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Jun 17, 2018 17:34:38   #
Loki wrote:
One more time. The section of the 14th Amendment dealing with this is the first section. (There are five). The author of the first section was Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan. Here are his exact words regarding birth citizenship for i******s and the intent of the Amendment in that respect, in a public statement.

He said the language “is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already,” explaining that “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”
The "law of the land" he was referring to was the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which specifically excluded aliens from birth citizenship.

http://www.libertylawsite.org/2015/08/21/what-did-the-14th-amendment-congress-think-about-birthright-citizenship/

Any child of i******s or temporary residents given birth citizenship in this country received it in direct contradiction to the stated intent of the authors of the Amendment in the 39th Congress.
One more time. The section of the 14th Amendment d... (show quote)


That's right. The fact that it has become a de facto law in contradiction to the stated intent without involving Congress or the American people is what should be challenged.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:08:31   #
moldyoldy wrote:
You are wrong, the children do not get to stay, unless Sessions has misplaced them.


When the parent is charged with a crime, our laws say a child cannot stay with that parent because a crime was committed by that adult. The children are separately housed until the criminal is either deported or charged and tried. We can't house kids the same way we house adult criminals, obviously, and sadly, you violate our laws, you're running afoul of the U.S. criminal system. Criminals are separated from their children all the time.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:03:09   #
From the Center for Immigration Studies; Birthright Citizenship in the United States.

Here are three snip-its from the article (only three because it is a very long, but interesting, article):

"Every year, 300,000 to 400,000 children are born to i*****l i*******ts in the United States. Despite the foreign citizenship and illegal status of the parent, the executive branch of the U.S. government automatically recognizes these children as U.S. citizens upon birth......Eminent legal scholars and jurists, including Professor Peter Schuck of Yale Law School and U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Richard Posner, have questioned whether the 14th Amendment should be read to mandate such a permissive citizenship policy. Nevertheless, the practice has become the de facto law of the land without any input from Congress or the American public.......The overwhelming majority of the world’s countries do not offer automatic citizenship to everyone born within their borders. Over the past few decades, many countries that once did so — including Australia, Ireland, India, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Malta, and the Dominican Republic — have repealed those policies. Other countries are considering changes......Most benefits Americans would regard as “welfare” are not accessible to i*****l i*******ts. However, i*****l i*******ts can obtain welfare benefits such as Medicaid and food stamps on behalf of their U.S.-born children." (Emphasis added by me - EmilyD)

There is a lot more about this issue in this link: https://cis.org/Birthright-Citizenship-United-States
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Jun 17, 2018 15:45:30   #
moldyoldy wrote:
The people from central America for the most part are refugees, the one from Mexico are not.


A group of about 1,200 people – most of them Hondurans – are walking through Mexico, seeking asylum or refugee status. This is not new. The caravans, an annual event, are made up mostly of migrants from Honduras and Central America. These are throngs of people trying to use our asylum laws to gain admission into the US instead of calling themselves what they really are: immigrants. They think they can bypass our i*********n l*ws. Trump is calling their bluff, as he should do. What form of armed conflict, or religious-, race-, or political-based persecution is happening in Central America and the Honduras? None. They are immigrants, pure and simple, and when they come to the border and "turn themselves in" they are rejected because they are NOT refugees. Their children are allowed to stay, but they are making a big show of us ripping apart their families. Take your darned children and go back and apply for legal immigrant status - then we will welcome you with open arms.
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Jun 17, 2018 14:46:26   #
moldyoldy wrote:
There is a difference between refugees and i******s, and the laws that apply are different.


Yes, there is a difference between refugees and i*****l a***ns: A legal immigrant is someone leaving his or her home country to resettle permanently in another country by choice. A refugee is someone who has fled his or her home country because of armed conflict, or religious-, race-, or political-based persecution. Which do you think these people are? BTW - The US welcomes wholeheartedly LEGAL immigrants.
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Jun 17, 2018 14:21:43   #
moldyoldy wrote:
You mix up so many different cases into one big basket of h**e.


