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Jul 31, 2016 22:02:56   #


Gosh, you mean you guys finally figured it out? Just think--71/2 years to figure out the obvious.
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Jul 31, 2016 21:55:18   #
mwdegutis wrote:
I'll repeat this for the umpteenth time...

Matthew 24:37-39 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes…”

Eternal Life Through the Blood Of Jesus Christ Is A Free Gift

Geoffrey Grider
Our sins have separated us from a righteous and holy God, but in His Mercy and love towards us He has made a way of escape for all those who seek it.

If you were to die tonight, would you go to Heaven or Hell?

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8,9 (KJV)

Our sins have separated us from a righteous and holy God, but in His Mercy and love towards us He has made a way of escape for all those who seek it. I am talking to you, right here and right now. God has an AMAZING gift for you, it costs you nothing but it caused Him to shed every drop of blood He had so He could purchase it for you. What is it? It’s your salvation.
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” Romans 5: 8-10 (KJV)

There is a penalty for your sins – eternal torment in a place called Hell
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23 (KJV)

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27 (KJV)

Jesus Christ is God’s Provision for Your Sinful Condition.
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” Romans 5:8 (KJV)

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” John 3:16 (KJV)

You Can Be Saved–Right Now. Every Saturday afternoon we go out on the streets in the town where we live, and we preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. Just today, a young man named John stopped to listen. We presented him with the exact same gospel that you are reading right now, and asked him if he knew he was a sinner. He was very honest, he said “yes, I do”. We told him that salvation is not a “magic bullet”, a “get out of jail free card”, or some “30 second prayer” someone gets you to pray. Salvation is a legally-binding t***saction, as the Bible declares, when you the sinner take your sins to a sinless Saviour – Jesus Christ – and you trade your sins for His Righteousness.

Jesus Christ was crucified, died, was buried and rose again on the THIRD DAY according to the Scriptures. He did all that for YOU, to buy your pardon to SET YOU FREE. All you have to do is accept or reject that FREE GIFT. If you reject it, when you die, you will burn forever in a place called Hell. If you accept it, the Bible says the moment you die you will be with Christ in Heaven never to die again. Which one do YOU want?
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)

Pray and ask the Lord, “Lord Jesus, be merciful to me a sinner, and save me. I now, with a repentant heart, receive you as my personal Saviour”.

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” Romans 10:13 (KJV)

“It’s LOVE that constrains us to tell people they are lost and headed for Hell if they don’t know Jesus Christ, not h**e. H**e says nothing.” – Geoffrey Grider

Five simple steps:

1. Admit you are a sinner – Romans 3:23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
2. Understand that as a sinner, you will die – Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
3. Believe that Jesus died on the cross and was raised from the dead to save you from sin and death – Romans 10:9-11; 13 9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. 11 As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.”… 13 For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
4. Receive, in faith through Jesus, his free gift of salvation – Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.
5. Repent by turning from your old life of sin to a new life in Jesus.
I'll repeat this for the umpteenth time... br br ... (show quote)


Which confirms my premise that Justice is not a Christian principle. Thanks MW, you really came in handy here...
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Jul 31, 2016 21:53:22   #
4430 wrote:
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So what escaped you Yosemite? Isn't the same hell reserved everyone who disobeys god--no matter the level of t***sgression?
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Jul 31, 2016 21:37:52   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
The current scientific consensus is that the universe had a beginning. Or did you forget about the big bang? Since God created the universe, according to the Bible, then he also created the physical laws. Scientists tell us that time and space did not exist before the big bang. That begs the question...Where and when did the big bang happen? No matter how much scientists discover, they are constantly reminded that there is a lot more that they don't know. Every discovery raises more questions than it answers. Genetics and micro biology were supposed to answer the questions about life, and where and why it came to be. But the more we discover, the more we realize that the complexity of even the simplest life precludes a naturalistic origin. Do you realize how complex the simplest cell is? Do you also realize that all of the thousands of components inside the cell are required to be in place at the same time in order for life to exist? If just one of them were missing, the cell would die. That means that a natural, gradual evolution of these components is quite impossible. They cannot exist without the cell. The cell cannot exist without them. Catch 22.

Something else to think about. DNA cannot exist without all of the micro machinery of the cell. Mainly proteins. Proteins are created by DNA. Neither one can exist without the other. Think about that.
The current scientific consensus is that the unive... (show quote)

I haven't discounted the big bang. Quantum Mechanics predicts that the universe has no beginning, or end, and that individual universes are but bubbles that are created continually and infinity. You're the one who said to think outside the box--well, not only is this it but Einsteins theory supports it and and it solves the problems presented by dark matter and dark energy. What 'consensus' science supports are theories that solve the most problems at once.

As for the rest, we've been over it all before. You are playing with the same fallacies and I have no desire to play along...
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Jul 31, 2016 14:50:30   #
mwdegutis wrote:
You just think that He must meet YOUR criteria of God and that you're best buds?


