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Jun 18, 2018 18:49:08   #
permafrost wrote:
are you so dense, or simply do not watch news???

They are escaping the gangs and k*****gs in central America. while they are criminal gangs. the result is the same or worst then a civil war.

they come via Mexico by paying bribes or just being hidden..


If you could stay in Mexico but would have to circumvent there laws or go on and take a chance to get into the USA, which would you do??

I do not know the Mexican law so other then that, i have no idea.. But I do not see any mystery choosing Mexico or the USA..
are you so dense, or simply do not watch news??? b... (show quote)


I'm just trying to have a conversation. Calling me "dumb" and "dense" does not make YOU look like a very nice person.
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Jun 18, 2018 18:38:28   #
permafrost wrote:
Why do you keep harping about point of entry???

Do you think these people seeking asylum are out in the desert some where waving down the BP so they can ask for that Asylum??

The caravan which much ado was made some weeks ago dropped its people off at San Diego.. one of the largest border point of entry...

Maybe called San something but is is by San Diego.....

One more time, Obama and even Bush rejected the family separation as inhuman.. they considered but only trump has made it a policy..

He is after money for his wall..
Why do you keep harping about point of entry??? br... (show quote)


Ok, so I'll ask it again: If they are running for their lives, why are they skipping through the whole country of Mexico to come to the US border? Is Mexico not good enough for them? Were they rejects from Mexico for some reason? What reason would that be? And did they claim themselves to be refugees when they crossed into Mexico from Central America? What did they tell Mexico: I am a refugee, but I want to go to the US instead of Mexico?
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Jun 18, 2018 17:16:28   #
permafrost wrote:
for dumb.... would you take in one person for one night under any circumstance? I know you would not..

No, I would not volunteer to take in a family of five..

But I would much rather my money went to help out these people who may be running for their lives then simply give my money to the already very rich which the orange S*** decreed with his tax gift..

the law is the same now as under bush, who changed it to this version, and under Obama. neither used this tactic..

This is all on the orange fart.. trump and miller and other Hench men are using it to try and force congress to fund the dam wall.

Asylum has to be determined case by case.. No law against asking for it.. but trump is having the arrested and locked up, the kids put in another facility..
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If they are "running for their lives" why are they skipping through the whole country of Mexico to come to the US border? Is Mexico not to their liking for asylum? What did they claim they were when the crossed into Mexico from Central America?
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Jun 18, 2018 17:10:35   #
Cherokee38 wrote:
You call the parents immigrants in your statement. they are I******S attempting to enter the USA ILLEGALLY!!! That makes them law breakers. If you don't enforce the laws you have made, why have laws at all? If the i***ts who are purposing this do not like the laws we have made, get them changed or learn to live by them. Or better yet, go where you can live the way they want.


I agree 100%. They are i*****l a***ns wanting to be granted immediate amnesty by using false asylum laws. There is no such thing as an "i*****l i*******t" They are either i*****l a***ns, (or trespassers) or else they are legal immigrants. They can't be both. And they aren't "fleeing" their Central American countries, they are leaving because they want to make their lives better - they don't like how the government treats them - the very definition of an immigrant (a person who leaves one country and legally becomes a citizen of another country permanently.)
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Jun 18, 2018 16:01:56   #
proud republican wrote:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/why_arent_the_democrats_horrified_by_the_corruption_at_the_fbi_and_doj.html
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/why_a... (show quote)


They use the "Hillary" method: You know, the "Just wait until it all blows over and everyone forgets about it" method. It's not working too well, though, right now....
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Jun 18, 2018 15:36:05   #
permafrost wrote:
Obama did not do this. Bush jr did not do this..

Separating the family is all trump, all day.. he and his group of rubble love the power surge it gives them to see a child cry..