Sure, you can label it h**e, if you want. I call it resentment. Yes - I resent the fact that these people snuck into our country so that they could use their children to claim the "right" to stay here. I resent that you want me to pay for housing these people while they are rushed through the legalization process before others who have been waiting in line to become citizens for years. I resent that when Trump is trying to enforce the i*********n l*ws, you blame him for being a monster, while when Obama did it - yes, Obama deported lots of i*****l a***ns - you said nothing.
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Jun 17, 2018 14:06:37   #
PaulPisces wrote:
Not at all, Arch.

It's really pretty simple. House families together while the parent(s) are processed/charged/tried.
It seems to me that this would be a strong discouragement to i*****l i*********n attempts, but would do so with a lot more compassion.


So you want our government to come up with the funds to house i*****l a***ns and their children while things are processed/charged/tried. How long will those things take to get done? In some cases it could be years. So you want us to pay for housing for these people for potentially years (because you and I both know that that funding will come out of our own pockets via taxes)? The government should also not allow i*****l a***ns the right to be processed (naturalized) before those people who are trying to become citizens legally. The issue at hand is the illegality of the parents. Why do the illegal parents make an issue of being separated from their children - if they care that much about their children, they should take the children with them when they get LEGALLY deported. Trump is trying to enforce i*********n l*ws the way they are written and the way they should be executed.
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Jun 17, 2018 11:32:48   #
old marine wrote:
EmilyD the 14th Admendement DID NOT say anything about anchor babies. It was passed July 9th, 1868 making freed s***es American citizens.

The socialists Demon-Rats twisted it around to make it look like illegal criminal aliens born in America were automatically America citizens. THAT IS NOT TRUE.

A child when born becomes a citizen of wherever it's parents are citizens of. In this case Mexicans.

EmilyD the 14th Admendement DID NOT say anything a... (show quote)


Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside..."

Maybe it was initially created because of s***es, but in today's world, that statement is abused by i*****l a***n women coming to the United States while they are pregnant. When a woman sneaks across the border while pregnant, and then gives birth in the United States, that baby becomes a citizen while the mother remains an i*****l a***n non-citizen. Thus the term "anchor baby" - the baby is the anchor that the mother uses to stay here illegally.

Edited to add: Here's a link so you can read it for yourself: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
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Jun 17, 2018 02:12:37   #
rumitoid wrote:
Irrefutable facts are hard to deal with or twist. Better just stay silent. If you have no ammo or it is blanks, do not start a shooting war, lol. Stay silent. Even their usual troll insult is absent; such a murmur would call too much attention to their lack of fact. So when I see zero comments, I got my point across perfectly. They were speechless.


Weird. You count comments? No comments means you got your point across? That's strange logic. In my book, no comments means what you had to say was irrelevant.
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Jun 17, 2018 01:01:20   #
byronglimish wrote:
That very reason, is why I don't even engage by their rules..

The missing chess piece, is honesty..


Bingo!


or should I say "checkmate"!
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Jun 17, 2018 00:06:04   #
Morgan wrote:
What brain dead h**eful thinking, I was listening to the lying Trumpet blaming Democrats for this separation of children when Sessions was on live broadcast stating how he implemented this zero tolerance rule, which is the exact rule that has caused this condition.

