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Mar 17, 2020 18:49:24   #
permafrost wrote:
So tell me, do you ever read and accept facts other then the right wing fish warp??

while you accuse the legitimate media of being all f**e news and out to get the orange diffication, do you also include the world media in that pronouncement?

The places you should look are the Russian press, they love trump nearly as much as you do.. also China and every so often NK is instructed to do a fairy tale about him..

what a line up of backers for your orange oxen idol..


I haven't needed to read about what I can see with my own eyes.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:45:40   #
Lonewolf wrote:
sure shows his incompetence


Back up YOUR incompetence with dates and information.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:25:47   #
permafrost wrote:
Impeachment was fine,, to expect the Republicans to have the balls to remove him was dumb..

trump will move on to be the shanker on the ass of America for all of history,, the mystery of the greatest e******n snafu in all our history..

Your attempt to make any of this p******c the fault of President Obama shows your ODS.. You people are beyond hope, America could die and you would be happy because all the liberal would be unable to v**e..


Your ignorance at implying that I am faulting Obama for this is just that, ignorant. I am faulting your Trump hating media for causing the panic and misinforming the public in an effort to once again hurt Trump and hopefully for you, win in 2020. That should clear it up for ya!

I do wonder, however, if the media, in their "get Trump" frenzy, ever thought they would also adversely effect the lives for so many and crash the economy as they have done!
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Mar 17, 2020 18:21:24   #
EL wrote:
When this kind of thing happens, it's stupid to start panic before it's necessary.
Unless, of course, you happen to be a non-thinker.


Or a Trump h**er!
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Mar 17, 2020 18:20:35   #
As you review the following timeline, make note of when the democrats first mentioned it. It was after the State of the Union address, Feb 4th. I would challenge anyone to find documentation of Pelosi even commenting of C****av***s prior to the last date of the impeachment "trial." Then, find the date Trump said he wanted to ban travel in from China. Both dates are virtually hidden in the interwaves by those who know it makes Trump look good.



December 31, 2019 - Cases of pneumonia detected in W***n, China, are first reported to the WHO. During this reported period, the v***s is unknown. The cases occur between December 12 and December 29, according to W***n Municipal Health.

January 1, 2020 - Chinese health authorities close the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market after it is discovered that wild animals sold there may be the source of the v***s.

January 5, 2020 - China announces that the unknown pneumonia cases in W***n are not SARS or MERS. In a statement, the W***n Municipal Health Commission says a retrospective probe into the outbreak has been initiated.

January 7, 2020 - Chinese authorities confirm that they have identified the v***s as a novel c****av***s, initially named 2019-nCoV by the WHO.

January 11, 2020 - The W***n Municipal Health Commission announces the first death caused by the c****av***s. A 61-year-old man, exposed to the v***s at the seafood market, died on January 9 after respiratory failure caused by severe pneumonia.

January 13, 2020 - Thai authorities report a case of infection caused by the c****av***s. The infected individual is a Chinese national who had arrived from W***n.

January 16, 2020 - Japanese authorities confirm that a Japanese man who traveled to W***n is infected with the v***s.

January 17, 2020 - Chinese health officials confirm that a second person has died in China. The US responds to the outbreak by implementing screenings for symptoms at airports in San Francisco, New York and Los Angeles.

January 20, 2020 - China reports 139 new cases of the sickness, including a third death.

January 20, 2020 - The National Institutes of Health announces that it is working on a v*****e against the c****av***s. "The NIH is in the process of taking the first steps towards the development of a v*****e," says Dr. Anthony F***i, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

January 21, 2020 - Officials in Washington state confirm the first case on US soil.

January 22, 2020 - W***n says it will "temporarily" close its airport and railway stations for departing passengers following news that the death toll from the W***n C****av***s has risen to 17. Chinese authorities confirm at least 547 cases in the mainland.