So....a throng of people swarm the border with their children demanding they be granted immediate amnesty by claiming false asylum. They essentially want to jump in front of all the people who are trying to enter our country LEGALLY. What do you suggest they do? Just let them in and let them build their tent cities like in Paris and Germany? Would you be willing to take a family of five into your house and clothe and feed them for the five months to two years it would take to get them have their day in court? No? Then you have no right to claim that anyone else should do it, including our government. You do realize, don't you, that YOU would be paying for these families via higher taxes if the government decided to house them? Trump is simply enforcing the i*********n l*ws on them, because that is what they are - i*****l a***ns who want to become immigrants without doing the work. There is no war or persecution in their countries, they simply don't like the way their government is taking (or not taking) care of them and they want a better life somewhere else. That is the textbook definition of what an "immigrant" is. Trump would welcome them wholeheartedly if they got in line behind everyone else and came here the right way. They are trying to use asylum laws instead of i*********n l*ws, and our President is not buying it.
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Jun 18, 2018 14:52:50   #
proud republican wrote:
See,i knew you were gonna go there..thats what you lefties like to do..Im just saying whats good for the goose is good for the gander!!!...Not diversion its the fact!!!!


When BO was first in office, how many times did Dems say "Bush did that". I betcha a dime they'll say they never said it!!

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Jun 18, 2018 13:38:38   #
PJT wrote:
I******s use their children. So they don't mind their kids being separated...they use this to sucker in the fools who support i*****l i*********n.
Tolerating i******s, especially criminal elements benefits America just how?
Oh yes. It adds millions of Democrats to the v**er roles. It is a huge burden on taxpayers, but that's ok. Trillions more in debt and huge increase in crime inc.rape is justifiable if it means Democrats control.


You know, it could be that those aren't even their own children. When my husband went to Mexico a few years ago on business, he saw a bunch of women with various forms of "defects" (only one arm, blind, etc.) holding babies and children and begging for money. He started to pull his wallet out, but his co-worker, who was a legal immigrant who moved his family to the US from Mexico 18 years ago when he was naturalized, stopped my husband and said put your wallet away - those babies and children are not theirs, they are borrowed. According to his co-worker, there were organizations who rounded up orphans and street children, (and even kidnapped some of the children) and the women to beg for money. The women got a little bit, but the organizers apparently made a lot of money with this scheme. So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those children at the border aren't even those people's own children. I hope this is not true, but even if it is, imagine what is going on in those kids' minds....and what will happen if their "parents" do make it into the US, will they keep "their" children in their homes?
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Jun 18, 2018 02:38:11   #
son of witless wrote:
Trump's victory was devastating to the egos of our liberal friends. In their minds since everyone they personally knew h**ed Trump, he could not have possibly won with out c***ting in some way. The Russian Collusion lie is not only a way to overturn a legal e******n, it is a way for them to keep their sanity. That sanity is precariously balanced on a knife's edge.

Trump's victory was America rejecting their policies and ideas. No jilted lover ever felt pain like they are feeling. Pain eventually turns to anger, then rage. Either it burns itself out or it consumes the soul. Assuming one has a Soul.
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Isn't it interesting that the "Russian Collusion" accusation began on November 9th in 2016 the day after the e******n. There were hints of it before the e******n that both parties were involved with Russians, and both candidates were asking each other if they would agree with the results of the e******n. Trump said "I'll let you know after the e******n". When a snarky journalist asked Trump upon his winning the e******n if he still felt that the e******n was r****d, he answered "Yes, and I still won."
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Jun 18, 2018 01:10:24   #
lindajoy wrote:
Take a look at this.~~ more at the staggering amounts involved coupled with us paying out over 130 billion, out yearly just to house and feed them.. Heck it's no dang wonder we’re in debt....

Yes, I know I’m going to get shot down over this but~~~C’est la vie, as the saying goes....
They don’t really want to be legal here.. They take the benefits we offer them while they work sending their earnings back to their family.. Last I posted on this some time ago Migrants from Latin America and the Caribbean are sending more money to their families back home than ever before....

These annual "remittances"as they're called by analysts topped $69 billion in 2016..40% of this money went to Mexico, then Honduras etc.

Anchor babies by any minority and here illegally should not be given automatic citizenship., Loki I believe, commented on this as well.. He is right too! As you are with the many posts of yours I have read...

This dang open armed policy is over and we need to make it clear it is... Let them go to other countries.. We have taken in far more than any other country.. Let the do nothing UN do something about it...

