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Nov 30, 2016 16:02:26   #
permafrost wrote:
A little update on this.. Only minute ago read some more info..

Talks with carrier have gone on for 15 months..

This particular round of talks began last summer. Before Trump was a candadate for office.

Details of the agreement are scarce, and the Indianapolis Star reported overnight that many workers will very likely “still be laid off.”

But for the workers whose jobs appear to have been saved, it’s still unambiguously good news. The president-elect will head to Indiana tomorrow to celebrate the deal, take credit for the negotiations that began earlier this year (long before he even won the Republican nomination), and point to the progress as proof of Trump’s ability to boost American manufacturing.

There is, however, an important catch.

In this case, Trump didn’t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state “incentives” and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay.

That, in and of itself, isn’t especially controversial. Cities, counties, and states do this all the time to keep companies happy before they pick up and go somewhere else. But it’s not the basis for a sustainable, national manufacturing strategy: the Trump administration can’t run around throwing grants and tax breaks at every CEO who’s thinking about moving production jobs out of the country.

Indeed, there’s an Economics 101 problem: if companies are led to believe the government will give them money to stay in the United States, every employer, whether they have outsourcing plans or not, will have a strong incentive to call up the Trump White House and say, “Give us a sweet, taxpayer-financed deal or we’re out of here.”

There is no scenario in which the Republican administration says yes to each of them.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for those Hoosiers who’ll keep their jobs. I also understand the benefits of a political p.r. campaign: Trump will hail himself as a hero for effectively bribing Carrier to only lay off some of its Indianapolis workforce.
A little update on this.. Only minute ago read som... (show quote)


Link please.... you stated talks started 15 months ago yet, it hasn't even been a year that Carrier announced possibly moving to Mexico.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:08:03   #
mongo wrote:
There are eco friendly alternatives. Using hydrogen extracted from water is the one solution the govt. and corporate oil will go to any lengths to cover up. It has been proven time and again that using hydrogen does not leave a smog footprint and the exhaust is water. It reverts back to it's original compound. Pissed me off when mythbusters conducted an experiment on their show about water for power and concluded it a total myth. I knew, at that moment, they had been instructed to fail! I have conducted my own experiments and they sure didn't look like the one on the show, and mine worked. If you want to see for yourself, just take a bucket of water, a car battery(fully charged), attach two one foot lengths of wire to the battery post and drop them into the water. Take a torch and hold it over the water and watch the hydrogen that separates from the oxygen ignite.
Could you imagine how many corporations would crash, if you went further and discovered how to run your car, home, boat, lawnmower, the list goes on and on. I enjoy looking for ways to use alternative energy sources, so I will stop posting before I get carried away!

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You Sir are absolutely correct. The business I am, which I do the programming and integration does the exact thing but adds brine water to make chlorine for water and waste water plants to get rid of the hazardous chlorine gas. The one and only by product of this is Hydrogen. The hydrogen we extract would be costly to clean due to the chlorine and brine molecules in it, but with just water? You are spot on. One has to remember how much money would not make it to the wallets of the fat cats... Follow the money.
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Nov 29, 2016 21:34:32   #
Pennylynn wrote:
I am puzzled.... K**lary and her lawyers are backing the recounts with stein.... but they are blocking a recount in NC.....


Is this truly about a recount? We all know, (or at least those of us smart enough to know) that the outcome will not change. Trump will STILL be President Elect. The fine print on Steins website paints a rosy picture of where the money raised could go. So even if recounts does happen, she is able to use any monies raised for other things. From her website: We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in WI and MI and support the v**er-initiated effort in PA.

If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward e******n integrity efforts and to promote v****g system reform. This is what we did with our surplus in 2004.

Here are the estimated filing fees and deadlines for each state:

Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25
Pennsylvania: $0.5 million by Nov 28
Michigan: $0.6 million by Nov 30
Those are estimated filing fees alone. The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law, which can often be difficult to untangle. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $9-10 million.
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Nov 29, 2016 21:16:28   #
tdsrnest wrote:
Look i***t you have to prove intent Damm you would have to throw everybody in jail. How come Bush is not in jail, he falsified Inteligence reports he had a private email server in the closet at the RNC and deleted 22 million White House Emails. Give me a fuc$king break.


