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Jun 28, 2019 19:14:11   #
Zemirah wrote:
It's pretty well a "believe who you will" situation online. Personally, I believe He who spoke first:

"As long as the earth remains, there will be planting and harvest, cold and heat; winter and summer, day and night. As long as the world exists, there will be a time for planting and a time for harvest. There will always be cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night." (Genesis 8:22)


Everyone on line has their critics and their own bias, including Media Bias Fact Check:


Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest?

By James D Agresti
April 24, 2017

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/media-bias-fact-check-incompetent-or-dishonest/



Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
Overall, we rate RationalWiki Left-Center biased based on use of loaded language against conservatives and High for factual reporting due to pro-science reporting coupled with proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.
It's pretty well a "believe who you will"... (show quote)


Interesting, to prove that Media Bias/Fact Check is inaccurate in their review of the website, you post a link to an article that proves that Media Bias/Fact Check gave a legitimate assessment of that website. The article you linked to has the title "Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest?", loaded words showing bias against MB/FC.

MB/FC review of Just Facts Daily:

Media Bias/Fact Check wrote:
RIGHT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Right-Center sources.

In summary, this is a factual website from a sourcing standpoint and impressively researched. It does however convey a right leaning bias through story se******n that is more favorable toward conservative causes and more negative toward liberal policy.
Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180
RIGHT-CENTER BIAS br These media sources are sligh... (show quote)


Good job proving that they reviewed the site correctly.

As for your posting:

Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
Overall, we rate RationalWiki Left-Center biased based on use of loaded language against conservatives and High for factual reporting due to pro-science reporting coupled with proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.


Your point is? Personally I think "High for factual reporting due to pro-science reporting coupled with proper sourcing and a clean fact check record." says it all. What is not to like about facts?

While I do admit, it would be better if they didn't utilize "loaded language against conservatives", as long as they are factually correct, I can overlook that minor flaw.
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Jun 28, 2019 17:53:47   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
So you prefer the unbiased views of CNN and MSNBC? LOLOL!!

Debunk his article.


Sorry, I don't have time to read trash. I love how you immediately assume that I watch CNN and MSNBC especially since I don't watch ANY cable news. About what we can expect from you, asinine assumptions, not based on any fact.
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Jun 28, 2019 17:49:23   #
debeda wrote:
EXCELLENT, factual report ACP. Thanks for sharing.


Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
Overall, we rate CIS a questionable source based on publishing misleading information (propaganda) regarding immigration, as well as ties either directly or indirectly to the John Tanton Network, who is a known White Nationalist.


Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

Wikipedia wrote:
The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank.[3][4] It favors lower immigration numbers, and produces research to further those views.[5][6][7][8]

Founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR),[3] the center's self-described mission is to provide immigration policymakers, the academic community, news media, and concerned citizens with reliable information about the social, economic, environmental, security, and fiscal consequences of legal and i*****l i*********n into the United States.[9] CIS is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations that John Tanton helped found.[3][10][11]

Reports published by CIS have been disputed or analyzed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers such as PolitiFact, FactCheck.Org, Snopes, media outlets such as Washington Post, CNN and NBC News, and immigration-research organizations. The organization has "significant influence in the White House"[12], and is cited by members of the Trump administration to defend his immigration policies.[13][14][15] The Southern Poverty Law Center said in 2016 that CIS is a h**e group. According to the SPLC, CIS also has ties to the American nativist movement.[16][17][18] CIS has said that the allegation is false and, in 2019, filed a lawsuit against the SPLC over the question.[19][20]
The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an ant... (show quote)


Wikipedia wrote:
FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the "puppeteer" of the nativist movement and a man with deep r****t roots ... CIS was conceived by Tanton and began life as a program of FAIR. CIS presents itself as a scholarly think tank that produces serious immigration studies meant to serve "the broad national interest." But the reality is that CIS has never found any aspect of immigration that it liked, and it has frequently manipulated data to achieve the results it seeks.
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Wikipedia wrote:
Controversial reports
The Center for Immigration Studies has been criticized for publishing reports deemed to be misleading and using poor methodology by scholars on immigration (such as the authors of the National Academies of Sciences 2016 report on immigration); by think tanks such as the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the Cato Institute,[70] Urban Institute[71] and Center for American Progress; fact-checkers such as FactCheck.Org, PolitiFact, Washington Post, Snopes and NBC News; and by immigration-research organizations (such as Migration Policy Institute and the Immigration Policy Center[72].
Controversial reports br The Center for Immigratio... (show quote)


