two separate eggs are fertilized by two separate sperm. (I have grandchildren that are Fraternal twins - they are a boy and a girl.)

(It's "conception" ... not "contraception"....kind of a Freudian mistake, imo!)


Is that what you're trying to do with your question?? Turn it into a "Christians are wrong about when life begins" thing?? I'm not surprised. I thought you were actually interested in the Judeo-Christian values that surround the founding of our country....silly me.


But, anyway, to answer you, Science is going to take care of this issue very soon, if they haven't done so already. They are able to watch in real time when a sperm meets an egg and how it develops. In fact, the American College of Pediatricians already has declared what they believe:

"ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

It has been recognized for millennia that both a paternal (semen) and a maternal contribution are required for the formation of a new human life. The first recorded embryological reports are in the fifth century B.C. books of Hippocrates, who noted from the study of incubating chicken eggs that the nature of the bird can be likened to that of the man. A century later, Aristotle studied the chick and other embryos but incorrectly thought that they arose from a formless mass of semen combined with menstrual blood. In 1677, Hamm and Leeuwenhoek observed spermatozoa under the microscope, but thought they contained miniature humans. Spallanzani demonstrated in 1775 that both oocyte and sperm were necessary. In 1827, von Baer observed oocytes in the ovarian follicle and in the Fallopian tube and blastocysts in the uterus of a dog.

Finally, it was with the advent of the cell theory developed by Schleiden and Schwann in 1839 that it was recognized that the embryo develops from the single-celled zygote. Directly based upon this observation and the knowledge that the single-celled zygote was alive and an independent being, in 1859 the American Medical Association published a statement strongly opposing a******n, particularly commenting on the independence of the zygote during the time between its formation and its implantation.

Although the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 1965 attempted to redefine “conception” to mean implantation rather than fertilization,4 medical dictionaries and even English language dictionaries both before and after 1966, define “conception” as synonymous with fertilization (sometimes via the intermediary term of “fecundation”). Moore’s 1974 edition of a human embryology textbook states that development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum is fertilized by a sperm and ends at death. It is a process of change and growth that t***sforms the zygote, a single cell, into a multicellular adult human being. Moore’s 2008 edition emphasizes that development does not end at birth but extends into early adulthood.1 Professor Emeritus of Human Embryology of the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Dr. C. Ward Kischer, affirms that “Every human embryologist, worldwide, states that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception).”1 Even authors who philosophically lean towards not attributing the same value to human life at the one-cell stage as they do to later stages of development admit that “As far as human ‘life’ per se, it is, for the most part, uncontroversial among the scientific and philosophical community that life begins at the moment when the genetic information contained in the sperm and ovum combine to form a genetically unique cell.” J.T. Eberl goes on to say – and this is really the debate:
“However, what is controversial is whether this genetically unique cell should be considered a human person.”

Nonetheless, one could sensibly make the case that “personhood” can only exist in a living human being and that the division of these two entities is arbitrary at best.

In the last century, and particularly in the last decades, much more detailed observation has been made of the first 24 hours of the life of a human being. During this time the cell membranes of a sperm and ovum fuse and the first cell division occurs. When during this 24 hours does, a new human life begin? Embryologists are less united on this question. This Statement aims to clarify this issue.

During the first 24 hours, once the sperm and egg bind to each other, the membranes of these two cells fuse, creating in less than a second a single hybrid cell: the zygote, or one-cell embryo. To protect his or her bodily integrity, within minutes the zygote initiates changes in its ionic composition, releasing zinc in a spark that induces “egg activation,” first modifying the surrounding zona pellucida blocking further sperm binding to the cell surface. Cooperation between sperm and egg components to achieve replication of DNA, cell division, and growth occurs as maternally and paternally derived factors in the zygote begin interacting with and chemically modifying each other to initiate the final round of meiotic division in the maternally derived nucleus to enable DNA replication.

Finally, the nuclear membranes of the pronuclei break down (called syngamy—technically, pronuclear membranes). No new nuclear membrane encompassing both pronuclei is formed; rather, mitosis occurs and two cells, each with its own identical nucleus encased in a nuclear membrane, are formed.