Wrong again T, where do you get this ridiculous notion that intent must be proven to be arrested? Please show me the statutes on this, cuz I am dying to read it.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:06:14   #
PeterS wrote:
No, the accusation is that 3 million i******s and some 4 million dead people v**ed. That doesn't happen by itself and takes sk**l in organizing, implementing, and executing. If you think ignorant individuals are responsible for that than the ignorance is on your end.


Guess you haven't read about truethev**e yet hey? I suggest ya look it up and have a read. I stand by my statement about their intelligence. Escpecially those on the left. To pull the crap they have pulled year after year is not really intelligent is it now? It's plain, outright stupid. Criminals ALWAYS get caught at some point. Yes, there are criminals in the right as well. Do I believe they could have set it up to allow i******s to v**e? You betcha, do zi believe they could have set it up for dead v**es? You betcha (been done before), do I believe they could have set it up for people to be registered in more than 1 state? You betcha. Now if you don't believe it, shows ignorance on your end. I'm sure the right has pulled some crap as well. They are all politicians and in it to win it for themselves, do I put nothing past any of them.
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Nov 29, 2016 18:41:21   #
PeterS wrote:
I think if the democrats are smart enough to get people to v**e illegally they would have been smart enough to place them in areas that insure they would win.


You are giving way to much credit to politicians and their intelligence or lack thereof.
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Nov 29, 2016 18:32:13   #
Welcome 46. You're in for a treat with some of these people. You will figure them out rather quickly.
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Nov 29, 2016 18:25:43   #
Richard94611 wrote:
And he has fooled us all. For you consdertvatives, the news is somewhat bad. He isn't the total conservative you thought he was and that you wanted. For liberals, the new2s is a smidgen (not much) good. He has a few thouights that match ours -- not many, I grant you, but he may come around to reality on some scores, like the dog that chased cars and one-day caught one.

It is clear that he does not intend to be a fulltime president. He wants to engage in his business, which takes up time he should be spending on affairs of state. He has shows just a bit of awareness about c*****e c****e/g****l w*****g. Not much, I grant you, but a tiny bit. He isn't going to prosecute Hillary because he knows he would not win. He has moved in a slightly more progressive direction about the minimum wage. I think he is up from his position that employees are paid too much tro one of advocating that the minimum wage should be $10/hour.

He still lies almost every time he opens his mouth, witness his claim that there were "millions" of fraudulent v**ers. And he is against a recount, for wh**ever reasons.)

You have been fooled, hoodwinked in an incredible fashion. And so, to a lesser degree, have we liberals.
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At least Hillary is not called President-Elect
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Nov 29, 2016 15:14:44   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Remember Clinton deregulation intended to benifit minorities (specifically B***k A******ns ).
Then remember George Bush jr. Going in person to the hill twice begging congress to avoid a major recession and bring back banking regulations. He also drafted multiple letters to Congress (Democrat controlled ).
Remember congress giving George Bush the finger, refusing to change a liberal policy put in place by Bill Clinton.
Remember then the worst ever recession about two and a half years after George Bush begged congress to regurgitate banking.
Remember all the liberals pig piling on conservatives, blaming George Bush for the recession.
I***ts, "the useful i***ts ", ignorant, stupid liberals have an amazing sk**l of "short term memory " and "selective memory ". Pisses me off.
They are incapable of understanding the recession was put into place with "the new deal ", gained traction in 72 with Nixon putting America on a fiat currency, driven off the cliff with the passage of NAFTA, and Clinton's banking deregulation. Then the dems removed the guard rail when refusing to prevent the recession and regulate banking. But the stupidity of the left blames Bush.
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NAILED IT.
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Nov 28, 2016 11:02:32   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
And once again you have proven to be a first class r****d! Clinton was the only president ever to erase the debt and deficit, just 8yrs later GW Bush told the American people that the economy had been devastated and was entering another Great Depression! 4 months later Obama took office and saved the US economy!