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

Wikipedia wrote:
Political advocacy
Tanton is a proponent of immigration reduction to the United States.[4] He is the founder and patron of many anti-immigration non-profit organizations.[5] He founded Petoskey chapters of the Sierra Club and Planned Parenthood and, for a time, became the national president of Zero Population Growth. Unable to secure support from colleges, in 1979, he founded the non-profit Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) with early support from Warren Buffett and Eugene McCarthy.[4] By 1983, he co-founded U.S. English.[6][7]

Additionally, Tanton co-founded and has been heavily involved in the American Immigration Control Foundation, American Patrol/Voices of Citizens Together, Californians for Population Stabilization, and ProjectUSA. Donations flow through U.S. Inc.,[8][9] which also supports Scenic Michigan, the International Dark-Sky Association, the Foreign Policy Association's Great Decisions Series, and the Harbor Springs chapter of the North Country Trail Association. Tanton serves on the Board of Population-Environment Balance.[10]

Tanton founded the Social Contract Press in 1990. He serves as its publisher. Additionally, he has been the editor-in-chief of its journal, The Social Contract, since 1998.[11]

Promotion of eugenics
According to CNN, Tanton "has openly embraced eugenics, the science of improving the genetic quality of the human population by encouraging selective breeding and at times, advocating for the sterilization of genetically undesirable groups."[12] Tanton wrote a paper in 1975 arguing for "passive eugenics" whereby child-bearing would be restricted to those between the ages of 20 and 35.[13] He also founded the pro-eugenics organization, the Society for Genetic Education (SAGE).[13]

Opposition to immigration
According to Rafael Bernal of the Hill, Tanton's opposition to immigration is " on the grounds of population reduction and protection of an ethnic white majority".[14] According to the New York Times, Tanton has over time increasingly made his case against immigration in "racial terms".[15] According to the New York Times, Tanton has also said "One of my prime concerns is about the decline of folks who look like you and me ... for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."[15]

Resignation from U.S. English
In 1988, shortly before a referendum in Arizona to make English the state's official language, a private memo written by Tanton was leaked to the media. In this memo, he expressed concerns about the potential political, cultural, environmental, and demographic impacts of continued high levels of Hispanic immigration into the U.S., especially if the Hispanic fertility rate remained higher than that of other ethnic groups. He ended by calling for limiting the flow of immigrants to a rate that would enable them to be assimilated. However, several of his questions and statements were provocative, such as: "Will Latin American migrants bring with them the tradition of the mordida (bribe), the lack of involvement in public affairs, etc.?", "What are the differences in educability between Hispanics (with their 50% dropout rate) and Asiatics (with their excellent school records and long tradition of scholarship)?", and "On the demographic point: perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down!"[16]

After the media published the memo, several prominent members of U.S. English cut their ties with the organization, including advisory board member Walter Cronkite and its executive director Linda Chavez, a prominent conservative Republican columnist.[17] Tanton himself eventually resigned, although he complained that he had been smeared as a r****t.[18]

Funding of FAIR
Under Tanton's leadership FAIR was criticized for taking funding for many years from the Pioneer Fund, a non-profit foundation dedicated to "improving the character of the American people" by, among other things, promoting the practice of eugenics, or selective breeding.[17] FAIR responded to this criticism by asserting that the Pioneer Fund clearly states that it supports equal opportunity for all Americans, regardless of race, religion, national origin, or ethnicity; that other major organizations, including universities in the United States and other countries, have also accepted grants from the Fund;[19] and that the Pioneer Fund's contributions to FAIR were used only for the general operation of the organization.[20]

Southern Poverty Law Center criticism
Both FAIR and Social Contract Press are designated as h**e groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).[21][22] In 2001, the SPLC included these groups, and Tanton, in a list of inter-connected network of anti-immigration groups which espouse bigotry, either openly, or thinly disguised.[23]

In February 2009, the SPLC again described his views as r****t.[24] Tanton's environmentalist and anti-immigration activities are well-documented in 15 file boxes of archives he donated to the Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan. Another 10 file boxes are sealed until 2035.[25][26] A February 2009 Southern Poverty Law Center report examined Tanton's written correspondence[26] highlighted alleged connections between Tanton's anti-immigration efforts and w***e s*********t, neo-N**i and pro-eugenics leaders. The introduction to the report read:

FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the "puppeteer" of the nativist movement and a man with deep r****t roots. As the first article in this report shows, Tanton has for decades been at the heart of the white nationalist scene. He has met with leading w***e s*********ts and associated closely with the leaders of a eugenicist foundation once described by a leading newspaper as a "neo-N**i organization." He has made a series of r****t statements about Latinos and worried that they were outbreeding w****s. At one point, he wrote candidly that to maintain American culture, "a European-American majority" is required.[25]

US, Inc. has responded to this criticism by stating that the SPLC took Tanton's quote out of context, and strongly denying that he is a r****t.[27][28][29]
Political advocacy br Tanton is a proponent of imm... (show quote)


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton

Source Watch wrote:
The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a think tank that, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), has "been part of a broad-based and well-planned effort to attack immigration in all forms" even though it now seeks -- and has largely attained -- more mainstream credentials.[1] It bills itself as an "independent, non-partisan, non-profit research organization"[2] and testified before Congress almost 100 times between 1995 and 2009.[1] According to its website, CIS is "the nation's only think tank dev**ed exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States." CIS states that its vision of America is "pro-immigrant, low-immigration," seeking "fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted."[2] But according to the SPLC, "the reality is that CIS has never found any aspect of immigration that it liked."[1] CIS is part of the John Tanton Network, the anti-immigrant "empire of organizations" created by, or connected to, population-control advocate and nativist John Tanton.
The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a thin... (show quote)


Source Watch wrote:
FAIR and the John Tanton Network
According to People for the American Way, CIS "was founded as a think tank to support the more activist work of the anti-immigrant Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)."[4] Together with FAIR, and several other anti-immigration organizations (such as NumbersUSA, etc.), CIS forms part of what has been dubbed the John Tanton Network, which has worked to enact restrictive i*********n l*ws and against broader immigration reform.[5][6]

Lobbying Against the 2013 Immigration Reform Bill
In 2013, CIS played a major role in fighting the immigration reform bill, part of a proposal introduced by a bipartisan group of senators in January.[6] CIS has received over $6 million in donations from the anti-immigration group called the Colcom Foundation, started by Cordelia Scaife May, a close friend of John Tanton and sister to Richard Scaife of the right-wing Scaife Foundations.[6] Executive Direction Mark Krikorian appeared in Congress to testify against the bill, claiming that "virtually all i*****l a***ns are guilty of multiple felonies" -- quite the example of CIS' "pro-immigrant" vision.[6]
FAIR and the John Tanton Network br According to P... (show quote)


Source: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h**e/extremist-files/group/center-immigration-studies
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Jun 28, 2019 02:54:50   #
Seth wrote:
The entire anthropogenic c*****e c****e h**x has been fixed permanently in the minds of so many the same way so much other l*****t disinformation is.

I ran across this article today at American Thinker in which I believe the writer hits the nail right on the head for c*****e c****e and more:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/america_talked_out_of_liberty.html

This would easily explain why so many so-called "progressives" and others are duped by the left on so many levels.
The entire anthropogenic c*****e c****e h**x has b... (show quote)


Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
Overall, we rate the American Thinker, Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracy theories/p***********e, use of poor sources and failed fact checks.




https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Thinker

http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2014/01/25/american-thinkers-credibility-is-dissipating-quickly/

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Thinker



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RationalWiki

Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
Overall, we rate RationalWiki Left-Center biased based on use of loaded language against conservatives and High for factual reporting due to pro-science reporting coupled with proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.


Wikipedia wrote:
SourceWatch
CMD hosts the wiki SourceWatch.[28] According to the project's website, it "aims to produce a directory of public relations firms, think tanks, industry-funded organizations and industry-friendly experts that work to influence public opinion and public policy on behalf of corporations, governments and special interest groups."[29] CMD sets the editorial and security policies under which SourceWatch operates.[29][30] Unlike Wikipedia, SourceWatch does not require a "neutral point of view."[31]

From 2006 to 2009, SourceWatch hosted Congresspedia, a wiki that was funded by the Sunlight Foundation and intended to document the activities of the United States Congress.[32]
SourceWatch br CMD hosts the wiki SourceWatch. 28 ... (show quote)


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Media_and_Democracy#SourceWatch

Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
LEFT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story se******n and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Left Bias sources.

