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Mar 18, 2020 12:37:17   #
Lonewolf wrote:
I really fail to see pointing out trumps incompetence is h**e ,its t***h


You h**ers wanted to impeach him before he even took the oath. That is h**e. He could cure cancer and you'd want to impeach him for promoting over population. H**e.

H**e = blindness. You're a great example!
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Mar 18, 2020 12:34:38   #
Kevyn wrote:
Agreed, the board of directors and executives of every company receiving a government contract, tax break or write off should be tested for drugs weekly and if they fail be forced to pay back every nickel.


I have no problem with that.
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Mar 18, 2020 12:30:31   #
Summary:

The highlights:
Unmitigated scenario (we do nothing):
1) 81% of US population infected.
2) 2.2 million deaths (not accounting for other deaths due to health systems being overwhelmed.
3) Death peak just after June 20th, 2020. Earliest case peak by state (Washington?) just before May 20th, latest around June 20th.
4) Critical care bed capacity exceeded by 2nd week in April

Mitigation (flattening the curve):
1) With each intervention, the peak "critical care beds occupied" decreases and is pushed a little later. With all non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPI), the peak delays about one month or so.
2) Even with best case mitigation, our healthcare systems will be overwhelmed.
3) Even if all patients were able to be treated, prediction is still 1.1-1.2 million deaths in the US

Suppression:
1) Assuming 5-month duration, full suppression pushes the peak "critical care beds occupied" by 6 months and decreases it
2) Once interventions are relaxed, infections begin to rise again
3) To avoid a rebound in t***smission, policies will need to be maintained until large stocks of v*****es are available - which could be 18 months or more.


The first case at the end of December in China and to date, 3237 deaths in China over a 3.5 month duration. World wide including China is 8273 deaths.

Am I being a skeptic if I say that I think this is a greatly exaggerated estimate, based upon current numbers??
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Mar 18, 2020 11:52:08   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Is Trump in on the big picture, the big charade ?

Or is Trump the Pied Piper and controlled Opposition ?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


America is in a haze right now. It seems like half the country is in denial of the danger while the other half is awaking from apathy and frantically trying to prepare. This is creating a fog of confusion as one side screams "it's nothing but the flu, stop buying up the grocery store...!" and the other side just keeps stocking goods, though in an inexperienced way that prioritizes comfort over practicality.

Suddenly, the prepper movement doesn't look so "crazy" after all, and average people are now turning to prepper forums and websites to ask us for information on how to plan more effectively. The people who used to accuse us of being "chicken littles" and "doom mongers" are eerily silent. I almost miss them. At the very least, everyone is now concerned about the situation, if not for different reasons.

This is a far cry from the past two months, when governments around the world as well as the U.N.'s WHO continually downplayed the p******c threat and offered the public nothing in terms of usable advice. The establishment deliberately kept the public in the dark, not just on the v***s and its capabilities but also on the vast weaknesses in the global economy. Suddenly in the past week they suggest that a threat is ahead and now millions of people are scrambling to prepare however they can.

As I have noted in previous articles, there is a reason why the establishment refused to inform the citizenry of the instabilities inherent in the p******c scenario; as reality strikes, chaos ensues, and it is chaos that can be exploited to push forward numerous agendas. These agendas include global centralization as well as the erasure of constitutional liberties.

Now that a national collapse event is slowly being accepted by many as a legitimate possibility, there is a debate rising as to what measures the government should take or should be allowed to take. Those of us in the prepper and liberty movements always knew this day was coming; a day when the public would start considering trading away an array of freedoms in exchange for promises of security.

Even now, government officials are still trying to tell people that this event will be "short-lived."

"Don't worry," they say, "It will only last a couple of weeks." Oh, and "Don't concern yourselves with food shortages, that's not going to happen..." You can look at these lies in two different ways:

1) The government is trying to stave off a "panic" by slowly easing people into the reality that the system is breaking.

2) The government is trying to keep people passive to the danger so that when the system breaks completely they will be unprepared, desperate and easier to manipulate.

I believe the second option is the most likely given the evidence at hand, but in either case the government is crippling the public response time to the disaster. They did this for two months and they are still trying to do it now. So, my argument is, why should we suddenly take their advice or take orders from them when the manure hits the fan? They have failed in their responsibilities to inform and protect the citizenry, and they are about to violate their prime mandate, which is to protect the personal liberties that make our society worth living in. Without these freedoms, there is no point to keeping our system intact anyway.

The establishment and its defenders will claim that we all "have to make sacrifices" today in order to have freedoms tomorrow, but that's not how the constitution was designed to work. Our rights are more important during times of distress and crisis, for it is in these times that we need to know what we are fighting for, and what we are struggling for. Survival is meaningless if we have to accept tyranny to achieve it.