All Democrats do not support i******s, that's an inflated lie, they do support anchor babies who were born here. According to how we have things set up presently, you are a citizen simply being born here. That's what needs to be changed.
What brain dead h**eful thinking, I was listening ... (show quote)


So you support pregnant Mexican mothers sneaking across our border to have their babies when they are 7 months along..who will then be allowed here because of our ridiculous 14th amendment? The Mothers are illegal. The babies are legal what's wrong with THAT picture? Poor little tiny baby, so cute and adorable...having to go back to a country because their parents tried to gain entry illegally by being pregnant? We're not stupid. Too bad, folks. So sad. Deal with it.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:41:52   #
byronglimish wrote:
Don't you know that it will skew the progressive narrative if you introduce pertinent facts and logic....😎


Yeah, I know. I just would like to see a legitimate conversation with a legitimate argument other than: "you don't know what you're talking about" and "you're a stupid i***t" etc. I know there are thinking Democrats out there willing to have a "give and take" conversation....but they're hard to find. It's like playing a great game of chess with one piece missing.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:30:35   #
moldyoldy wrote:
As tragic reports of Donald Trump's barbaric family separation policy get traction in the media, Republicans are trying to figure out how they can feign hints of sympathy without actually fixing the problem. In that vein, they are entirely lying about a 1997 settlement in a case called Flores, which set forth minimum standards for detaining unaccompanied minors.
Just to be crystal clear about this: No other administration has interpreted the Flores settlement to mean that kids of parents seeking asylum in the United States must be separated from them. That is absolutely the new and twisted logic of the Trump administration alone. In fact, what they are doing is prosecuting these parents for crossing the border before their asylum claims can be processed.
Nonetheless, House Speaker Paul Ryan lied about Flores Thursday when asked about Trump’s family separation policy.
"This is because of a court ruling and so this, I do think ought to be addressed—we believe it should be addressed in immigration legislation."
Ryan invoked that court ruling at least three times during a press conference with reporters. He's wrong and he's lying—there’s no two ways about it. Read the synopsis—it specifically pertains to "unaccompanied minors," which these children are not. That is, until the Trump administration sends their parents to federal jail to await prosecution, at which point officials separate their children from them and then re-label those kids "unaccompanied."
"We don't want kids to be separated from their parents," Ryan added.
Then quit lying, Mr. Speaker, because you are flat-out hiding behind a lie to justify this draconian policy. Same with Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, a supposed legal expert as chair of the Judiciary Committee.

Not only are Republicans lying, they’re setting up a scenario where if they by some miracle pass a broader immigration bill that includes a “fix,” they can blame Democrats in the Senate for blocking it. Remember, any GOP immigration bill that can pass the House on Republican v**es alone will necessarily be so extreme, it will have almost zero chance of passing the Senate. Bottom line, if Republicans really wanted to stop these horrific separations, they would tell Trump and Sessions to quit executing this indefensibly inhumane policy.
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Operative words in your rant is "kids of parents seeking asylum in the United States". Why did they let their kids come here first? Why didn't they come here with their kids if they are seeking asylum??? Didn't these kids become abandoned when their parents "let" them come to the United States on buses without their parents with them? Where is the outrage in that?
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Jun 16, 2018 21:56:16   #
PaulPisces wrote:
It hardly takes the Democrats to make Trump look like a mean-spirited monster!
He does an extraordinary job of illustrating that himself.


That's not the point. The point is that the Dems want to make it look like Trump is the bad guy when it really is them. It's getting down to the wire and they are pushing Trump on this issue by using the children as pawns in the negotiations. Trump wants a border, Dem's don't. Trump wants to go by OUR i*********n l*ws, Dem's don't care about laws. Trump wants to negotiate - he wants something out of the deal, Dem's don't want to give him anything - nothing. They want it all their way without any compromise. It can't get any clearer than that.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:28:46   #
Bad Bob wrote:
Why? Because Obama did too?


No, that's not the reason and you know it. The Dems want amnesty ONLY. They want to make it look like Trump is a mean-spirited monster because he won't just give in and disregard the i*********n l*ws. The t***h is that they do not want to give Trump anything. They want it all their way, or no way at all, and they're hoping Americans will see it that way in November. It's just a plot and the Dems are just using those poor children to play their card to try to sway v**ers in November. The simple, easy way to do this is just send the children back with the parents. That's what Americans are asking....that is the elephant in the room. Send the children back WITH the parents...simple, really.
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