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers
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That is a real eye opener! My question is how is this going to be stopped. It is an outrageous thing that is happening to our country. It is out of control and getting more so. Obama opened the borders so wide that the people who are here now are confused by Obama's "Executive Order" for DACA "children" and their parents and Trump's proclamation that something is going to be done to make them go away and come here legally. Automatic birthright citizenship is blatantly to blame for this catastrophe as is people falsely trying to claim "asylum" as "refugees" rather than becoming legal immigrants as they should do. It's a travesty, and Trump, like a teacher waiting for a good student to come up with a solution, is waiting patiently for that solution to present itself. Our border is being challenged now. Our right as Americans to want a safe border is being challenged.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:48:10   #
moldyoldy wrote:
The Northern Triangle Reality and U.S. Response
The Northern Triangle region of Central America includes the small, but strikingly violent countries of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala (Figure 1). Honduras has been recognized as the murder capital of the world for many years, with its homicide rate peaking in 2011 at 91.6 murders per 100,000 people. In 2014, that rate dropped to 66, but remains one of the highest for a non-war zone country. By 2012-13, the rates for Guatemala and El Salvador had dropped as well, but only in Guatemala did this trend of reduced violence continue into 2014-15. Though our United Nations homicide data end in 2013, more recent data from 2015 indicates that homicide rates in Guatemala have remained steady, but have more than doubled in El Salvador. After the late 2013 breakdown of a truce between the country’s two most powerful gangs (MS-13 and Barrio 18), homicide rates increased dramatically, reaching an all-time high of 104 murders per 100,000 people in 2015. Not surprisingly, research on the causes of migration from this region increasingly finds these high levels of crime and violence as a primary push factor in Central American migration.

Homicide statistics are just one measure of the pervasive violence in many marginalized communities in all three countries. Extortion is also widespread. Data compiled by the Honduran daily La Prensa revealed that Salvadorans pay an estimated US$400 million a year in extortion fees, while Hondurans pay around $200 million and Guatemalans an estimated $61 million. Small businesses, the public t***sport sector, and poor neighborhoods are the most heavily hit. A 2013 report revealed that 70 percent of small businesses in El Salvador are victims of extortion. According to a Guatemalan human rights organization, between January and July of 2014, at least 700 people had been k**led for failing to pay extortion fees.
2. People are fleeing community-level violence, which is often personal and direct. They face real and specific threats from street gangs, extortionists, drug traffickers, and from domestic abuse, and so may be potential targets if returned. In many poor and marginalized communities in all three countries, women and children are victims of extortion, abuse, rape, murder, and gang-related violence. In many of these communities, citizens face explicit threats on their lives for reasons that may include bearing witness to a crime, attempting to leave a gang, or failing to pay an extortion fee or war tax. A 2015 report by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) found that women in particular face a “startling” degree of violence in the Northern Triangle and Mexico, including rape, assault, extortion, and threats by armed criminal groups. Sixty-four percent of women interviewed for the study cited targeted threats or attacks as one of their primary motivations for leaving their communities.
Although there are no official records of how many deported migrants have been k**led upon return to their home countries, one study has estimated that over 80 returnees have been murdered in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras since January 2014. A recent article published in The Guardian profiled three cases of returned migrants who were murdered shortly after being deported from the United States, one only days after his arrival. A short op-doc produced by the New York Times chronicling the journey of several unaccompanied children from Honduras described the endemic violence as a key factor in many minors’ decision to make the risky journey north.
3. These individuals have nowhere to turn for protection if they are sent back. Countries of the Northern Triangle are not providing security for their citizens. Victims of violence, extortion, sexual abuse, and death threats rarely find protection from the authorities. In fact, many victims fear the police as much as the criminals. In the Northern Triangle countries, rule of law and law enforcement institutions are weak and corrupted. The majority of police forces are underfunded, plagued by poor leadership, and sometimes complicit in criminal activity.
In El Salvador, growing concerns of reports of police and security force involvement in extrajudicial k*****gs and human rights abuses are troubling. Among the Northern Triangle countries as a whole, the statistics on criminal investigation and prosecution are appalling: only five percent of homicide cases lead to a conviction in the region. Given this context, it is not surprising that women, children, and youth consider fleeing their communities in search of safety and protection.
4. The dangers people are fleeing are documented in skyrocketing requests for asylum or other forms of protection from citizens of the Northern Triangle, not just in the United States but in other countries of the region. It is not illegal to cross international borders to seek asylum. While the United States continues to be a primary destination, the countries neighboring the Northern Triangle, including Mexico, Costa Rica, Belize, and Nicaragua, have seen requests for asylum from citizens of these countries increase by almost 1,200 percent from 2008 to 2014. Between 2008 and August 2015, Costa Rica alone saw a sixteen-fold increase in asylum requests from the Northern Triangle countries. Request for asylum in Mexico, primarily from Northern Triangle countries, have more than doubled since 2013. In a further illustration that fear and insecurity are driving migration and requests for asylum and protection, a UNHCR analysis of credible fear screenings carried out by U.S. asylum officers found that in 2015, 82 percent of the women from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico who were screened on arrival at the U.S. border “to have a significant possibility of establishing eligibility for asylum or protection under the Convention against Torture.”
Of course, the decision to migrate is a complicated one, and a variety of factors– especially economic insecurity and family situation–play into the decision. But there can be little doubt that violence and insecurity are major drivers in the decision of a growing number of Northern Triangle citizens to leave their country in search of protection.
5. While there has been an increase in Central American migrants, especially women, children, and families, overall migration at the United States’ southern border is low, and there is no migration crisis at our border. While headlines about Central Americans’ flight from violence may leave the other impression, the fact is overall migration to the United States through the southern border has plummeted in recent years. There is simply no crisis of illegal border-crossing to justify the recent deportation policy. In fiscal year 2015, Border Patrol apprehended 331,313 people at the U.S.-Mexico border. That is the second fewest of any year since 1972, and the number of Mexican citizens apprehended (186,017) is the lowest since 1970. (In 2000 Border Patrol, with less than half as many agents as 2015, apprehended over 1.6 million Mexicans.)
https://www.wola.org/analysis/five-facts-about-migration-from-central-americas-northern-triangle/
The Northern Triangle Reality and U.S. Response br... (show quote)


