I would be interested in, not SEEING these so called pictures, but evidence that they truly exist. I will have to extensively scour the internet for this evidence, again, not the actual pictures of course.

As for those born male "pretending" to identify as female to gain unfair advantage in women's sports The article I found Lia Thomas' women's 100 freestyle times from, you do realize that Lia lost that meet with a time of 52.84, Hardly the unfair advantage everyone is crying about when the best women's 100 freestyle time is 51.71, set by Sarah Sjostrom, a b********l f****e... That is 1.13 BETTER than the time achieved by Lia in the meet Lia lost. The best time in Olympic women's 100 freestyle is 52.70, .14 better than Lia's time... Yeah, maybe not so much to worry about there, but I don't know, I COULD BE wrong though.

All that I am saying is this, perhaps these "boogeymen" that the RW is parading out there to frighten their base may just be nothing more than a smokescreen while they try to determine what platform they can run on that will stoke the base sufficiently well to put them back in power and RW media is quick to pile onto the latest "boogeyman" bandwagon and get the fear mongering into full swing to aid in the distraction. At least research these "boogeymen" before hyping them.

As for "LW media", I do not for a moment argue that there isn't media that may APPEAR to have a "LW bent", perhaps they DO have somewhat of a "LW bent", what I may argue is that they are putting forth articles/stories with KNOWN unt***hs, that do not at least appear to be factual and honest, even if left leaning, at least among MSM outlets. Same goes for SOME RW media, whether considered a MSM outlet or not. Other RW media, Fox, NewsMax and OANN included, they step so far out of line with the t***h that they can ONLY be considered propagandists. Prime example, how about the latest scandal to rock those outlets? The John D****m r****t. All three of the aforementioned RW media outlets were screaming for all to hear how the left were spying on the Trump administration while Trump was in office... That simply wasn't true by any stretch of the imagination and even John Durham himself has come out debunking those lies. IF it were an honest mistake, where are the retractions?

People can say what they like and even I do not put complete faith in ANY media networks, even those under the banner of MSM, LW, RW, center... None, and ESPECIALLY fringe. The plain and simple t***h is that for the most part, MSM tells the fewest fibs and even if they may be reticent to do so, they DO print/broadcast retractions if what they print/broadcast turns out to be false. Of course I do not consider Fox to be under the banner of MSM, they are far too fringe to be considered "Mainstream". Research Fox's history through ANY legitimate source and you will undoubtedly find that they have a well documented history of telling falsehoods. They are in fact embroiled currently in more than one lawsuit that they are destined to lose for defamation, and rightly so.




Note: While I disagree entirely with what RandyBrian is posting, I notice that in the body of my "arguments", I don't appear to be saying that he is wrong directly, at least not for the most part but I have taken notice to his comments in HIS posts such as, "Second and Third. As usual, you present very logical and reasonable arguments.....which support factually wrong conclusions." and "And the fifth paragraph: You are again jumping to nonfactual conclusions. I do not limit myself to RW media.", which both can be construed as personal attacks.

I will admit that in my previous post to him, there is ONE LINE, that MAY have been viewed as a personal attack on him or his beliefs, "You are likely to find that RW media has led you quite astray.". That line is likely what resulted in the former of his two personal attacks on me, admittedly. When you look at what his beliefs are, they appear straight out of RW media. They fall entirely in line with the RW media's favored narratives where t*********rs are involved. They do not appear to conform with reality. The reality IS that someone who truly identifies as, let's say a woman, if they are forced to use the men's room, guess what g****r they likely prefer to sleep with... THAT IS reality. RW media will tell you, that sexual d*****ts are PRETENDING to identify as female to gain access to women's restrooms to, I don't know, get their freak on... While there may be a VERY limited number of perhaps ACTUAL cases of that, the majority of the time, the t*********r wanting to use the restroom IS what they claim to be. Would you prefer 99 guys that identify as a woman standing at urinal troughs among you, your young sons, MAYBE checking out your, or your son's "package" or like 1 "pretender" in a ladies' room where EVERYONE is doing their "bathroom business" in stalls with doors? In the one scenario, they see NOTHING that is even remotely sexually interesting, in the other scenario, they see something that wouldn't interest us but they may decide to stash away in their memory for later in private, that or worse yet, take care of business right there and then, possibly with a young child being turned into an unwitting and unwilling victim. Remember, a b********l m**e that TRULY feels they should have been born female, they likely are attracted to b********l m**es and their g*****lia and SOME may be d*****ts.