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Notes: SourceWatch is a Wiki that aims to produce a directory of public relations firms, think tanks, industry-funded organizations and industry-friendly experts that work to influence public opinion and public policy on behalf of corporations, governments and special interest groups. SourceWatch’s reporting always tends to favor liberals. They do however, source their content and are considered factual. (8/15/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 10/21/2017)
LEFT BIAS br These media sources are moderately to... (show quote)
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Jun 28, 2019 00:28:45   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/#4d7fad7e4dcf


article author credentials (located at end of the opinion piece) wrote:
Peter Ferrara Contributor
I am Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Heartland Institute, Senior Advisor for Entitlement Reform and Budget Policy at the National Tax Limitation Foundation, General Counsel for the American Civil Rights Union, and Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis. I served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush. I am a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard Law School, and the author most recently of America's Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb (New York: Harper Collins, 2011). I write about new, cutting edge ideas regarding public policy, particularly concerning economics.
Peter Ferrara Contributor br I am Director of Enti... (show quote)


Media Bias Fact Check wrote:
Overall, we rate the Heartland Institute Right Biased and Questionable based on promotion of anti-science propaganda, lack of t***sparency with funding, and more than 5 failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.


Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heartland-institute/



Wikipedia wrote:
2012 documents incident
On February 14, 2012, the g****l w*****g blog DeSmogBlog published more than one hundred pages of Heartland documents said to be from the Institute. Heartland acknowledged that some internal documents had been stolen,[125] but said that one, the "Climate Strategy memo", was forged to discredit Heartland.[128][129][130]

The documents were initially anonymously sourced, but later found to have been obtained by climate scientist Peter Gleick.[130][131] The documents included a fundraising plan, board of directors meeting minutes, and the organization's 2012 budget.[132][133] The documents were analyzed by major media, including The New York Times, The Guardian, United Press International and the Associated Press. Donors to the Institute included the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, Microsoft, General Motors, Comcast, Reynolds American, Philip Morris, Amgen, Bayer, GlaxoSmithKline, P****r and Eli Lilly, liquor companies, and an anonymous donor who had given $13 million over the past five years.

The documents contained details of payments to support climate skeptics and their programs, namely the founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), physicist Fred Singer ($5,000 plus expenses per month), geologist Robert M. Carter ($1,667 per month) and $90,000 to blogger and former meteorologist Anthony Watts. The documents also revealed the Institute's plan to develop curriculum materials to be provided to teachers in the United States to promote climate skepticism, plans confirmed by the Associated Press.[115][125][134][135][136][137] The documents also disclosed Heartland's $612,000 plan to support Wisconsin Act 10 and to influence the Wisconsin's recall e******ns called "Operation Angry Badger."[125][138] Carter and Watts confirmed receiving payments.[135]

Several environmental organizations called on General Motors and Microsoft to sever their ties with Heartland. Climate scientists called on Heartland to "recognise how its attacks on science and scientists have poisoned the debate about c*****e c****e policy."[28]

Gleick described his actions in obtaining the documents as "a serious lapse of my own and professional judgment and ethics" and said that he "deeply regret[ted his] own actions in this case". He stated that "My judgment was blinded by my frustration with the ongoing efforts—often anonymous, well-funded, and coordinated—to attack climate science and scientists and prevent this debate, and by the lack of t***sparency of the organizations involved."[139] On February 24 he wrote to the board of the Pacific Institute requesting a "temporary short-term leave of absence" from the Institute.[140][141] The Board of Directors stated it was "deeply concerned regarding recent events" involving Gleick and the Heartland documents, and appointed a new Acting Executive Director on February 27.[142] Gleick was later reinstated to the Pacific Institute after an investigation found Gleick did not forge any documents, and he apologized for using deception to get the documents.
2012 documents incident br On February 14, 2012, t... (show quote)


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute#2012_documents_incident



http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2013/09/09/heartland-institute-nipcc-fail-the-credibility-test/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate

https://sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute

https://homelesscrisisinsfcompanies.tech.blog/2019/03/19/assessing-the-heartland-institute-and-its-credibility/

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/climatesciencewatch-com-heartland-institute-and-its-nipcc-report-fail-the-credibility-test-september-9-2013/



In the interest of fairness I was going to include the following two links but they fail to open.


https://www.heartland.org/about-us/reply-to-critics/index.html

https://www.heartland.org/about-us/what-theyre-saying/index.html



It would seem that Heartland Institute ISN'T trustworthy nor would I think it's faculty, of which Peter Ferrara, the Author of the Piece OP has presented published in Forbes' Opinion section, is one such faculty member.


