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Aug 1, 2016 19:41:44   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
Still dodging the question, I see. Can proteins exist without DNA? It's a simple question. Especially since science has already answered it. They have also answered the question of whether or not DNA can survive without the error checking that proteins provide. The answer to both questions is a resounding no.


A resounding no?

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noun, plural: proteins. (biochemistry) A molecule composed of polymers of amino acids joined together by peptide bonds. It can be distinguished from fats and carbohydrates by containing nitrogen. Other components include carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur, and sometimes phosphorus.

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Every element in a protein exists as a product of supernova which is in turn a product of the universe--a universe that serves no purpose if god exists. Now your saying that the inability of someone with degrees in computer science, math, and business administration to explain how it comes together to form RNA, than DNA, means that somehow a god exists? You are playing the same fallacies over and over. Even if the most talented biochemist can't answer you question it still means nothing don't you get that?

I did a google search on "can proteins exist without DNA" and came up with 87 million hits. If you truly want the answer why don't you take the time to find out. But both you and I know that you don't want an answer You simply want to play with fallacies and anecdotal evidence and say and gee, because you can't think of anything else--plus all your friends agree with you (you do this by blocking any one who disagrees with you)--you assume that god HAS to exist.

That is the prototypical definition of "argument from ignorance." Take some time to read and understand fallacies than go back and examine the questions you are asking.
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Aug 1, 2016 18:59:01   #
QuestGirl wrote:
Doubt he'll settle. I find his arguments sorta kinda senseless with big words. However, I do have one question for you.

Do you believe in more than one universe? Or is ours the only one?


No, I believe in a multiverse with an infinite number of universes. It makes the most sense as a multiverse would be infinite while all the individual universes it produces are finite.

Here is something to think about--at least theoretically, man is capable of creating a universe and one day may do so. If that is the case does that make man a god to any life that might develop in that universe?

I do see ways that a 'creator' can exist. I simply do not see the ability for it, or them, to interact with any life that is created.
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Aug 1, 2016 18:36:53   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
There aren't any.


And you say that based on what--your creationist web sites?
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Aug 1, 2016 18:35:58   #
zillaorange wrote:
hiya singularity ! it's said homo sapiens evolved from apes. can you point out a single t***sitional species between the 2 ?


Here ya go.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo/homo_1.htm
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/new-hominid-species-shows-t***sition-between-apes-humans/

And excuse me Single for jumping in on your response I am sure you can explain much better than me...
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Aug 1, 2016 18:29:32   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
You are mistaken. It's not that we think God did it, because we can't explain it. It is simply that our current understanding says that it's impossible. There is a difference. Can you explain how proteins can exist without DNA? The information required for proteins is encoded in DNA. DNA requires the error checking and correction abilities of proteins in order to exist. This is what's known as a catch 22. One cannot exist without the other. This is the reality of things. The only way they could possibly exist is if they were created at the same time, along with all of the thousands of other amazing micro-machines that exist in every cell. There is no conceivable way that all the different parts of a cell can evolve separately, since they require each other in order to function. And if one is missing, none of the others can do their jobs. Do some research on how cells function. You'll see what I mean. It is a complex dance, with thousands of components, each doing a specific task. Look at how many different proteins there are. Each one is a sequence of amino acids that is folded in three dimensions. If just one fold is incorrect, it does not function. And did you know that there are protein chaperons that help proteins fold properly and correct any mistakes? That's another catch 22. Proteins cannot fold properly without the chaperons. The chaperons, in turn, are also proteins. How is it that the chaperons could exist without proteins? And the proteins cannot exist without the chaperons. For that matter, how do the chaperons know how to do their job in the first place? How can you look at the miracle that is life, and not see a Creator? You can't look at a computer and believe that it is not made by a person. So how can you look at something as complex as the inner workings of a cell and believe that it is the result of chance?
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I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The fact that I can't explain something means nothing nor does my inability to explain something well out of my field mean that god must have done it!!