Edit:



Everyone should expose themselves to a variety of trustworthy and legitimate outlets




Interesting, you appear to have absolutely no issues with the lies of RW media but take issue with what you claim are the blatant lies of so called "LW media"? I don't know... We might just have to each post examples of media lies and engage in a "fact check off" where we do OUR OWN fact checking, see which media sources come out more t***hful and factual... One thing is for certain, you will NOT like the results.



If only you would. It is quite obvious that you don't even just in the previous quote.

The "KP" you reference in military service is not likely the "KP" referenced by the nut job as is clear by the context in which it is used. Nice try though, trying to insinuate that the nut job served this country where others may not have.



"YOU "move along and NOT sign up".........hahahahahaha!
You have as many sock puppet accounts on OPP as you did on Knitting Paradise.

If you don't want to post under SSDD, spin your rolodex and choose another sock puppet user name. "


"336Robin, SSDD, susanblange, Milosia2, Rumitoid, PeterS, pegw, Canuckus Deploracus, etc."


"Come on Penny......you know you play both sides. You did the exact same thing on KP.
Keep digging that hole."


"You did the same thing on KP. Keep digging that deep hole and you'll meet yourself in "China"."




No, it looks as though they are claiming that there is another site on the internet either named "KP" or that may be commonly referred to as "KP" and that they maybe think I have been on that site and cycling usernames just as they think I am supposedly doing here. IF you had been keeping up with the nut job's posts, you would have known this, though you likely would still deny it.

Again, nice try.

I must have glazed over some "brown britches" thing earlier and considering your apparent unwillingness to have a reasoned and logical discussion, I fail to see a reason to bother with looking back to see what the whole "brown britches" thing is supposed to mean. Most likely some immature comment with no real substantial meaning. I am sure I am not going to miss anything of value by not going back in this conversation nor going forward either.


Good day to you.

I like the fact that you are open to discussing something of this nature rationally and reasonably. I too know people who are t*********r as well as a variety of other "placements" in the L***Q+ community, I accredit my open mindedness and acceptance of how each chooses to live for how I have managed to meet so many in that community. I personally fall entirely outside the L***Q+ community unless/until they include supporters, which they may already...

I noticed that you brought up bathrooms. You DO know that those that identify as male, they tend to be attracted to females and that those that identify as female, they tend to be attracted to males. You should be aware that, that generalization is to the best of my knowledge a certainty. So IF we force b********l f****es to use the ladies' restroom and b********l m**es to use the gentlemen's restrooms we are essentially forcing them to use the restroom with others who they may already be attracted to and possibly "checking out". If your biggest concern is "what if they are prone to potentially rape a child", well, you have just placed them in the restroom they would be most likely to do that in. Please don't construe that as me saying that t*********r people are "sick perverts" or "p*******es", I do not think they are any more prone to perversions than anybody else, and possibly not any less prone either. If you want to "protect the children" from a potential p*******e, don't force a t*********r who is biologically male to use the men's room or biologically female to use the ladies room. That is putting them with their preferred sex partners...

Of course then there is the argument, "What about those that PRETEND to be t*********r to check out the ladies room?". Couldn't those "gentlemen" also dress up and pretend to be ladies? Is that any better?Will we EVER have a 100% fool proof way to keep perverts out of restroom they don't belong in? Sadly the answer is no, but that doesn't change the fact that uptight RWers upset about t*********rs using the bathroom they SHOULD be using due to the g****r they identify as, is just putting t*********rs in the same bathroom as their preferred sex partners. If something is going to make you uncomfortable, THAT should be it.


