Not funny. Dumb.

I have agreed with Rumitoid in some other instances, but this time, concerning what “no standing” means in court, RandyBrian is right and Rumitoid is not. I don’t agree with personal put downs, however.

You can always find "alternative facts", in the immortal words of Kellyanne Conway. The AP article below deals with fact (as opposed to alternative) facts:

Surveillance video of ‘suitcases filled with b****ts’ breeds false fraud claims in Georgia
POLITICS
by: The Associated Press
Posted: Dec 4, 2020 / 08:53 PM EST / Updated: Dec 4, 2020 / 08:53 PM EST

AP
ATLANTA (AP) — Surveillance video of b****t processing on e******n night in Atlanta is fueling a false social media narrative of “suitcases filled with b****ts” hidden under a cloth-covered table and tallied without supervision, even as top state officials confirm e******n workers followed standard procedure.

The video showed regular b****t containers on wheels — not suitcases — and both a state investigator and an independent monitor observed counting until it was done for the night, finding no evidence of improper b****ts, state and county officials said on Friday.

That hasn’t stopped President Donald Trump, his campaign, his lawyers and his supporters from sharing the video with false fraud accusations in a spate of Facebook and Twitter posts that have racked up millions of views in less than 24 hours.

Here’s a look at the facts around this v***l video:

CLAIM: Poll workers and partisan observers were told to leave Atlanta’s State Farm Arena on e******n night, but four e******n workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases full of b****ts out from under a table, and scanned them after hours without any supervision.

THE FACTS: The video doesn’t show evidence of fraud, much less the “SMOKING GUN” evidence that Trump’s legal team claims on social media.

No one told observers they had to leave, and both an independent monitor and an investigator oversaw the v**e count, according to state and county officials. Confusion arose when e******n workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning b****ts. But investigators who reviewed the entire surveillance tape confirmed it showed “normal b****t processing,” according to Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state’s office.

The video, which shows clips of surveillance footage from a room where b****ts were counted, began gaining traction online on Thursday after volunteer Trump attorney Jackie Pick presented it for state senators during a hearing at the state Capitol.

Pick claimed it showed a staff member telling partisan observers to leave the facility for the night about 10:30 p.m. After observers were “cleared out,” she said, four e******n workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases of b****ts out from underneath a table, and counted them for two hours with no witnesses present.

Fulton County E******ns Director Richard Barron refuted those claims on Friday, saying in a public meeting that no observers were ever told to leave the facility.

According to Barron, staff members who had been opening and flattening b****ts for scanning started leaving the facility as their duties concluded.

Other e******n workers started to pack up, Sterling told The Associated Press in an interview. They put prepared b****ts back in boxes and away under a table “to close out for the night.” Members of the media and Republican observers began to leave the building too.

Then, the supervisor onsite got a call from Barron, who instructed the team to continue scanning the b****ts that had already been prepared. They pulled the same boxes of b****ts back out, and resumed scanning, Sterling said.

“These aren’t magical b****ts,” Sterling told the AP. “They didn’t show up out of some other room.”

Georgia law § 21-2-408 permits observers to stay in the room the whole time, but doesn’t require it for counting to take place.

After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state e******n board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.

The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.”

The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended.

The president’s team is “intentionally misleading the public about what happened at State Farm Arena on e******n night,” Sterling tweeted Friday. “They had the whole video too and ignored the t***h.”

Your FACT may be one of the "alternative facts" promoted by Kelly Ann Conway. Which would not be logically right. Pillow Man's conspiracy theories mentioned in the Newsweek article below would be an extreme case of wishful thinking.

From Newsweek, April 14 2021

Mike Lindell Says Trump 'Will Be Back in Office in August' Thanks to His V***r F***d Lawsuit
BY JASON LEMON ON 3/29/21 AT 2:47 PM ED


Mike Lindell, the staunchly pro-Trump CEO of MyPillow, insisted in a recent interview that former President Donald Trump will be back in the White House by August.

Like Trump, Lindell continues to promote the baseless conspiracy theory that President Joe Biden and the Democrats "stole" or "r****d" the 2020 e******n. Despite dozens of e******n lawsuits filed by Trump and his supporters in state and federal court, no evidence of widespread fraud has been brought forward to corroborate this extraordinary claim. But in Friday comments on the War Room: P******c podcast, which is hosted by former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, Lindell claimed he has been collecting evidence that will soon be brought before the Supreme Court.

"What I'm talking about Steve is what I have been doing since January 9th. All of the evidence I have, everything that is going to go before the Supreme Court and the e******n of 2020 is going bye-bye," Lindell claimed. "It was an attack by another country—c*******m coming in. I don't know what they're going to do with it after they pull it down but it's going down."


"Donald Trump will be back in office in August," the pro-Trump businessman said, waving his finger at the video camera.

Lindell and other Trump loyalists have claimed since November that they have some elusive evidence of massive v***r f***d in the 2020 e******n. These claims have been rejected in dozens of legal challenges across the country, with judges appointed by Trump and other Republicans pointing out that they lacked merit. Former Attorney General William Barr, who was widely viewed as one of Trump's most loyal and effective Cabinet members, said in early December that there was "no evidence" of fraud that would change the e******n's outcome.

Furthermore the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at the Department of Homeland Security, which was led by a Trump appointee, said in November that the 2020 e******n was the "most secure in American history." The agency added that, "there is no evidence that any v****g system deleted or lost v**es, changed v**es, or was in any way c*********d."

In February, D******n V****g Systems—a company that Lindell has claimed helped rig the e******n—sued the MyPillow CEO for $1.3 billion in a defamation lawsuit. Notably, D******n also sued pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell, who filed a number of groundless and often bizarre e******n challenges. In a court filing, Powell's attorneys have argued that "reasonable people" would not believe her claims.
"Reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process," Powell's attorneys wrote in a recent court filing.