Here is a reasoned argument for you, though still a fallacy--all that is needed for life to exist in it's current form is a planet, a moon, a sun, and a god to supply everything else. This according to the logic that we are zapped from nothing by a loving god. The rest of the universe serves zero purpose and 99.99999% of it lethal to life itself--save for the fact that every element that makes up our bodies is the product of supernova--not a supernatural god. Now think about that, every element in our bodies is the product of stars. Do you see no conflicts here? According to you we have a god that supposedly creates life and than according to reality we have a universe where EVERY element that makes up life is produced by stars. Is god simply being redundant or are we a product of the natural events of nature? If you were to put down your bible and simply used your mind could you tell me? Without your bible why would you conclude that anything other than the universe is responsible for life? What evidence would you use--a fallacy that you can't explain? If we are going to play with fallacies than we should at least we should play with the ones that make the most sense.

Myself, I'm tired of your little game. You've blocked me from your threads and that's fine with me. Go play with those who will only agree with you and leave the rest of us alone.
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Aug 1, 2016 17:44:09   #
reconreb wrote:
I agree with your post . but our liberty WILL not be Subverted by the left , they have not met their adversary yet !!


1) What do you think you are going to do and 2) what makes you think Trump will do anything to preserve your "liberty?" Trumps already said he intends to let business rape the land so there won't be any public land returned to the states--I know that's one thing "patriots" think their liberty depends you. And 3) you guys are a bunch of pussies. You run your mouths and than when we expect something to happen you pussies hide behind your computers making even more threat. Well fuck you. If you are going to do something do it. Just give me a heads up when you do so I can invest in body bag companies. I'll make a fortune on containers to cart off your miserable corpses...
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Aug 1, 2016 17:30:39   #
eagleye13 wrote:
The “REAL” Melania Trump
http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/the-real-melania-trump/

Some will NOT read this. Some will discount it as Trump campaign blather. Some will simply not care .
My old goat’s advice……..
at least look at the pictures!
Melania is widely recognized as Donald Trump’s “Trophy Wife.” But there’s a side of Mrs. Trump most people have yet to see – until now.
Despite being married to the most controversial p**********l candidate in American history, Melania Trump remains an enigma.
The mystery that comes with her reserved personality makes Melania an easy target for liberals as articles labeling her as a “mannequin” and condemning her silence are published daily.
Although the famous former model seems to have it all, Melania’s testimony tells the story of someone who’s struggled against all odds – and overcame….
The “REAL” Melania Trump br http://republicbroadc... (show quote)


Who's labeled her a "mannequin" and where are articles published daily condemning her? I feel sorry for her--when you see her standing there you don't know if she has nothing to say or isn't allowed to say anything--you don't know...
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Aug 1, 2016 00:32:02   #
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Look for the narcissist. The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But wh**ever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the s***es; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430187/william-f-buckley-donald-trump-demagoguery-cigar-aficionado
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Jul 31, 2016 23:08:56   #
mwdegutis wrote:
If you're old enough to remember...Paul Harvey, page 2...

Donald Trump & RNC Top Hillary Clinton & Final Night Of DNC In Viewers

Dominic Patten ~ July 29, 2016
AP (UPDATED WITH FINAL NUMBERS): It looks like Donald Trump is going to take the lead over Hillary Clinton this e******n – at least when it comes to how many people watched the last night of the Republican National Convention and how many watched the last night of the Democratic National Convention.

With figures in from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC, the ex-Secretary of State’s historic acceptance speech as the first woman to be the P**********l nominee for a major American political party drew 27.8 million viewers. That 10 PM – 11:40 PM ET coverage is down 2.4 million from what Trump and the RNC got on the same outlets on July 21 from 10 – 11:45 PM ET.

Or to put that in percentile perspective, last night’s DNC numbers on the broadcasters and top cable news outlets saw an 8 percent dip in total viewers from what the RNC snagged the week before.

When you add the coverage on Fox Business Network, CNBC, Univision and NBC Universo, the RNC figure goes up to 32.2 million. With all the numbers in from all the outlets, including PBS, the last night of the 2016 DNC had 33.3 million viewers to the RNC closing night’s 34.9 million. Which means Donald Trump’s speech of July 21 beat Hillary Clinton’s of last night by 5 percent in total eyeballs)

Now all those numbers are likely to look like small change when Clinton and Trump face off in their first head-to-head debate of the e******n on September 26 at Hofstra University. The two will meet up two more times on October 9 in St. Louis and on October 19 in Las Vegas. I’m not much of a betting man, but with ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FNC and MSNBC, not to mention the always reliable C-SPAN, covering the encounters, expect the ratings bank to break.
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My wife and I watched all nights of both conventions. Most of the conservatives I know couldn't stomach watching Hillary. The difference in viewership is simply because conservatives vomit anytime they think of Hillary...
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Jul 31, 2016 22:48:58   #
4430 wrote:
Yes Hell is the same for everyone that refuses to accept God and the way out he has provided to avoid Hell .


