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Jun 18, 2018 23:32:40   #
Morgan wrote:
This is completely on the president and his administration, they created it with the Zero Tolerance Rule, they are the ones using children as a tool against the parents and no matter how much he lies, and you shouting, won't change it either.


The zero tolarance "rule" is not a rule. It is a policy. It means that the laws are now going to become effective. Sessions is going to hold i*****l a***ns accountable to the laws of the United States. The message is not to the people at the border, it is to the world...and it is "Don't try to come to the US illegally or you will be separated from your children" It IS the law Trump has not changed the law, he is abiding by it. In the past i******s have been given a free pass to just come here and assimilate (and v**e for whoever Obama wanted them to). That is not going to happen any more and Trump is telling the world that he is not going to put up with it any more. What's wrong with that? Call it tough love. His message to the Dems is "give me a wall, or I'm going to keep i*****l a***ns out this way", and the Dems don't like it. They've met ther match here.
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Jun 18, 2018 23:20:17   #
Radiance3 wrote:
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I*****l a***ns means they are illegal. Everyone of them with their children are illegal.

Equal application must be applied by deporting all of them. Then they can legally apply if they wanted to come.

The law of the land supercedes any illegal claims of the democrats justifying the i*****l a***ns stay with their kids.

THEY ARE I******S AND VIOLATE THE I*********N L*WS.


The Dems are desperately trying to make Trump look bad by these latest shenanigans of the i******s. The v**e recount when T***p w*n didn't work. When the Dems tried to persuade the E*****rs to v**e against their constituents in December didn't work. Trying to get Trump's inauguration boycotted didn't work. Russian collusion didn't work. So now they are trying to make Trump look bad by challenging the border i*********n l*ws...and it's not working. Trump will not respond to anyone trying to back him into a corner. In fact he will retaliate, which is exactly what he is doing here. Keep on watching. He will not back down. And THAT is why we love him!
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Jun 18, 2018 22:45:17   #
Tgards79 wrote:
Are you kidding?


Nope. And trump is telling them that they are not going to get away with it.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:39:46   #
JFlorio wrote:
Does that mean his names Bad Bots?


LOL - he spelled his user name wrong!
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Jun 18, 2018 22:15:15   #
Tgards79 wrote:
Yes, but what kind of heartless bastard punishes the child? Can you see yourself as a border guard ripping the child from the mother?


What kind of heartless parent brings their kids, knowing that they will be separated. They've been given a pass in the past. The children will not be kept forever, these people will most likely be deported and back together again, and then they will know, along with everyone else who tries to come here illegally, that they are not going to get that free pass any more. If the Dems don't give Trump his wall, this is how he's going to do it. It's tough, but it's the right, strong message. Don't come here illegally with children, if you don't want to be separated.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:02:30   #
Crayons wrote:
He could always ask the Klintoon Foundation to pay for it. ((laughin))
By The way GW Bush followed the same protocol as the Trumpy...these SJW's think we don't have a memory.


I think it's more sinister than it looks. I think that someone who really h**es that T***p w*n (like Soros or Clinton..) is paying for these people to get together and challenge the laws at the border, so that Trump will look bad for the mid-terms. It sounds THAT desperate to me.
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Jun 18, 2018 22:00:17   #
Tgards79 wrote:
And using small defenseless children to send that message. Immoral. And not American values.


Then the parents should not try to use their children to get here illegally, either. They should go back and try to come here legally. This message is not just for these 200 people, it is for the whole world - don't come here illegally or you will be separated from your children. It's the PARENT's fault, not Trump's.
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Jun 18, 2018 21:57:37   #
Tgards79 wrote:
I call it immoral, and so did Bush 43. Reprehensible. Horrific. Makingsmall children victims. Un-American. Pathetic.


Trump is sending a message to the world with this. Don't come to America, unless you do it the legal way. If you try to do it illegally, you will be separated from your children. If you don't want that to happen - get in line with the rest of the people who want to come here legally. IMO, by coming here illegally with their children, they are the ones at fault for all the crying.
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Jun 18, 2018 21:54:19   #
Tgards79 wrote:
I call it immoral, and so did Bush 43. Reprehensible. Horrific. Makingsmall children victims. Un-American. Pathetic.