Bonus information, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ferrara.



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Jun 27, 2019 13:28:50   #
elcobre wrote:
Why do most Cubans still support and praise a c*******t government created by Fidel Castro?

A government that has destroyed the Cuban economy for more than 60 years!

A government that has turned the Cuban people into s***es of an ideology that is a LIE!

A government that has done away with almost all good traditions!

Moral values have gone to the floor especially when there is a total adversity against religion, because spiritual values go against the c*******t ideology!

A government that I can only give credit for ending the joy of Cubans, because Cubans don’t laugh as before!

Cubans lost their music! Carnivals! Traditional New Year's parties!

Many Cubans will deny it, because they did not live through that period of constant creation in music, because there was no fear of being accused of an anti-c*******t creation, nor did they live a true carnival, where the music and the joy and quality of the party in Santiago de Cuba it was only surpassed by the carnivals of Rio de Janeiro, in Brazil.

Many Cubans, or perhaps most of them will deny it, nevertheless demonstrate with their actions their admiration for a murderer and a liar; Fidel Castro.

They show with their actions as they come here to look for dollars instead of freedom, because I repeat, most support another liar and charlatan like Mr. Obama is!

And they identify themselves with an ideology that is far from being what they indicate or suggest they are; Democrats, because the Democratic Party of the United States is far from what it was in the past and now openly embrace the ideas of Marxism and socialism.

Well, maybe to understand what is incomprehensible, we just have to look at what has happened in Venezuela and what is happening in this great country, the United States, to which socialists want to change (destroy) however, most people don’t see it that way.

Then, we must recognize that the socialist propaganda, the great LIE, where they offer you everything for FREE, where everyone has the right to everything, however it is all a big lie, because ..

Everyone ends up having nothing, because they lose everything, including freedom! Because they become s***es of socialism, however, the lies of socialism and c*******m continue to advance.

The forces of evil are winning over good, but ... maybe there is hope, because it is possible that ...

Mr. Trump will change the path of the destruction of this country, and win again in 2020, and achieve the recovery of good over evil!

Thank you,
Héctor Bayate
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Yes, because the crippling sanctions imposed on Cuba had no part in destroying their economy.
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Jun 27, 2019 13:06:48   #
MR Mister wrote:
Short and to the point!

This is very interesting.

How many coal plants are there in the world?

The EU has 468, building 27 more... Total 495

Turkey has 56, building 93 more... Total 149

South Africa has 79, building 24 more... Total 103

India has 589, building 446 more... Total 1036

The Philippines has 19, building 60 more... Total

South Korea has 58, building 26 more... Total 84

Japan has 90, building 45 more... Total 135

China has 2363, building 1171 more... Total 3534

That's 5,615 projected coal-powered plants in 8 countries.

The USA has 15, building 0 more... Total 15

And Democrat politicians with their "green new deal" now want to shut down

those 15 plants in order to "save" the planet!!??

Let me add that the USA is 5% of the world population, how much will it save?
And you are watching 25 people running for President that can not understand this!!!
Short and to the point! br br This is very inter... (show quote)


Lie busted in just 4 of the U.S.'s smallest states, nice try though.




New Hampshire: 2


M
Merrimack Station
S
Schiller Station

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Existing_coal_plants_in_New_Hampshire




Massachusettes: 7


B
Brayton Point power station
C
User:Vegetarian
I
Indian Orchard Station
M
Mount Tom Station
S
Saint-Gobain Norton Power Plant
Salem Harbor Station
Somerset Power Generating Station

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Existing_coal_plants_in_Massachusetts




Connecticut: 2


A
AES Thames Generation Plant
B
Bridgeport Harbor Station

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Existing_coal_plants_in_Connecticut