As for sports, I am sorry, but my attention was drawn to, "How often are we seeing biogirls wanting to be in boy's sports?". Excuse me? We haven't seen over and over and over again where a girl's family tries to sue because their daughter wanted to play a "boys sport" and weren't allowed? Are you unaware of the fact that there is no longer a "Boy Scouts of America"? Boy Scouts of America changed their name to Scouts of America if memory serves correctly due to the fact that girls are now allowed to join "Boy Scouts". You seem to be unaware of the times in which we live.Girls are more likely to want to join "boys sports' than boys are to join "girls sports" if you want to know the t***h. That IS the t***h, and the RW media isn't too eager to talk about that as it destroys their narrative that t*********rism is the root of all our problems today. We just have to wonder what the root will be tomorrow, it is always SOMETHING benign...


Please look further into this whole issue, talk more with actual t*********rs and those knowledgeable in their community. You are likely to find that RW media has led you quite astray. Also verify what I have said about straight girls wanting to join boy's activities from sports to scouts and look to see how much of that kind of thing goes in the opposite direction. There might be a few cases of boys wanting to join Girl Scouts, maybe even a few cases of boys wanting to join a girls softball league, volleyball league, soccer league, but I will bet it is far rarer than vice versa.



I appreciate your willingness to discuss this issue WITHOUT all the vitriol we see so common place here on OPP.

And it WON'T just be the l*****ts and we centrists revolting, the biggest crybabies will be the very same morons that will have created the government "they wanted" crying the loudest. But why my guns? But what happened to my rights and my liberties? Why am I being taxed to death? Why are my loved ones in prison, dead or gone without a trace, just for saying they want their freedoms back? Do they not know where authoritarianism leads? I guess not...

But there IS an upside for them, they WILL be able to say they "owned the libs". Just in so doing they will have "owned" themselves too.




Hey, off on a tangent, any clue what this KP thing is? I won't bother asking the nut job, he isn't likely to tell me.

If you say so.




Edit:

Wow, the paranoia and lunacy we see here on OPP...

Search criteria: Lia Thomas best swim meet times

Result:

https://nypost.com/2022/01/21/penn-swimmer-alleges-lia-thomas-colluded-with-t***s-athlete-to-lose/#:~:text=Thomas%20touched%20the%20wall%20in%2052.84%20seconds%20–,which%20she%20won%20with%20a%20time%20of%201%3A48.73.



Search criteria: What is a median time for the women's 100 freestyle

Result:

https://fansided.com/2021/07/18/freestyle-swimming-womens-world-record-olympics-every-distance/


Search criteria: What is a median time for the Men's 100 freestyle

Result:

https://fansided.com/2021/07/22/freestyle-swimming-mens-world-record-olympics-every-distance/

So far does it look as though I am being fair? Now, please be fair in return.

Do you REALLY think that someone would be so competitive in ANYTHING that they would go through what t*********rs go through in life, just to come out ahead in sports? I haven't "lived it", but I can imagine what they have likely gone through in life. First being the shame I expect that they feel for being "different". Then comes the embarassment of having to "break it" to family and/or friends that you "don't feel like" your birth g****r. After that I suspect many strange looks, a lot of hushed whispers that terminate as you approach, people outright laughing at you, pointing fingers at you, calling you names, picking on you, many fights. Later comes the accusations that you CHOSE mto t*********r as the only way to compete because you "suck at sports"...

Damn... That's a pretty S***** trade off... Do you think competing at sports is worth all that the t*********rs have to go through "just so they can compete unfairly" as you people think? You don't honestly think ANYBODY would go through all that just to have "a leg up" on the competition, do you? Were there no efeminate boys in your school? If there were, how well did they do in sports? Some bous just aren't very masculine, some girls just aren't very feminine, that is just a fact of life. In most cases, they dont alter their g****r and try out for the other g****r's sports teams. That isn't how life goes, most just live their life and move on.