So what do we do? Where are these families going to stay? Are you willing to take in a family and feed, house and clothe them until their trial comes up in two months or two years? Do you want the government to pay for housing for them? What is your solution, and where is the money coming from to execute it, if you have one.
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Jun 18, 2018 21:49:26   #
Tgards79 wrote:
Zero tolerance is a brand new Trump policy. Neither Bush nor Obama embraced "zero tolerance" in terms of separating children from parents. No law requires it. They thought it was immoral and reprehensible. Trump should do the same, and he could do the same, in one second, if he wished. This is HIS CHOICE.


Since you obviously don't want to read the article that Super Dave posted, I'll paste a snip from it:

"The latest furor over Trump immigration policy involves the separation of children from parents at the border.

As usual, the outrage obscures more than it illuminates, so it’s worth walking through what’s happening here.

For the longest time, i*****l i*********n was driven by single males from Mexico. Over the last decade, the flow has shifted to women, children, and family units from Central America. This poses challenges we haven’t confronted before and has made what once were relatively minor wrinkles in the law loom very large.

The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings.

It’s the last that is operative here. The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults. The idea is to send a signal that we are serious about our laws and to create a deterrent against re-entry."


So you don't like it that Sessions is making people obey the law. To become a legal immigrant to the US, one has to undergo a thorough medical exam, learn English, learn how to read and write English and OBEY our laws. Right out of the gate they are disobeying our laws, and Trump is sending the message that he will not tolerate this any more. Things are getting out of hand, and someone has to do something about it. Call it tough love, or something, but if they are not going to give him the wall, he is going to stop the inflow of i******s one way or another. If they don't want to be separated from their children, COME HERE THE RIGHT WAY. Since the adult is put into criminal proceedings when they come here illegally, they have to separate the children. Trump is not buying their bogus claim that they are here for asylum.
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Jun 18, 2018 21:26:17   #
Tgards79 wrote:
There is no law requiring separation of immigrant children from their parents. NO LAW at all, much less a Democratic law. The separations are the result of Jeff Sessions' "zero tolerance" policy. So Trump is lying. Please tell me you understand all this.


Zero tolerance = following the law. The law has been in place for a long time. All this is is that there will be no more tolerance when the law is broken. If you don't like the law, lobby your congressman to change it.
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Jun 18, 2018 21:15:25   #
JFlorio wrote:
I’m actually gonna make a suggestion. I’ve never used the ignore tab but I think it’s time to ignore someone who constantly acts childish and adds nothing to a conversation.