That is a Venezuelan version on what is happening in Central America. That you believe this enough to post it speaks volumes! Your link (which astounds me) as a reminder that you don't have to. Propaganda? Yup.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:26:05   #
moldyoldy wrote:
R
Asylum seekers turn themselves in at the border there is nothing illegal about this process


It is abundantly clear that they are not refugees. They "flee" into Mexico every year under caravans that are organized for them it's an annual event...these caravans have organizers like a travel agency organizing a trip. And now they are discovering that "fleeing" to America is much better, so they claim that they fear for their lives, as they are told to do, and therefore call themselves "refugees". Yes, living in Central America is nothing like living in Mexico or the US, but they are discovering that it is much more attractive to them to try to "flee" to America. Mexico is s**k of picking up the tab for them, and they are now encouraging these caravans to go north into America and they've been told how to do it by claiming asylum because it is easier for them to bypass our i*********n l*ws. Their problem is that they've now encountered Trump. Who is calling BS on this whole thin. I admire him for standing firm against these trespassers who demand rights because they are now here. It's ludicrous at least.
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Jun 18, 2018 00:11:49   #
Ricktloml wrote:
Actually the terrorism falls squarely on the parents. They are using their children as human shields, then blaming everyone else when they get hurt.


Bingo! And well put, in a nutshell.
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Jun 17, 2018 23:15:48   #
lindajoy wrote:
Which wouldn’t even be at issue had the parent decided not to try illegal entry to claim asylum needs..

They go to jail and if there is a family member that will take the child(ren) they go to that person.. If not guess where they go...

The child whose parent is incarcerated, goes to CPS or DFCS who often takes temporary custody. ... And that is a long tedious process.. So no, it is not completely different, its the same thing that happens to our children right here....


And THAT, lindajoy, is the elephant in the room. It's all about i*****l i*******ts coming here and not even trying to become legal. They use the "poor innocent children" to their advantage. Adult i*****l i*******ts cannot - or have a hard time - getting welfare benefits here, but their children can get awarded food stamps and Medicaid. There are 300,000+ (and counting) anchor babies born each year here!
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Jun 17, 2018 18:19:05   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Yes Sessions decided to charge all border crossers with a crime instead of waiting for refugee determination, that way he can k**l two birds with one stone. The parents are now criminals and the kids are taken away.


Yet they are not refugees. They are trying to bypass i*********n l*ws by claiming asylum. There is no war going on, there is no persecution happening in their countries - these people just want to come to the United States to better their lives: the very definition of what an "immigrant" is. And they are entirely welcome - when they do it legally.
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