Furthermore, studies with mice embryos demonstrate that despite the plasticity of which allows disrupted blastomeres to form an entire organism, ordinarily the polarity of the embryo is determined by the site of sperm penetration. (Evidence from other mammalian species suggests that the same may be true in humans, but does not offer definitive proof).

Some embryologists consider fertilization a day-long process and regard the beginning of human life as occurring near the end of this process at syngamy, whereas others consider the time of cell membrane fusion when the embryo gives evidence of being a different kind of cell than either oocyte or sperm, to be the beginning of a new human life, since within minutes the new embryo acts to prevent the merger of another sperm with itself and starts the business of self-replication. The single-celled embryo is a very different kind of cell than that of sperm or oocyte, and contains a unique genome that will determine most future bodily features and functions of his or her lifetime.

An organism is defined as “(1) a complex structure of interdependent and subordinate elements whose relations and properties are largely determined by their function in the whole, and (2) an individual constituted to carry on the activities of life by means of organs separate in function but mutually dependent: a living being.”

It is clear that from the time of cell fusion, the embryo consists of elements (from both maternal and paternal origin) which function interdependently in a coordinated manner to carry on the function of the development of the human organism. From this definition, the single-celled embryo is not just a cell, but an organism, a living being, a human being.

The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that corroborates that a unique human life starts when the sperm and egg bind to each other in a process of fusion of their respective membranes and a single hybrid cell called a zygote, or one-cell embryo, is created."

As physicians dedicated both to scientific t***h and to the Hippocratic tradition, the College values all human lives equally from the moment of conception (fertilization) until natural death. Consistent with its mission to “enable all children to reach their optimal physical and emotional health and well-being,” the College, therefore, opposes active measures that would prematurely end the life of any child at any stage of development from conception to natural death."

https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins

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I think everyone, including Jews and Christians, will have to eventually come to the same conclusion - that life actually begins when the cell that is formed when the sperm meets the egg begins to grow - when they can see it for themselves. Until then, they will remain, in my opinion, stupid (or is the word really "stubborn") about it.

The hairy legs comment is what Liberal Lily, aka Drue-Marie, aka bluefish,...aka Abbie Hoffman and Kitten Courageous among several more names. She has called herself a "c****e pinko with hairy legs" for a while. She's proud of it....you know...one of those women who have hairy armpits and legs...doesn't shave... She's one of those. By her own admission!😐😬

Stats...again:

States that have no v**er ID laws at all:

Washington
Oregon
California
Nevada
New Mexico
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Pennsylvania
New York
Maryland
New Jersey
Massachusetts
Vermont
Maine
Hawaii

States that require an ID, but without a photograph:

Alaska
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Wyoming
North Dakota
Iowa
Virginia
West Virginia
Connecticut
Delaware

States that require an ID with a photograph:

Idaho
Montana
South Dakota
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Louisiana
Arkansas
Missouri
Wisconsin
Michigan
Indiana
Ohio
Kentucky
Tennessee
Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
South Carolina
North Carolina
Florida
Rhode Island
New Hampshire

Proof: I did not have to show any identification AT ALL - either when I filled out the Registration Form at the V****g Registration Office OR when I went to the polls where my district was and physically v**ed.

NEITHER place asked me for ANY ID.....and when I tried to show them it, they told me it was illegal for them to ask me for my ID and they could be fined and shut down if they did.

Now, pegw, I am not the kind of person who would abuse that system...but I COULD have! I could have gone to five more counties that I live near, filled out registration forms with different names and addresses, and then gone to those five different polling places and v**ed on e******n day in all five of those counties. And if you think everyone in the country thinks that every person v**es only once, then you are living under a rock!

If that's not proof enough that fraud occurs for you, you are going to have to look somewhere else for your proof.