January 23, 2020 - At an emergency committee convened by the World Health Organization, the WHO says that the W***n c****av***s does not yet constitute a public health emergency of international concern.

January 23, 2020 - The Beijing Culture and Tourism Bureau cancels all large-scale Lunar New Year celebrations in an effort to contain the growing spread of W***n c****av***s. On the same day, Chinese authorities enforce a partial lockdown of t***sport in and out of W***n. Authorities in the nearby cities of Huanggang and Ezhou Huanggang announce a series of similar measures.

January 26, 2020 - The China Association of Travel Services reports that all tours, including international ones, will be suspended.

January 28, 2020 - Chinese President Xi Jinping meets with WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom in Beijing. At the meeting, Xi and the WHO agree to send a team of international experts, including US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention staff, to China to investigate the c****av***s outbreak.

January 29, 2020 - The White House announces the formation of a new task force that will help monitor and contain the spread of the v***s, and ensure Americans have accurate and up-to-date health and travel information, it said.

January 30, 2020 - The US reports its first confirmed case of person-to-person t***smission of the W***n c****av***s. On the same day, the WHO determines that the outbreak constitutes a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC).

January 31, 2020 - The Donald Trump administration announces it will deny entry to foreign nationals who have traveled in China in the last 14 days.

February 2, 2020 - A man in the Philippines dies from the W***n c****av***s -- the first time a death has been reported outside mainland China since the outbreak began.

February 3, 2020 - China's Foreign Ministry accuses the US government of inappropriately reacting to the outbreak and spreading fear by enforcing travel restrictions.

February 4, 2020 - The Japanese Health Ministry announces that ten people aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship moored in Yokohama Bay are confirmed to have the c****av***s. The ship, which is carrying more than 3,700 people, is placed under quarantine scheduled to end on February 19.

February 7, 2020 - Li Wenliang, a W***n doctor who was targeted by police for trying to sound the alarm on a "SARS-like" v***s in December, dies of the c****av***s. Following news of Li's death, the topics "W***n government owes Dr. Li Wenliang an apology," and "We want freedom of speech," trend on China's Twitter-like platform, Weibo, before disappearing from the heavily censored platform.

February 8, 2020 - The US Embassy in Beijing confirms that a 60-year-old US national died in W***n on February 6, marking the first confirmed death of a foreigner.

February 10, 2020 - Xi inspects efforts to contain the W***n c****av***s in Beijing, the first time he has appeared on the front lines of the fight against the outbreak. On the same day, a team of international experts from WHO arrives in China to assist with containing the c****av***s outbreak.

February 10, 2020 - The Anthem of the Seas, a Royal Caribbean cruise ship, sets sail from Bayonne, New Jersey, after a c****av***s scare had kept it docked and its passengers waiting for days.

February 11, 2020 - The WHO names the c****av***s C****-**.

February 13, 2020 - China's state-run Xinhua News Agency announces that Shanghai mayor Ying Yong will be replacing Jiang Chaoliang amid the outbreak. W***n C*******t Party chief Ma Guoqiang has also been replaced by Wang Zhonglin, party chief of Jinan city in Shandong province, according to Xinhua.

February 14, 2020 - A Chinese tourist who tested positive for the v***s dies in France, becoming the first person to die in the outbreak in Europe.

February 14, 2020 - Egypt announces its first case of W***n c****av***s on Friday, according to a joint statement by Egypt's Ministry of Health and the WHO. The confirmed case marks the first in Africa since the v***s was detected.

February 15, 2020 - The official C*******t Party journal Qiushi publishes the transcript of a speech made on February 3 by Xi in which he "issued requirements for the prevention and control of the new c****av***s" on January 7, revealing Xi knew about and was directing the response to the v***s on almost two weeks before he commented on it publicly.

February 18, 2020 - Xi says in a phone call with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson that China's measures to prevent and control the epidemic "are achieving visible progress," according to state news Xinhua.