This whole RW "culture war" against t*********rism is pretty much nothing but fearmongering the base into a frenzy to rile them up and get them to the polls to prevent "wokeness" from "taking hold".That is pretty much all it is and nothing more.



Look at Lia Thomas' times, they are much closer to women's times than men's times. Women's best time, 51.71, Lia Thomas' best non-meet time, 49.42, Lia Thomas' time in the meet being reported on 52.84, men's best time, 46.91, Men's best time in the olympics, 47.05. The difference between Lia's BEST and women's best, 2.29, difference between Lia's and men's best, 2.51. Which is the lesser difference and which is the greater difference?

No, if you ask me, Lia had the misfortune of being a baby girl trapped in a baby boy's body at birth and had to endure however many years of being trapped in the wrong body as she did before being able to t***sition. Luckily enough, we are not all so disfortunate. Does she still have the wrong c********es? Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that.


Question, do you know what difference between a boy's body and a girl's body makes the determination how adept the person's body will be at any given sport? Are you aware that there are over the counter hormone boosters available for anybody to use to gain that same advantage? You should also be aware that those looking to t*********r typically try to get onto hormone blockers as early as they can to prevent their body from taking on the g****r traits of their birth g****r and get onto hormone therapy for their preferred g****r as early as they can. That essentially invalidates the argument that they "t*********r in order to gain unfair advantage" as RW media would have you believe. Don't believe the hype, think for yourself. It isn't that hard to see past the h**e and the fearmongering.



I am likely running out of characters so I will leave off here.

Perhaps, but I don't know, I still think "better to be safe, rather than sorry". IF I were posting and saw that there could be some confusion, I would like to think I would be certain to clear up any possible confusion, IF of course I noticed it prior to/while posting.


I actually NEVER HAVE posted regarding my IQ and do not suspect that I ever will. I do not believe in posting my "credentials" online nor do I bring them up in real life either. IF my "credentials" are impressive, it would be considered by most, if not all, to be bragging, IF they aren't, I wouldn't wish to give any of my "detractors" ammunition to use against me... Best not to mention "credentials" at all in my book. Of course that is just MY thoughts.

Actually, yes. NOBODY has EVER suggested that one can change their c********es, but who's business is it if someone chooses to alter their g****r because they identify as other than what they were born as? Does their altering their g****r HARM anyone, other than themselves if you feel that they ARE harming themselves by altering their OWN g****r... If they AREN'T harming anybody, why should you care other than because YOU are h**eful? Pointing out that they can't change their g****r even though t*********rs AREN'T the subject matter of this topic and nobody was talking about t*********rs in this topic, prior to you bringing up the scientific fact that nobody was discussing, that does show a certain level of h**e.

In my eyes, bigoted people ARE essentially sub-human. They certainly AREN'T very evolved humans at the very least. If you feel the need to h**e someone, base it on their OWN words or actions that cause ANY sort of harm to others, not on who or what they are.


As for, "I actually believe I took being referred to as less than human in stride posting my picture as a double amputee- and you posted a joke implying I was dumb enough to poke my eye out with my hook..", I took that picture as a good humor picture, which since it was of a pirate, I posted a joke about a pirate that I thought was funny as a reply. It WASN'T a quip about my perception of your intellect. Why would that assumption even enter your mind? A pirate picture, a pirate joke, that is ALL it was. Sorry to disappoint, I am not QUITE that h**eful. I am actually someone that enjoys a good laugh when there is one to be had.



Bygones?

Yeah, I am CD even though CD despises me. Great call there... As for SusanBlange... Come on now, even I am not that crazy, she seems a bit off her rocker...

I have seen most of those names though I don't recall if Cinner is precisely correct or not... It seems "familiarish" but somehow doesn't seem quite right but then I have been gone for a while, it may be written correctly or perhaps it may be slightly off, I don't know. As for Cuda, is that Barracuda with a shortened name?