Governor Gavin Newsom of California is allowing i******s to v**e in California's local e******ns. So far it's only CA that has allowed non-citizens to v**e in their local e******ns, but I bet that will all change soon - and by "soon" I mean before next November. And New York City is such a mess that I doubt anyone has any control over what the i******s are doing and not doing there!

If Trump wins, though, he will not only not allow i******s to v**e here....he won't allow them to live here!

The PROOF is myself! I did not have to show an ID here in New York to either r******r to v**e or to v**e on e******n day! NO ONE has to show an ID in those states that have a law that says they cannot ask for an ID. I went to v**e and all I had to do was match the signature I put on the Registration Form when I went to v**e at the polling booth. Anyone can do that...including i******s.

So I'll ask you this, pegw: How many i******s did NOT v**e???

The United States was founded on them. Here are some of the more important ones:

- There is one God. That God is the God introduced to the world by the Hebrew Bible - the source of universal morality.

- The Hebrew Bible (the only Bible Jesus knew and which he frequently cited) introduced the most revolutionary moral idea in history: that there are objective moral t***hs just as there are mathematical and scientific t***hs. Without God as the source of moral standards, there is no moral t***h; there are only moral opinions.

- Because there are moral t***hs, good and evil are the same for all people.

- God - not man, not government, not popular opinion - is the source of our rights. "All men are created equal, they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" declares our Declaration of Independence.

- The world is based on a divine order...or divinely ordained distinctions. Among these divine distinctions are God and man, man and woman, human and animal, good and evil, and the holy and the profane.

- Man is not basically good. Christians talk about "original sin" in referring to man’s sinful nature; Jews cite God Himself in Genesis: "The will of man’s heart is evil from his youth" (Genesis 8:21). They come to the same conclusion: we need God-based rules to keep us from our natural inclination to do evil.

- Both Jews and Christians are aware of how morally dangerous it is to be led by our emotions. Those who reject Judeo-Christian values are far more likely to follow and promote the advice, "If it feels good, do it."

- God gave us the Ten Commandments....the core of both Jewish and Christian values.

- Human beings have free will. In the secular world, there is no free will because all human behavior is attributed to biology and environment. Only a religious world view, because it assumes the existence of a divine soul (something independent of biology and environment) allows for free will.

There is another important aspect to the term "Judeo-Christian." The two religions need each other. Without the Old Testament, there is no New Testament. Virtually every Christian moral principle derives from the Hebrew Bible.

At the same time, Judaism needs Christians. It was Christianity that carried the Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible to the world. This was acknowledged by Maimonides, the greatest Jewish thinker after Moses.

America is the ultimate model of Judeo-Christian values. Our Founders were Christians (some culturally, some doctrinally) who were rooted in the Hebrew Bible. America was founded not to be a replacement of Israel, but a “Second Israel." It is of utmost importance that we keep it that way! God demands it!! If Biden is stupid enough to ignore that, he is putting our country in grave danger....and not just spiritually.

I have a feeling you will laugh and make fun of this. That is why I don't think an explanation about faith to someone like you will mean anything...as I said above: To one without faith, explanation of it is impossible....

Don't you mean -
Sail away 'liberal pinko c****e hairy-legged veggie feminist...descended from rum-runners and moonshiners' ?? .... It's what she calls herself!! LOL!!!

The more they try, the more they look like the damned fools they are!

I bet if they kept his name off the b****t, people would write it in! 😄😄😄

LOL! You "left" OPP 4 times!!!

Kind of like a smoker who has "quit" 4 times??? 😃

I couldn't care less what you think, Penny. You should know that by now.

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And they know that when he does win, he will show everyone that what we're saying about him is true.....things were better when he was President before...and they will be again if he is re-elected!

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"Pr********n H**e" - very GOOD descriptor!!! 😉👍👍👍😄

It's like trying to talk to the class dummy. You would think he would at least check basic facts before he posts, but he just rants on and on like he's talking to the wall!

I think it must be one of those sneaky things the Dems like to do....spread as much lies as they can about Trump, hoping that people will believe at least some of them. People are not buying it, though....look at Trump's numbers!