So if Hitler accepted the way out god provided he would be in heaven with you and all other rational people would be in hell?
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Jul 31, 2016 22:43:01   #
kenjay wrote:
H**e and r****m is the platform the democrats have used since Andrew Jackson. You know s***ery,Jim Crow,lynching,the KKK and v****g against every civil rights book. DJ B***h still poster boy for r****ds.


Thanks for reminding us we once had conservatives. Thank god they all moved over to your party. Enjoy...
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Jul 31, 2016 22:41:47   #
SalMarDib wrote:
Richard Nixon committed political suicide. He bugged the DNC at the Watergate Hotel and was caught. He then tried to erase phone records from the White House proving he was involved. Republicans at the time recognized it for what it was. I'm sure they said something like "tricky Dickie you resign and will put Ford in there."
Fast forward to today. Mrs. Clinton has state secrets on her unsecured computer. She deletes 30,000 emails after they were subpoenaed. And she lies to investigators during the investigation. The Democrats of today don't see that as political suicide. Interesting how things have changed.
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Well that should be good for you. Are you doing your little happy dance?
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Jul 31, 2016 22:36:40   #
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
What fallacies would that be? And you failed to address what I actually posted, let alone try to refute it. Are you saying that Proteins can exist without DNA? Can DNA exist without proteins? You have failed to address that. Neither one can exist without the other. How do you explain this?


The fallacy is that you seem to think that complexity and the inability to explain something automatically defaults to a god. It doesn't, it simply means that something is complex and at the current time lacks complete explanation--nothing more.

This is called an argument from ignorance and you use it continually in your arguments. I've explained it before and I see no reason to go over it again.

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The Argument

"The Argument from Ignorance stems from the observation that there are natural phenomena, such as gravity, dark matter, etc, which science as yet cannot fully explain. It concludes that this ignorance is, in itself, evidence for the existence of God.

It is sometimes known as the “God of the Gaps” Argument because it views God as existing in the "gaps" or aspects of reality that are currently unexplained by scientific knowledge."


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If you can't get it you can't get it. I suggest we move on...
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Jul 31, 2016 22:25:31   #
QuestGirl wrote:
I think the fence post confuses Little Ball of H**e while oscillating on her fence. Seems to believe she has classified clearance too, but no clue as to grade. Just an observation from her posts, imho.


Well, if he finds Hillary's e-mails than he is cleared to read them. Welcome to OPP, nice to have you on board...
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Jul 31, 2016 22:20:17   #
rumitoid wrote:
1. Guns Don’t K**l People, People K**l People

2. Criminals Don’t Obey Gun Laws, Only Law-Abiding Citizens Do

3. Any Gun Control Is a Slippery Slope to Confiscation

Your mission, should you accept, is to show how truly vacuous (dumb) these arguments are. If those arguments are part or center to your arguments for guns, do a little Devil's Advocate on your beliefs, truly test them, by probing thought and research that counters these assumptions. However, if you are not inclined in the least to question your support of guns that partially or completely rest on the above three points, for wh**ever reason (such as, a liberal trick meant to undermine the 2nd Amendment), you are not being honest. T***h demands inquiry and fearless inquiry. To question deeply and open-mindedly is the love of t***h, and freedom as well. It is not being disloyal. It is not being rebellious. It is not even being doubtful. Wonder and curiosity in every part of our lives should be welcomed. We look and we look deeper and we look deeper. We need not fear what we find in such a search but rejoice in wh**ever is thus discovered.
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1) People with guns k**l people

2) Speeders don't obey speeding laws but that isn't a reason to abandon them.

3) If we wanted to confiscate everyone's guns it wouldn't be gun control but elimination which would be against our constitution...

And you are wrong about the last--conservatives thrive on fear. If you took it away from them they would turn to dust and be blown away...
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