Newsweek reached out to Lindell for comment but did not immediately receive a response.

Encouraging to find one sane, intelligent post among so many unreasoning, nutty conspiracy theories.

Correct. Here's a Newsweek article about quacky Pillow Man and other conspiracy theorists.

From Newsweek, April 14 2021

Mike Lindell Says Trump 'Will Be Back in Office in August' Thanks to His V***r F***d Lawsuit
BY JASON LEMON ON 3/29/21 AT 2:47 PM ED


Mike Lindell, the staunchly pro-Trump CEO of MyPillow, insisted in a recent interview that former President Donald Trump will be back in the White House by August.

Like Trump, Lindell continues to promote the baseless conspiracy theory that President Joe Biden and the Democrats "stole" or "r****d" the 2020 e******n. Despite dozens of e******n lawsuits filed by Trump and his supporters in state and federal court, no evidence of widespread fraud has been brought forward to corroborate this extraordinary claim. But in Friday comments on the War Room: P******c podcast, which is hosted by former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, Lindell claimed he has been collecting evidence that will soon be brought before the Supreme Court.

"What I'm talking about Steve is what I have been doing since January 9th. All of the evidence I have, everything that is going to go before the Supreme Court and the e******n of 2020 is going bye-bye," Lindell claimed. "It was an attack by another country—c*******m coming in. I don't know what they're going to do with it after they pull it down but it's going down."


"Donald Trump will be back in office in August," the pro-Trump businessman said, waving his finger at the video camera.

Lindell and other Trump loyalists have claimed since November that they have some elusive evidence of massive v***r f***d in the 2020 e******n. These claims have been rejected in dozens of legal challenges across the country, with judges appointed by Trump and other Republicans pointing out that they lacked merit. Former Attorney General William Barr, who was widely viewed as one of Trump's most loyal and effective Cabinet members, said in early December that there was "no evidence" of fraud that would change the e******n's outcome.

Furthermore the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at the Department of Homeland Security, which was led by a Trump appointee, said in November that the 2020 e******n was the "most secure in American history." The agency added that, "there is no evidence that any v****g system deleted or lost v**es, changed v**es, or was in any way c*********d."

In February, D******n V****g Systems—a company that Lindell has claimed helped rig the e******n—sued the MyPillow CEO for $1.3 billion in a defamation lawsuit. Notably, D******n also sued pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell, who filed a number of groundless and often bizarre e******n challenges. In a court filing, Powell's attorneys have argued that "reasonable people" would not believe her claims.
"Reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process," Powell's attorneys wrote in a recent court filing.

Newsweek reached out to Lindell for comment but did not immediately receive a response.

Masterful.

Biden was a stutterer as a child. It's very difficult to correct that, but Biden did it to a large extent. Extreme right wingers like to spread the rumor that Biden is mentally incompetent, but the article below, from POLITICO, by Olivia Beavers, quotes REPUBLICAN senators who at least are trying to be fair. The article was very long, so I'm copying only part of it, but you can find it in POLITICO.


MAGA World says Biden's lost it. Republican senators disagree.

Seven GOP senators who’ve met with Biden lately described him as cogent and well-versed on the issues they discussed.
For former President Donald Trump’s GOP allies, President Joe Biden’s recent stumble on the Air Force One stairs was a sign of bigger problems. But Republican senators who’ve met with Biden say the 78-year-old president is just fine, with one describing him as “sharp as a tack.”
Biden’s fitness for office, a longtime fixation among conservatives, is dominating conversations on the right as Trump openly sows doubts about the health of the man who defeated him. One Republican senator recently texted an acquaintance his private suspicions that Biden, the oldest president in history, is mentally unwell. In on-the-record interviews, however, seven GOP senators who’ve met with Biden lately described him as cogent and well-versed on the issues they discussed. And none echoed the warnings many pro-Trump Republicans have issued about Biden amid the chatter about his stair-stepping acumen.

As I wrote in an earlier post, Hillary lies too.

I'm not into long-debunked nutty conspiracy theories, especially those designed to favor a pathological liar such as Trump. If the frivolous claims of fraud had had any merit, Trump would be President right now. It's beyond me how so many millions can support such an obvious con man. He's entertaining, I'll give him that. The "sworn affidavits" were unreliable, largely hearsay not qualified for serious consideration in court. As far as the "suitcases filled with b****ts":

Georgia
NATIONAL NEWS
by: Associated Press
Posted: Dec 4, 2020 / 06:31 PM EST / Updated: Dec 4, 2020 / 06:50 PM ESTATLANTA (AP) — Surveillance video of b****t processing on e******n night in Atlanta is fueling a false social media narrative of “suitcases filled with b****ts” hidden under a cloth-covered table and tallied without supervision, even as top state officials confirm e******n workers followed standard procedure.

The video showed regular b****t containers on wheels — not suitcases — and both a state investigator and an independent monitor observed counting until it was done for the night, finding no evidence of improper b****ts, state and county officials said on Friday.
That hasn’t stopped President Donald Trump, his campaign, his lawyers and his supporters from sharing the video with false fraud accusations in a spate of Facebook and Twitter posts that have racked up millions of views in less than 24 hours.

I said Trump “probably” holds the record. In any case, Hillary lies too.

Kudos, Permafrost. You gave Trump cultists a well-deserved spanking.

Evidence? Or sound and fury signifying nothing?

Your post is full of sound and fury. The problem is that you can get away with claiming v**e f***d outside courts, but courts need to see evidence. Obviously “thousands of sworn affidavits” is not a factual statement, otherwise courts would have considered it. Wh**ever was presented at courts was too unreliable or obviously frivolous so courts could not accept it.

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