GW Bush last economic speech!!!!


http://www.cfr.org/world/bushs-speech-financial-crisis-september-2008/p17284


And Clinton should get in his knees and thank Newt for clearing the debt and creating a surplus.
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Nov 27, 2016 19:22:27   #
Big Bass wrote:
Only a bunch of atrophied-brained i***ts would secede. Quebec threatened to secede from Canada. Nearly all businesses were going to leave Quebec. Quebec would have been bankrupt within a very short time, therefore, be begging to be re-admitted to Canada. What if this had happened, and Canada said "NO, we don't want you."?


I say let them go sooner rather than later and watch them fall flat on their faces. What would they do when China ends up on their shores to take over? Shot them with their sling shots. Let em go. Would be weird to have a third world country right next door.
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Nov 27, 2016 19:18:56   #
kenjay wrote:
C*****e c****e and g****l w*****g are your areas of expertise must suck to be you. You can't prove g****l w*****g either. Antarctic sea has not shrunk in one hundred years. 30,000 scientists say g****l w*****g is a h**x.


They sure are the blind leading the blind with their nonsense. The oceans aren't rising, the earth isn't warming, the CO2 levels aren't rising. Our plants love CO2. It has been proven that earlier temps were changed to lay claim that they are now rising. And these people eat it up like they did when they were spouting that Hillary was going to win big. LOL. I almost feel pity for these people at times.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:58:26   #
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Non essential must mean we don't need them at all. Trim the fat and do better with the money we have.



Exactly Coos, that would be the best start. Then move on to the the Alphabet departments.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:09:57   #
Loki wrote:
T***p w*n Michigan comfortably. It was not that close. If they wanted a squeaker, why not Maine, which Hillary barely carried?Better still, Trump should demand a hand recount in California. The Liberals' aim is to take the three states in question out of the e*******l v**e counting. A demand in California would remove their 55 e*******l v**es which went for Hillary. If the recount is not completed by a certain time, then the House of Representatives will pick between Hillary and Trump. As per the 12th Amendment, they can't just pick anyone. It has to be the top v**e getters. This was done once, in 1825. As I mentioned in another post, with 193 Democrats and 242 Republicans, who do you think will win? Remember, this is a simple majority, not a two thirds. I don't understand why they are bothering, unless it is to show their asses more than they already have.
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Yes Sir, I understand what you've written. I was just getting at the idea that maybe just these three because their c***ting didn't happen there because they figured they had those states in the bag. Yes, would be funny to see re counts done in states she won and/or barely one. I would love nothing more than their criminal activities to be shown to the world. It's rather pathetic they they could not even win while c***ting LOL. It's all a waste of time for sure, funny how Stein came up with all that cash so fast when she couldn't raise half that in all the time she campaigned. As you posted, it's all for nothing. So much for accepting the e******n outcome huh. Funny how the whinning libs were all over Trump when he said he would have to see later if he would accept the outcome or not. Now we got the whiners burning crap up and now the biggest whinner of them all jumping on board with the re-count. Seems as though the Dems always make America looks stupid.
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Nov 27, 2016 14:18:55   #
j.mark wrote:
Did anyone bother to think that Trump really won by a landslide, but the hacked v****g results didn't show that to be so? Now that T***p w*n, more people than ever favor him. You wanna take new v**e? The Clinton FIX failed? Did they think a new legitimate recount might reveal the t***h, that Trump really won by a landslide?
But we all know nothing legitimate will ever come from the corrupt side that we v**ed against and the biased crooked media that sucks up to them. We Americans have all swallowed a lot of e******ns we weren't happy about. Be glad it's America. You can try again in 4 years. Only very shallow minds have a fear of listening to views other than their own. That goes for the corrupt media as well. Real patriotic Americans want to see Trump start instituting the plans we v**ed for. It's done folks. Face it.
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3m i******s v**es, 2m deceased v**es, 3m v**es from people in more than 1 state. That smells like a landslide and the popular v**e to me. Makes one wonder why only these three states were chosen for the re-call, why not everywhere, especially the states they claim she won. Guess don't want the people to know the t***h about what they attempted to do. Sickening and saddening to say the least.
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