Don't you understand Deism or Spiritualism? Not everyone who believes in a higher power believes in a hands on god who has direct knowledge of their existence.
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Jul 31, 2016 14:46:30   #
4430 wrote:
O I fully understand this one but I find it useless to explain something to people who really aren't interested in learning the t***h about the subject !

Minds that are dead set against a subject will do their best to distort anything said and thus the conversation is of no practical use to anyone


The subject of fairness and Justice is central to the founding of our country and even today we argue it everyday. Christian Conservatives insist the principle Christian. If that is the case, how is it Just that someone who is generally good can judged at the same level (receive the same fate) as someone who was the most evil to have ever existed?

I think it a worth while debate--I simply think you have to rational explanation...
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Jul 31, 2016 14:29:34   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
Try thinking outside the box. Are you one of those who assume that the physical universe is all there is? It exists for a reason, you know.Everything has a cause. What caused the universe? And before you come back with that tired old argument about who created God, God does not have to follow the laws that govern our space/time continuum. That's why He's God. Think about it. The law of cause and effect is iron clad. There are no exceptions. Therefore, the universe had a cause for it's existence. No matter how you argue your position, there has to be a first cause for everything. And that cause would have to be eternal...without beginning or end. Now, who fits the bill for that little requirement?
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First, you just stated that god has no creator so you can't sit there and say there has to be a first cause for everything--clearly there doesn't. Second, you haven't explained how a spirit, which has no matter, can both create and manipulate matter. And just how do you know that god doesn't have to obey the laws of nature? Nothing in our universe has been able to escape that fact so far so why would a god? Don't you think you can be a god using the laws of physics? Third, we don't know if the universe has a beginning or just a continuation of something that has always existed. There is more proof for the latter than the former. This of course begs the question, if the universe has always existed why do we need a god to create it or us?
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Jul 30, 2016 23:27:59   #
4430 wrote:
Well given this reply I doubt you would understand so I won't even try !

Oh I'm capable of understanding all sorts of things but I have a feeling you don't understand this on...
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Jul 30, 2016 23:23:44   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
I never said that God was energy. I said He is Spirit. Do you even know the difference? A spirit is immaterial, composed of neither matter or energy. So, genius. Scientists believe that energy has always existed. How is that any different from God having always existed? The only difference I can see is that one of them requires you to adhere to a certain standard of moral behavior, and one doesn't. One of them says that you are a sinner. The other doesn't. Another difference is that one of them loves you. The other doesn't. But that love will not stop God from giving you your eternal reward. You reject Him at the cost of your immortal soul. A few moments of worldly pleasure, vs eternal suffering. Not a very good bargain, is it? You may think I'm wrong. But are you 100 percent sure about that? Perhaps you should do a little research. You wouldn't be the first atheist to change his mind.
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So what is "spirit" made from and how is it capable of processing thought and manipulating matter?
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Jul 30, 2016 13:38:41   #
4430 wrote:
At what point did you make that decision ?


Oh I probably always knew god was a fallacy. It takes time to get over the fear of the unknown but once you do the rest was easy...
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Jul 30, 2016 13:36:26   #
4430 wrote:
Being raised in a Christian home parents will instruct their kids in all manner of things not only about God and the Bible but also in how one must act and not act .

Instruction on how to treat and not to treat other people how it is important to study and get an education and the list goes on and on and it is not indoctrination !

There will be a time when these kids reach the age of accountability that will have to make their own decision as to whether they will follow the instruction given by their parents or other family members to accept Jesus Christ as they personal Lord and Savior and serve him or depart from those instructions and go their own way .

I've heard several parents that believe like you instruct their kids that there is no God and for the most part these kids will more than likely never know the t***h .

One of the main reasons I see in people they would rather live in darkness and enjoy the pleasures of living in Sin rather than strive to live Godly lives as written in the Scriptures with the Lord's help .

Again it's all about choice the lifestyle we chose to live and die by will determine where we will spend all of eternity be it Heaven with God the Father or Hell that is reserved for the wicked for those that chose to reject Gods plan for salvation .
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So if I choose not to believe my fate will be the same as Hitlers? So would you explain how the principle of Justice is Christian!
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Jul 30, 2016 13:15:26   #
Super Dave wrote:
I was raised Christian. But no, my belief was not chosen for me. I choose it myself daily.

Now you please answer my question:

Are you choosing what you believe? Or is someone choosing for you?


My religious beliefs were chosen for me. Atheism I arrived at all by myself.
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Jul 30, 2016 12:47:05   #
lindajoy wrote:
In an absolute, then it explains why we are not perfect....


The nice thing about evolution is that you are never perfect but always evolving so.
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Jul 30, 2016 07:30:20   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
That is OK. Enough i******s will be v****g for Hillary to compensate for your Webb v**e. But then, a Webb v**e is a Hillary v**e.