February 19, 2020 - Passengers who have tested negative for the novel c****av***s begin disembarking from the stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship, despite mounting evidence from infectious disease experts they could unknowingly be carrying the v***s back into their communities.

February 21, 2020 - The CDC changes criteria for counting confirmed cases of novel c****av***s in the US and begins tracking two separate and distinct groups: those repatriated by the US Department of State and those identified by the US public health network.

February 25, 2020 - The NIH announces that a clinical trial to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of the antiv***l drug remdesivir in adults diagnosed with c****av***s has started at the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha. The first participant is an American who was evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked in Japan.

February 25, 2020 - In an effort to contain the largest outbreak in Europe, Italy's Lombardy region press office issues a list of towns and villages that are in complete lockdown. Around 100,000 people are affected by the travel restrictions.

February 26, 2020 - CDC officials say that a California patient being treated for novel c****av***s is the first US case of unknown origin. The patient, who didn't have any relevant travel history nor exposure to another known patient, is the first possible US case of "community spread."

February 26, 2020 - President Donald Trump places Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the US government response to the novel c****av***s, amid growing criticism of the White House's handling of the outbreak.

February 29, 2020 - A state health official announces that a patient infected with the novel c****av***s in Washington state has died, marking the first death due to the v***s in the United States. Washington Gov. Jay Inslee declares a state of emergency, directing state agencies to use all resources necessary to respond to the outbreak.

March 1, 2020 - Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis declares a public health emergency in the state of Florida. Over the next several days, Kentucky, New York, Maryland, Utah and Oregon declare states of emergency.

March 3, 2020 - The Federal Reserve slashes interest rates by half a percentage point in an attempt to give the US economy a jolt in the face of concerns about the c****av***s outbreak. It is the first unscheduled, emergency rate cut since 2008, and it also marks the biggest one-time cut since then.

March 3, 2020 - Officials announce that Iran will temporarily release 54,000 people from prisons and deploy hundreds of thousands of health workers as officials announced a slew of measures to contain the world's deadliest c****av***s outbreak outside China. It is also announced that 23 members of Iran's parliament tested positive for the v***s.

March 4, 2020 - The CDC formally removes earlier restrictions that limited c****av***s testing of the general public to people in the hospital, unless they had close contact with confirmed c****av***s cases. According to the CDC, clinicians should now "use their judgment to determine if a patient has signs and symptoms compatible with C****-** and whether the patient should be tested."

March 8, 2020 - Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte signs a decree placing travel restrictions on the entire Lombardy region and 14 other provinces, restricting the movements of more than 10 million people in the northern part of the country.

March 9, 2020 - Conte announces that the whole country of Italy is on lockdown.

March 11, 2020 - The WHO declares the novel c****av***s outbreak to be a p******c. WHO says the outbreak is the first p******c caused by a c****av***s.

March 11, 2020 - In an Oval Office address, Trump announces that he is restricting travel from Europe to the United States for 30 days in an attempt to slow the spread of c****av***s. The ban, which applies to the 26 countries in the Schengen Area, applies only to foreign nationals and not American citizens and permanent residents who'd be screened before entering the country.

March 13, 2020 - Trump declares a national emergency to free up $50 billion in federal resources to combat c****av***s.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:07:55   #
dtucker300 wrote:
Yup, while Trump was responding with border closings and such, the house managers and Senate were holding his impeachment trial. And Joe O'biden-bama was calling this xenophobic. The Democrats are so very out of touch with reality and the American people. Whoever Joe picks for his VP will become President because Biden will no longer be mentally competent. Even Bolshevik Bernie still has a chance to turn the race around in his favor for the nomination as more people realize that Biden has completely lost it, or, he is faking it so that he can't be put on trial for quid pro quo shenanigans in Ukraine.
Yup, while Trump was responding with border closin... (show quote)


LOL! I think he'd have to be shown to be crazy at the time of his shenanigans.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:04:39   #
permafrost wrote:
Deep in your gizzard, even you must know you are wrong..