New Jersey: 7



C
Carneys Point Generating Plant
D
Deepwater Generating Station
E
England Generating Station
H
Howard Down Generating Station
Hudson Generating Station
L
Logan Generating Plant
M
Mercer Generating Station

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Existing_coal_plants_in_New_Jersey





18 Coal fired plants in just 4 of our smallest states reveals the lie in your assertion. full disclosure, I started the search with New Hampshire which has 2, then I went to Vermont which has zero. I checked a grand total of 5 of our smallest states and disproved your lies with just 4 of those states. You should have gone with a much more believable lie, 15 was way too obviously a lie.
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Jun 25, 2019 01:43:54   #
dtucker300 wrote:
I listen to and read several sources from the left, right, and middle. All have valid arguments sometimes and BS sometimes. That's why you have to read with a critical eye, weigh the evidence for or against, and think for yourself.


That and I avoid extreme right and extreme left news.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:22:06   #
proud republican wrote:
Was DEBUNKED!!!!


Actually... Not debunked and not investigated. Is it true? Who knows? Is it false? Perhaps. Since it was never really investigated, we can't know one way or the other. Not really a very important allegation other than as blackmail fodder.
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Jun 24, 2019 17:15:05   #
Lonewolf wrote:
thanks for all the detailed information can you imagine if this plain was American what would of happened?


You're welcome.

Iran would have likely been toast if it was the other way around.
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Jun 24, 2019 17:11:18   #
jwrevagent wrote:
I watch them both, but sometimes take a vacation from ANY news. Never watch CNN or MSNBC-if they are not actually making up the news, they certainly do not tell the whole story, omitting what does not fit the narrative they are pushing-not news or journalism, but opinion and propaganda-Fox News does that to some extent, but usually only in those panel shows, where they have the token liberal included, and then the panelists talk over each other, interrupt, and simply show how rude they can be. I suspect that you must be discerning about what you listen to and believe, though most of the candidates for 2020 on the Dem side are pretty clear about what they want to do-which makes me absolutely sure I cannot v**e for any of them so far. Perhaps they will come up with a strong candidate who loves this country and actually wants to see it succeed-that person I could v**e for, though I would not necessarily agree with everything. I am waiting.
I watch them both, but sometimes take a vacation f... (show quote)


I prefer to read my news though I do watch some news on T.V., NEVER on cable, even though I DO have cable T.V.. They DO go more in-depth on their reporting on the cable channels, but much of it is opinion, I prefer to make up my own mind. Fox news, the regular Fox over the air broadcasts, did report on the "birther" conspiracy theory and reported on it as though it were news. I have even been known to watch my news on Fox even.

As for the candidates, I haven't paid much attention to them as yet. I am registered as unaffiliated and therefore will NOT be able to v**e in the primaries so it makes little sense to me to bother doing due diligence on any of the candidates until the field is narrowed to those that will be on the ticket. This way I don't get my hopes up on someone that won't be on the ticket. Also, by the time the field narrows, the candidates will have their campaign promises figured out and there will be much data available on where they stand on many of the key issues. It just makes more sense to me to do it my way and limits how many I have to look into.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:38:22   #
Lonewolf wrote:
before all that our CIA k**led their president and installed a bloody dictator.
we also shot down an Iran airliner with 390 people on board don't you think they would be pissed


Especially since it posed no threat. The civilian airliner was still ascending when it was shot down, even if it were an Iranian F-14, as some thought it may have been, if it had intentions of attacking the U.S. naval ships, it wouldn't have still have been ascending.

Quote:
Early on the morning of July 3, the Vincennes joined other Navy ships, the Sides and the Montgomery, in responding to an attack by small Iranian gunboats on a Pakistani merchant ship.


There were three U.S. naval vessels in the area, the Vincennes (the one that shot the civilian airbus down), The Sides (strange name for a ship) and the Montgomery.

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10:47 A.M. The radar on the Vincennes first detects a plane flying from Bandar Abbas, an Iranian port and air base used by military and civilian vessels. As the plane, an Iran Air Airbus departing 27 minutes late on a scheduled flight to Dubai, rises over the gulf, it is assigned the status of ''unidentified, assumed enemy'' by the crew of the Vincennes.