Oh, not only that but we Democrats like to v**e early and v**e often. You guys simply don't stand a chance....
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Jul 30, 2016 07:28:30   #
slatten49 wrote:
07/25/2016 02:30 pm 14:30:21 | Updated 19 hours ago

Chris Ladd, Former Republican Precinct Committeeman, Illinois

DENNIS VAN TINE/STAR MAX/IPX

Last week, I resigned my position in the York Township Republican Committeemen’s Organization. Below is the letter I sent to the chairman explaining my decision.
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Chairman Cuzzone:

We come together in political parties to magnify our influence. An organized representative institution can give weight to our will in ways we could not accomplish on our own. Working with others gives us power, but at the cost of constant, calculated compromise. No two people will agree on everything. There is no moral purity in politics.

If compromise is the key to healthy politics, how does one respond when compromise descends into complicity? To preserve a sense of our personal moral accountability we must each define boundaries. For those boundaries to have meaning we must have the courage to protect them, even when the cost is high.

Almost 30 years ago as a teenager in Texas, I attended my first county Republican convention. As a college student I met a young Rick Perry, fresh from his conversion to the GOP, as he was launching his first campaign for statewide office. Through Associated Republicans of Texas, I contributed and volunteered for business-friendly Republican state and local candidates.

From his fairy-tale wall to his schoolyard bullying and his flirtation with violent r****ts, Donald Trump offers America a singular narrative: a tale of cowards.

Here in DuPage County, I’ve been a precinct committeeman since 2006. Door to door I’ve canvased my precinct in support of our candidates. Trudging through snow, using a drill to break the frozen ground, I posted signs for candidates on whom I pinned my hopes for better government. Among Illinois Republicans I found an organization that seemed to embody my hopes for the party nationally. Pragmatic, sensible and focused on solid government, it seemed like a GOP Jurassic Park, where the sensible, reliable Republicans of old still roamed the landscape.

At the national level, the delusions necessary to sustain our Cold War coalition were becoming dangerous long before Donald Trump arrived. From tax policy to c*****e c****e, we have found ourselves less at odds with philosophical rivals than with the fundamentals of math, science and objective reality.

The Iraq War, the financial meltdown, the utter failure of supply-side theory, climate denial, and our strange pursuit of theocratic legislation have all been troubling. Yet it seemed that America’s party of commerce, trade, and pragmatism might still have time to sober up. Remaining engaged in the party implied a contribution to that renaissance, an investment in hope. Donald Trump has put an end to that hope.

From his fairy-tale wall to his schoolyard bullying and his flirtation with violent r****ts, Donald Trump offers America a singular narrative: a tale of cowards. Fearful people, convinced of our inadequacy, trembling before a world alight with imaginary threats, crave a demagogue. Neither party has ever elevated to this level a more toxic figure, one that calls forth the darkest elements of our national character.

With three decades invested in the Republican Party, there is a powerful temptation to shrug and soldier on. Despite the bold rhetoric, we all know Trump will lose. Why throw away a great personal investment over one bad nominee? Trump is not merely a poor candidate, but an indictment of our character. Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.

Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.

Watching Ronald Reagan as a boy, I recall how bold it was for him to declare ‘morning again’ in America. In a country menaced by c*******m and burdened by a struggling economy, the audacity of Reagan’s optimism inspired a generation.

Fast-forward to our present leadership and the nature of our dilemma is clear. I watched Paul Ryan speak at Donald Trump’s convention the way a young child watches his father march off to prison. Thousands of Republican figures that loathe Donald Trump, understand the danger he represents, and privately hope he loses, are publicly declaring their support for him. In Illinois our local and state GOP organizations, faced with a choice, have decided on complicity.

Our leaders’ compromise preserves their personal capital at our collective cost. Their refusal to dissent robs all Republicans of moral cover. Evasion and cowardice has prevailed over conscience. We are now, and shall indefinitely remain, the Party of Donald Trump.
I will not contribute my name, my work or my character to an utterly indefensible cause. No sensible adult demands moral purity from a political party, but conscience is meaningless without constraints. A party willing to lend its collective capital to Donald Trump has entered a compromise beyond any credible threshold of legitimacy. There is no redemption in being one of the “good N**is.”

I hereby resign my position as a York Township Republican committeeman. My 30-year tenure as a Republican is over.

Sincerely, Chris Ladd

Postscript: Needless to say, the response to the letter has been stunning and overwhelming. I want to express my gratitude to the people who have shared so many kind thoughts. It was my intention to reply to each of the emails I’ve received, but I was snowed under by late last night and they keep piling up. Some of the warmest regards have come from right here in suburban Chicago. When I posted this letter I was prepared to face some anger here at home from fellow Republicans. Nothing of the kind has materialized. The only official response from the local GOP so far has been support, for which I am immensely grateful. It gives me hope. We may all come out of this debacle in better condition.
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BTW, I will not be v****g for either Trump or Clinton....slatten49
07/25/2016 02:30 pm 14:30:21 | Updated 19 hours ag... (show quote)


Nice post. The problem is, this guy sounded like an 'establishment' supporter and would have been rejected by todays conservatives anyway. It's nice to find there are still some republicans who have some character--it's just too bad they've been rendered irrelevant because they still believe what their party once stood for...
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