Yeah, tell us Trump wasn't criticized by the democrats for halting travel in to the US from China and other places early on in January. Tell us how Obama's "p******c response team" had stockpiled ventilators for something such as this, were it to ever happen again after the 2009 out break of H1N1.

My gizzard says Trump has done just fine even while being impeached by you l*****t i***ts. What a perfect time that was for a v***l out break!
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Mar 17, 2020 17:50:47   #
Navigator wrote:
First of all, no one was all over it "back in December" b/c the first case China admitted to was on December 27. Second the duties of the p******c team in the NSC were t***sferred to the CDC and the re-organization has zero deleterious effect on our response.


And then Trump talking about banning flights from China and Pelosi called him a r****t and said he was over reacting.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:43:55   #
woodguru wrote:
This is perhaps the only thing that's worse than the ignorance, stupidity, and pure incompetence he has displayed since December, when the world should have know we had bad news coming at us like a freight train.

The lack of testing being in any realm of adequacy is Trump's fault, he had a reason, he was locking down the control of testing to two major companies so they could make massive profits on overpriced testing they had a monopoly on.

As emergency measures are pulled out at a cost of tens of billions of dollars there are ways this president who thinks of business and profits rather than people and deaths is still going to do many things wrong in the interest of siphoning off billions of dollars. Already one of his first priorities is the "hospitality" industry, and his hotels and resorts will be at the very top of the list of emergency payouts. That can come after respirators, beds, and testing is under control, that is the emergency, not his anticipated loss of revenue in hos hotels.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488031-trump-says-he-knew-c****av***s-was-a-p******c-long-before-it-was
This is perhaps the only thing that's worse than t... (show quote)


Trump was already beginning a response to the c****av***s all the while the House was too busy trying to impeach him that they didn't even notice!! The democrats didn't even know about it until Trump had bee reacting to it for weeks already.

Per fellow OPP poster, dtucker300 - "Congress was busy with Trump's impeachment trial, and whether witnesses should be called, while he was closing the borders and taking other xenophobic actions (according to blathering Joe) to control the v***s from spreading. Even the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Asia didn't take up the c****av***s issue until the day before or day of Trump's State of the Union message where Pelosi, in a pre=planned temper tantrum, torn up the speech."
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Mar 17, 2020 17:39:49   #
dtucker300 wrote:
First, it wasn't an e******n year. Second, Obama was the arrival of the media's new messiah because he gave them one-on-one access so that each thought they could be the first to break a story. But he always controlled the conversation and wouldn't let them ask other questions that probed further. They all thought they had an exclusive with him

Whereas, in this case, Congress was busy with Trump's impeachment trial, and whether witnesses should be called, while he was closing the borders and taking other xenophobic actions (according to blathering Joe) to control the v***s from spreading. Even the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Asia didn't take up the c****av***s issue until the day before or day of Trump's State of the Union message where Pelosi, in a pre=planned temper tantrum, torn up the speech.
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Excellent post and right on!
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Mar 17, 2020 17:33:20   #
saltwind78 wrote:
Liberty, Trump was very slow to respond to this p******c. Your outrageous statement that Dems want a higher death rate is crazy. While it is true that younger people have fewer problems than we geezers, they still get very sick. I'm seventy five years old. Mt wife is in her seventies and has asthma. We are the most endangered part of the population. We are staying home and only going out when absolutely necessary. We follow all the rules about hygiene like washing hands and stuff from outside. With all that, without intervention this p******c could effect hundreds of thousands of America, if not millions.
Liberty, Trump was very slow to respond to this p*... (show quote)


Trump's response was adequate and appropriate. His earliest response was met with cries of over reaction and r****m. His response was certainly faster and better than previous administrations.