What is "gu" and I have seen this name Jelun, I don't recall if they have posted recently or if I have only seen the name in the archives but...

Don't forget defrauding banks, not paying contractors that do work for him, not paying the venues where he holds his rallies, multiple crimes AS POTUS, weaponizing the DOJ against his "enemies", pardons for his cronies, weaponizing his followers, sowing division, sowing distrust in our e*******l system, the latter five "crimes" wreak havoc on trust of our government and cause destabilization within our government, sowing distrust in our legitimate media sources and oh so many more crimes and "crimes", And yet Trumplicans will NEVER believe a bit of it because they don't WANT to believe any of it...


Have you heard, John Durnham is calling out RW media over their DELIBERATELY false claims in regards to his report, https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.235638/gov.uscourts.dcd.235638.35.0_1.pdf. You KNOW these Trumplicans will deny and/or excuse the RW media on their DELIBERATE false claims. Yeah, it is MSM that are the liars... RW media are the ONLY "t***h tellers". I am about fed up with this f**e reality these nut jobs are living in.



As for, "Do let us know, if you can think of anything that will awaken the human inside the shell created by Propaganda."... Yeah right, quit yer dreamin', they are NOT going to "come out of it". They don't WANT TO "come out of it", they REFUSE to "come out of it". Nobody can make them "come out of it". They ENJOY their h**e, the division this country is in. They would prefer to tear "burn this B**** to the ground" and rebuild it as an authoritarian dictatorship with them at the helm. Yet they call everybody ELSE "un-American", "unpatriotic" and anything else that describes them better than those they are labeling as such.

They WILL NOT be happy until/unless they get their way. NOBODY else will be happy if they do and to be honest, they won't be either IF they get their way. Who wants to live under such conditions? Do they NOT realize that IF they get their way, goodbye guns? Authoritarian dictators DO NOT like armed citizenry. Armed citizens may be likely to take up those arms if/when the dictator decides to do something they don't like. How can ANYBODY think they would enjoy living under an authoritarian dictator? What fools they be.


I suspect YOU are likely aware that the GOP is hard at work trying to rig future e******ns through gerrymandering, v**er suppression, getting GOP operatives set in place on e******n boards and positions of power over e******n committees, governorship of as many states as possible, state and federal legislatures, they already have SCOTUS... Democracy here in the U.S. is in SERIOUS jeopardy right now. These next few decades will mean the life or death of what bit of democracy we have left in the U.S., we have to be on our toes. We have to do our best to prevent them from further deteriorating what we have left as protection of our way of life. The American experiment MAY be nearing it's end. I NEVER thought this could or would happen, yet here we are, teetering on the precipice.

Up until your petty attempt at insulting me at the end, that was nearly a mature and enjoyable discourse. And you people whine about the "h**efulness" of the far left, the left, the centrists and anybody that does not agree with you, even those to center right. I postulate that you Trumplicans tend to be the MOST full of h**e. I further speculate that only the Trumplicans will disagree with that statement.

Whether you know it or not, I actually laughed at your last two jokes. Laughter can mend divides if we let it. Insults, whether effective or not, they further division. You haven't seen me being mean when posting to you or replying to you when you are not yourself being h**eful. If others are nice, I am nice, otherwise... Whether we agree on a subject or not, IF mutual respect exists, amicable discourse is possible, when one side is h**eful, the other side MAY be prone to following suit.


Look back at the discourse between you and I.

H**e towards t*********rs: https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-237645-5.html#4024182

My response, I implied that you were sub-human.

After that you seemed much less h**eful and did you notice? I followed suit.

Could there be a pattern there?


There is ALSO a pattern to me breaking off discourse as well. IF I decide that further discourse is unlikely to be of any use, I break off.


You will find, if you care to look, that I MAY BE stubborn, but I am also reasonable and logical.


Can you be and remain reasonable as well? I leave the choice to you.

If you say so.