10:48 A.M. The airliner continues on its course, ascending, and a ship's officer consults commercial air schedules. It is not clear how he interprets the schedule, although the flight does appear in published schedules. Another Iranian aircraft, a P-3 surveillance plane that is 64 miles away, is of some concern. The Vincennes warns the plane away, and the P-3 responds that it will stay clear. Meanwhile, the Sides aims her targeting radar at the Iranian Airbus, which is as yet unidentified, but takes no other action.
10:47 A.M. The radar on the Vincennes first detect... (show quote)


The start of the situation in regards to the aircraft in question. At this point, there IS warranted cause for concern. This whole situation could have been avoided had that particular plane NOT been running behind schedule, but as we all know, this world is not perfect and things happen.

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10:51 A.M...On the Sides, an officer notes the airliner's identifying signal and concludes that the plane is a civilian flight. Later, this officer tells investigators that he reported this finding to another Sides officer. That officer says he does not recall the report.

On the Vincennes, an officer watches the plane slowly rising. He jumps to his feet and says ''possible comair,'' for commercial aircraft, to the ship's commanding officer, Capt. Will. C. Rogers 3d. The captain acknowledges this by raising his hand.
10:51 A.M...On the Sides, an officer notes the air... (show quote)


On the Sides, the airliner's identifying signal is identified as a civilian aircraft.

On the Vincennes an officer observing the plane's ascent determines that it might be a commercial airliner and announces that fact, the ship's commanding officer acknowledges the officer's assertion.

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10:52 A.M. The Iranian airliner is at 20 miles and nearing steadily, but still rising. It is warned several times, and in one warning its altitude is cited at 10,000 feet.


Note the plane's altitude at this point.

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10:53 A.M. On the Sides, an observer in the command room hears ''growing excitement and yelling'' about the possibility that the aircraft is commercial. The ship's commander decides the plane is not a danger to his ship because it is not approaching directly and because it is flying at 11,000 feet. Even if it is an F-14, he reasons, it is not likely to attack a surface ship.

On the Vincennes, the captain is hoping for an electronic clue that will identify the plane. An F-14 and an Airbus emit different radar signals, which can be easily distinguished. But the aircraft, now 15 miles from his ship, has no radar in use.
10:53 A.M. On the Sides, an observer in the comman... (show quote)


The commander of the Sides has determined that the approaching aircraft is no threat based on logical determinations based on facts about the plane's flight path and it's continued ascent.

The captain of the Vincennes is still looking for clues to determine if it is an Iranian F-14 or any other type of aircraft but since the aircraft isn't actively using RADAR and the captain is trying to make this determination based on RADAR signal emissions, he can't make a determination.

First off, why didn't the Sides radio the Vincennes that they had determined the approaching aircraft was of no threat? Secondly, wouldn't a military aircraft with intentions of engaging the U.S. ships be utilizing their RADAR capabilities? Wouldn't it be emitting radar signals? Why didn't he take that into consideration? That coupled with the fact that the craft was still ascending...

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*Still 10:53 A.M.*The captain begins to get ''continuous reports of declining altitude.'' At every opportunity when the ship's internal communication link is silent, an officer known as the tactical information coordinator calls the attention of the other officers to his belief that the plane is accelerating and descending. His computer terminal, like others on the ship, actually shows the aircraft rising. Other officers do not double-check his reports.


If EVERY computer is showing that the plane is ascending, why is this one officer claiming that it is descending? Why aren't the others contradicting his false claim?

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10:54 A.M. The plane is 12 miles away. It is at 12,000 feet, according to the Vincennes's computers, although three of the ship's officers later say it was as low as 5,000 to 8,000 feet. One last warning is issued, on military channels. The plane rises to 12,500 feet as the missile officers confirm the order to fire. It is at 12,950 feet as two missiles are fired. It has climbed to 13,500 feet before the first missile hits.


The last time I checked, 12,000 feet is greater than 10,000 feet and therefore the plane WAS ascending, not descending and therefore NOT a threat yet one officer inciting fear contrary to available evidence and nobody doing their due diligence aboard the Vincennes leads to the destruction and MASS MURDER aboard the civilian airliner. I do not recall whether that officer that made the false claims that led to the shooting down of that aircraft ever saw justice, but he should have.