And you're right, this thing COULD effect millions of Americans, but it just doesn't have that look to it. At any rate, our response is in full gear as it always has. People act like Trump runs the CDC and it the sole decision maker regarding things like this. Not true in the least. He's been criticized for getting rid of Obama's P******c response team. Well why not, they had obviously done nothing. H1N1 started in 2009 and they had plenty of time to get ready for the next p******c but they did nothing. It isn't even they who continue to modify the flu v*****es to help them stay effective. They should have stockpiled ventilators by the hundreds of thousands. They should have done much more in terms of patient and public education but no. Nothing or as we can now see, very, very little. And still, Trump has responded and is responding as needs be.

The media has hyped this up and scared the public to death. Just look at how that is going. Pure ignorance and it's k*****g the economy. Just plain stupid.

You should thank Trump for his efforts.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:21:30   #
no propaganda please wrote:
I honestly did not think of that as being a major factor, but you are so right on this one. Thanks for clarifying that problem.


Yep, comment had a good comment!
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Mar 17, 2020 16:43:50   #
permafrost wrote:
J, let me mention once more, one of the reasons this p******c is so concerning to the medical community is because it is all new..

It is not the Flu..

We do not seem to be as effective as some other countries, but it is not so much the delay.. more of a problem has been trump refusal to see what is happening in front of our eyes. and his..

Never before have we had this v***s.. no one knows how it will play out.. could recur in people as a second round. it could become as common as the winter colds each year.. it could leave after effects that harm the apparently cured patient..

Other countries, If i paid attention, it seems Italy and S.K. are the good and bad extremes of reaction and we are following about 2 weeks behind Italy as the bad reaction role..

I know you h**e the NYT but the rest of the world does not.. this is one story, many links to the similar information on the search..

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-c****av***s.html

A Complete List of Trump’s Attempts to Play Down C****av***s
He could have taken action. He didn’t.

President Trump made his first public comments about the c****av***s on Jan. 22, in a television interview from Davos with CNBC’s Joe Kernen. The first American case had been announced the day before, and Kernen asked Trump, “Are there worries about a p******c at this point?”

The president responded: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

By this point, the seriousness of the v***s was becoming clearer. It had spread from China to four other countries. China was starting to take drastic measures and was on the verge of closing off the city of W***n.

In the weeks that followed, Trump faced a series of choices. He could have taken aggressive measures to slow the spread of the v***s. He could have insisted that the United States ramp up efforts to produce test kits. He could have emphasized the risks that the v***s presented and urged Americans to take precautions if they had reason to believe they were sick. He could have used the powers of the presidency to reduce the number of people who would ultimately get sick.
J, let me mention once more, one of the reasons th... (show quote)


Trump's response was completely adequate and appropriate. He even consulted the CDC and Dr Fault early on. In fact it was y'all h**ers who criticized him for wanting to halt flights inbound from China. Hypocrite. His "playing it down" was a part of a good "remain calm and don't panic" effort which you h**ers and the media countered with your i***tic f**e "sky is falling" coverage/fiction. He has certainly done more in the face of this than previous admins!
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Mar 17, 2020 16:14:03   #
factnotfiction wrote:
Check your congressional calendar, the senate is gone this week and will not consider any bills


The senate convened at 10am this morning.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:11:31   #
dtucker300 wrote:
Remembering the 1957 Asian Flu P******c
Posted Monday, March 16, 2020 | By Outside Contributor

Surrounded by amulets of the c****av***s crisis, I stare out my window at a city that may or may not be on the verge of disaster. To my right is a case of canned pasta. To my left are cartons of corned-beef hash from New Jersey and bottled water from Maine. I’m ready for wh**ever comes.

Except, I’m not ready. In fact, even at my advanced 80-something age, I find the whole C****-** panic to be strange and troubling. I’ve lived through epidemics before, but they didn’t crash the stock market, wreck a booming economy, and shut down international travel. They didn’t stop the St. Patrick’s Day parade or the NCAA basketball tournament, and they didn’t drop the curtain on Broadway shows. Will these extreme measures have any real effect on the spread of C****-** in New York, or America? We’re about to find out.