It does get boring. But it may be that his childishness is not an act. He could actually be six years old, or it could be something else... who knows?
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Jun 18, 2018 20:31:53   #
thebigp wrote:
-4gh.,b12-1 - June 7, 2018
We all will—in about eight years.
On June 5, Medicare’s trustees published a report warning that the health insurance program will be unable to pay scheduled benefits, not in 2029 as previous thought, but in 2026. The same report maintained the previous year’s estimate that Social Security will become insolvent by 2034. These two programs, Medicare and Social Security, together with their correlative for low-income Americans, Medicaid, are far and away the largest recipients of public money in the federal budget. They bear overwhelming responsibility for the federal government’s $20 trillion debt and nearly $700 billion yearly deficit.
But who cares?
We ask the question literally. Who actually cares? Left unchecked, these programs will swallow the federal budget and require dramatic tax increases to sustain them, leading in turn to permanent economic lethargy. But almost no one cares. For elected officials in Washington, the problem is never sufficiently urgent actually to do anything about it, and in any case, the assumption holds that tampering with benefits is a pretty certain way to lose your next e******n. For Americans outside Washington, the problem is too abstruse and too complicated to get exercised about. If no one was alarmed by the prospect of an insolvent Medicare in 2029, no one will care about its insolvency in 2026.
Meanwhile the cost of the programs keeps rising—partly because more and more people qualify as beneficiaries, partly because benefits are set by federal statute and rise automatically (hence the apt term “entitlement”). If lawmakers do nothing, taxpayers will have to bail the programs out, and do so again and again, until entitlement programs eat almost the entire non-defense federal budget. That means discretionary spending on infrastructure, research and development, and a vast array of grants to state governments and other institutions—they all get axed or deleted in order to keep paying for retirement benefits and health insurance for the elderly.
The American economy just can’t keep up with our entitlement programs. The Democrats’ answer to this problem, on the rare occasion they offer one, is always the same: Raise taxes. After all, Europeans have partially succeeded in paying for their burgeoning welfare states; why not here? Leave aside the political question of whether Americans, accustomed to greater political freedom and less intrusive government than their European counterparts, are prepared to pay higher taxes to pay for an entitlement state. Americans also have to pay for a superpower military to counter the global foes of Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, et al. Europeans are not thus burdened.
American liberals regard last year’s individual and corporate tax cuts with incomprehending rage. Republicans, they complain, fashion themselves as the part of fiscal responsibility, and yet they’re starving the government of revenue at a time when our largest entitlement programs are about to go bust. It’s a reasonable, if misguided, question. Entitlement programs were racing towards disaster long before the tax cuts. Why? In part, because of huge demographic shifts and the programs’ poor structure. But also because the American economy had hobbled along at 2 or 3 percent growth for a decade. Productivity gains have fallen for even longer than decade. To put it plainly: The Obama-era economy, shackled by punitive corporate taxes and stultifying regulation, was never going to rise to the challenge.
It’s not clear yet that tax reform will escalate growth in the long term. But it has a better chance than the status quo ante.
The bigger question is whether Republicans any longer have the will to make entitlement programs sustainable. The reform ideas are well known on Capitol Hill: raising the eligibility age for Medicare recipients, reducing Medicare subsidies for beneficiaries with higher incomes, altering the formula for Social Security’s cost-of-living adjustments. George W. Bush bravely tried to allow Americans to privatize part of their Social Security savings. (He failed at that effort, but succeeded, alas, at adding a prescription drug benefit to Medicare.) Paul Ryan proposed an ambitious plan that would have replaced Medicare’s absurdly inefficient direct-payment system with one that supports insurance premiums of plans chosen by beneficiaries.
But Ryan is retiring, and Capitol Hill lawmakers no longer seems interested, if indeed they ever were. President Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed fierce opposition to anything resembling “cuts” to Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. It’s a hopeful sign, perhaps, that Howard Schultz, retiring CEO of Starbucks and likely Democratic p**********l candidate, called the debt the most pressing domestic policy challenge facing the country. But candidates have often shown interest in such reforms—then lost it as officeholders.
One thing is guaranteed to spur reform: the collapse of one, two, or all three of our major entitlement programs. When 62 million people don’t get their Social Security checks in the mail, we may be sure that major changes will take place—along with a great deal of governmental upheaval and political chaos. If you’re reading this, you’ll likely see it happen. Two thousand twenty-six is just eight years away.
source-The Editors-wkly std-
-4gh.,b12-1 - June 7, 2018 br We all will—in abou... (show quote)


One skewer, though...baby boomers are now approaching 70 and are dying off more and more these days. There were 76 million of us.
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Jun 18, 2018 19:18:11   #
permafrost wrote:
that 1200 man caravan had just over 200 by the time it reached San Deigo..

scared the right wingers for sure..

No law prohibits them from seeking immigrant or refugee status..

Soros???? did you know one of your Koch bros had to give it up due to health problems.. they alone have more money invested in getting politics they want then Soros was worth at his wealthiest..


200 is still a swarm, IMO.

Sure no law prohibits them from seeking immigrant or refugee status. You and I disagree on this point, but I honestly believe they are being coached on how to bypass the i*********n l*w, and Trump knows it. They are disobeying the i*********n l*w, and they are not being viewed as refugees by our administration. You don't like it, but it is what is happening.

What difference does it make who has a lot of money and who has a whole lot of money? I still believe that someone with a lot of money is behind this whole situation. And it just smells of Soros, or Clinton, or someone who h**es that T***p w*n.
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Jun 18, 2018 18:55:53   #
permafrost wrote:
are you so dense, or simply do not watch news???

They are escaping the gangs and k*****gs in central America. while they are criminal gangs. the result is the same or worst then a civil war.

they come via Mexico by paying bribes or just being hidden..


If you could stay in Mexico but would have to circumvent there laws or go on and take a chance to get into the USA, which would you do??

I do not know the Mexican law so other then that, i have no idea.. But I do not see any mystery choosing Mexico or the USA..
are you so dense, or simply do not watch news??? b... (show quote)


They could choose a country closer to them that speaks their language in South America. But I guess they think that is not good enough for them either. They want to come to America, and they are NOT refugees. Their caravans are an organized event every year in Mexico. This year they decided to push the envelope and send 1,200 of them to storm our border and demand asylum immediately. When they get in they cannot have welfare benifits, but their CHILDREN can...they can obtain food stamps and Medicaid. Someone is behind this - I wouldn't be surprised if it was Soros or some wealthy anti-Trump person. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those children - who can get benefits - are not even their own children. And I'm talking about i*****l a***ns here, not refugees, because they are not refugees, and Trump isn't buying that BS.
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