In the span of 7 minutes, a cascade failure CAN cause tragedy. The plane's identifier isn't examined on the vessel that shoots down the plane, the vessel that HAD identified it as a civilian aircraft didn't relay the information to the other ships in the area, the fact that the RADAR isn't in use on the craft as it would have been if it was a military craft intent on targeting the U.S. vessels wasn't considered, a trigger happy officer falsely claims that the aircraft is descending even though it was ascending as evidenced by all the computers tracking the craft and nobody bothers to confirm the inciting officer's claims, innocent plane gets shot out of the sky, hundreds die needlessly.

The shooting down of that aircraft was a very avoidable mistake that never should have happened. Had people done their jobs properly, it never would have happened.
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Jun 24, 2019 15:01:19   #
Fit2BTied wrote:
I remind you of what you said (without presenting anything to support your argument)...

"You people do know there is some SANE conservative news sources out there, legitimate conservative news sources, the ones that try to avoid spreading conspiracy theories and lies."

I merely asked you to provide an example of what YOU consider "sane...legitimate conservative news sources". Based on your responses since then, I'm beginning to think you know that the source or sources you might cite would turn out to be laughable. But, by all means, I'm willing to listen. And yes, I will research to see if you actually have a point. But I think it's more likely that...
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You do know that "responses" is plural right? Meaning more than one.

Fit2BTied wrote:
I'm just like 2q4u - incapable of determining just what a sane conservative news source might me. I'd really be interested in your list of these places. OAN maybe?


Mikeyavelli wrote:
I watch OAN, never Fox.
I get notices from lots of political sites.
And I get a lot of news and perspective right here on OPP.
For cable news, One America News Network is by far the best.


Fit2BTied wrote:
I don't watch Fox for News much anymore. It's slowly being dismantled (Donna Brazile? Seriously?) But I need me some Gutfeld every week or I get cranky.


Mikeyavelli wrote:
Gutfeld is good and so are a bunch of others, but the owners are anti Trump international l*****ts and slowly they are turning Fox into a lefty organization.


Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Do some research, OAN is worse than Fox news.


Fit2BTied wrote:
I remind you of what you said (without presenting anything to support your argument)...

"You people do know there is some SANE conservative news sources out there, legitimate conservative news sources, the ones that try to avoid spreading conspiracy theories and lies."

I merely asked you to provide an example of what YOU consider "sane...legitimate conservative news sources". Based on your responses since then, I'm beginning to think you know that the source or sources you might cite would turn out to be laughable. But, by all means, I'm willing to listen. And yes, I will research to see if you actually have a point. But I think it's more likely that...
I remind you of what you said (without presenting ... (show quote)


As for your comment, "I'm beginning to think you know that the source or sources you might cite would turn out to be laughable.", "laughable" is in the eye of the beholder, to me, laughable is lies, disinformation, propaganda and conspiracy theory, for those like you, it would seem that t***h and facts are "laughable" to you. If that is truly the case then I don't "think" my picks for decent right side coverage are laughable in your eyes, I KNOW they are.

If anyone is truly interested in actual t***h, they can do their own research, fact check stories they find on prospective sites, if they feel they can trust already established fact checking sites, they can see what they have to say about the sites, I still recommend doing some of your own fact checking to be certain though. You can even start off by fact checking the fact checks/fact checkers.

For those trolls just looking to troll people who ARE concerned about t***h and facts, get a life you useless waste of space.
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Jun 24, 2019 14:32:25   #
Fit2BTied wrote:
I'm just like 2q4u - incapable of determining just what a sane conservative news source might me. I'd really be interested in your list of these places. OAN maybe?


Do some research, OAN is worse than Fox news.
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Jun 24, 2019 02:54:58   #
Blade_Runner wrote:


No, she was complaining that she couldn't round up the weapons. There was a grandfather clause attached that allowed people who possessed the weapons and/or magazines/belts prior to the bill going into effect to keep and to t***sfer them, you just couldn't buy them brand new anymore. That bill expired in 2004 and she has since proposed similar bills in 2013, 2017 and 2019 it would seem. It does not look as though she has ever tried to propose a sweeping gun ban though, contrary to what people keep saying she will do. 25 years and she has never once attempted what all the anti-AWB people have always claimed she would do, doesn't that suggest that she never had any such intentions? Isn't it about time to drop the false accusations? How many years do you think would be reasonable to wait for a prediction about what a legislator intends to do to come to fruition? How many years do you think she has left as a legislator? If she had EVER meant what you people claim she meant in her statement, don't you think she would have made the attempt already?
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