My first encounter with a global p******c came in October 1957, when I spent a week in my college infirmary with a case of the H2N2 v***s, known at the time by the politically incorrect name of “Asian flu.” My fever spiked to 105, and I was sicker than I’d ever been. The infirmary quickly filled with other cases, though some ailing students toughed it out in their dorm rooms with aspirin and orange juice. The college itself did not close, and the surrounding town did not impose restrictions on public gatherings. The day that I was discharged from the infirmary, I played in an intercollegiate soccer game, which drew a big crowd.

It’s not that Asian flu—the second influenza p******c of the twentieth century—wasn’t a serious disease. Worldwide, this flu strain k**led somewhere between 1 and 2 million people. More than 100,000 died in the U.S. alone. And yet, to the best of my knowledge, governors did not call out the National Guard, and political panic-mongers did not blame it all on President Eisenhower. College sports events were not cancelled, planes and trains continued to run, and Americans did not regard one another with fear and suspicion, touching elbows instead of hands. We took the Asian flu in stride. We said our prayers and took our chances.

Today, I look back and wonder if an oblivious America faced the 1957 plague with a kind of clueless folly. Why weren’t we more active in fighting this contagion? Could stricter quarantine procedures have reduced the rate of infection and lowered the death toll? In short, why weren’t we more afraid?

It’s hard to answer that question without explaining what it was like to grow up in an age of infectious illness. My mother once showed me a list of the contagious diseases she survived before the age of 20. On the list were the usual childhood illnesses, along with deadly afflictions like typhoid fever, pneumonia, diphtheria (it k**led her older brother), scarlet fever, and the lethal 1918–19 Spanish flu, which took more than 50 million lives around the world.

For those who grew up in the 1930s and 1940s, there was nothing unusual about finding yourself threatened by contagious disease. Mumps, measles, chicken pox, and German measles swept through entire schools and towns; I had all four. Polio took a heavy annual toll, leaving thousands of people (mostly children) paralyzed or dead. There were no v*****es. Growing up meant running an unavoidable gauntlet of infectious disease. For college students in 1957, the Asian flu was a familiar hurdle on the road to adulthood. For everyone older, the flu was a familiar foe. There was no possibility of working at home. You had to go out and face the danger.

Today, thanks to v*****es, fewer and fewer people remember what it was like to survive a succession of childhood diseases. Is the unfamiliar threat of serious sickness making us more afraid of C****-** than we need to be? Does a society that relies more on politics than faith now find itself in an uncomfortable bind, unable to lecture, browbeat, intimidate, or evade the incorrect behavior of a dangerous microbe?

When the c****av***s finally runs its course, one of the most important tasks for health-care officials will be to determine whether the preventive measures we’re taking today were effective. Did deploying the National Guard save lives, or did it simply expose the soldiers to an infection that, in the end, could not be stopped? Did we pay too high a price for tanking our economy and disrupting our society?

Or did we get it right, acting quickly and decisively to slow the v***s, shutting down possible pathways of infection? By comparing the 2020 data with information from 1957, we’ll also be able to find out if the strange people who lived in that distant year—and I remember them well—could have done more to reduce the death toll of the Asian flu. The more answers we get, and the sooner we get them, the better it will be for everyone. When the curtain goes up on Broadway again, somewhere in a faraway continent to be named later, we can be sure that new v***ses will be waiting in the wings.

Reprinted with Permission from - City Journal by- Clark Whelton
Remembering the 1957 Asian Flu P******c br Posted ... (show quote)


When the powers that be look back at how effective their "panic" measures were, they will conclude they were effective, if Trump lost the 2020 e******n.

It's really that simple. We were just as susceptible in 2009 when H1N1 came around but we didn't have a media trying to unseat the president.
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