Once governments see a chance to usurp freedoms from the people, they do not tend to give those freedoms back later unless the people become a viable opponent that could bring the establishment down.

There are some who will say that a forced quarantine is necessary to protect the "greater good" of the greater number. It is true that the C****-** v***s is a danger, and I think the people who claim it's "no worse than the flu" are fighting a losing battle as the death rate is clearly much higher than the average flu v***s. They will look extremely foolish a few months from now as the v***s continues to cycle through the population. That said, I think I understand why they cling to this crumbling argument.

They think that by arguing that the p******c is "all hype" they can morally justify resistance to the inevitable totalitarian response from governments. They think it has to be one or the other; either the v***s is hyped and resistance is acceptable, or the v***s is real and resistance is unacceptable. I ask — why can't it be both? The v***s is dangerous, but a totalitarian response is still unacceptable.

The v***s is in fact more destructive than any flu in recent memory — it's not a plague on the level of the Black Death (at least not so far), but if it continues to k**l at a rate of 3 percent to 5 percent at it has been then this puts a large number of human beings at risk. It is not something to be taken lightly, and those people that are actively trying to discourage others from preparing for it are truly narcissistic in their ideology. If you don't think it's a threat, then don't prepare, but don't scream at others for taking precautions just because you desperately want to be right, and don't come around demanding food and supplies from those same people when the ceiling comes crashing down on your head.

Also, understand that C****-** is only part of the problem. The bigger crisis is in the economy itself; a collapse has been baked into this cake for years now, and the v***s has little to do with it. As I have noted time and time again over the past few years, the Everything Bubble only needed one major trigger event to fully implode, but the international banks and central banks created that precarious bubble in the first place, and they set up all the conditions which made it so dangerous. The v***s is not the cause of the crash, it is just very good cover for the banks who are the real perpetrators.

Ignore the v***s if you want, but the economic collapse is undeniable. Accept that the national and global emergency is real (even if it has been financially engineered), and let's move on to a more meaningful debate: Should governments be allowed to implement martial law measures in response?

In my view there is no excuse for tyranny, even during a p******c event. The public is more than capable of voluntary quarantine without government enforcement. And beyond that, C****-** has such a long incubation period that ultimately most people will probably contract it anyway. Total containment is not achievable. Quarantines might slow the spread, which is good, but do not expect to avoid this v***s indefinitely. Why sacrifice your freedoms for safety that is an illusion?

Then there is the argument of "herd immunity," which is utter nonsense and always has been. Either a person or group is immune, or they are not, and people who are not immune do not put immune people at risk. Period. The claim that the v***s might "mutate" within non-v******ted or non-immune people and put v******ted people at risk is a propaganda argument that ignores science. Generally, when a v***s does mutate, it mutates into a less deadly or infectious strain, not a more deadly strain. V***ses are programmed to survive, too. If they evolved to k**l all potential hosts then that would be counter to their survival imperative, which is why they usually evolve in the other direction.

In terms of C****-**, there is no "herd immunity" by the establishment definition anyway, because it is a brand-new v***s. There is no v*****e and the vast majority of people have no antibodies. No one can make the argument that people need to be forcefully locked down in order to maintain a herd immunity that doesn't exist.

Finally, there is a question of agenda and motive behind the rising call for martial law-like measures over the p******c. For example, Champaign, Illinois, mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has given herself executive powers in response to the c****av***s infection that are outright Soviet in their violations.

Among other things, she demand the power to enforce curfews, ban public gatherings, ban alcohol, ban or confiscate firearms, as well as confiscate any supplies from any citizen if those supplies are "needed for emergency response."

Is this really about protecting the public?
How does it protect the public to confiscate their only means of defense, or confiscate their food and supplies?

This type of thing is usually done in c*******t countries, and it is done to protect government power, not protect the people.

Understand also that the Champaign mayor is not the only official calling for these types of actions. From New York to LA and beyond, those of us who are paying attention have noticed a swift and quiet implementation of orders that are whittling down American freedoms.

*Do not expect Donald Trump to operate differently, either.

*Do expect him to initiate martial law measures (though he may not call in "martial law") in the next few months.

*Do expect him to activate Executive Order 13603, which was created by Barack Obama in 2012 and allows the federal government to appropriate everything from land to food to firearms in the event of a national emergency.

This is going to happen. Count on it.

The p******c is not an excuse for tyranny, and I for one will not comply.
I and many I know will self-quarantine for a time with the expectation that we will eventually contract the v***s, and hopefully our i****e s****ms are strong enough to fight it.

In the meantime, I will not be allowing any government officials to confiscate my supplies or my firearms.

I will not sit idle while checkpoints are set up in my county to enforce travel restrictions or demand people test for symptoms.

I will not be signing up for government rations in exchange for my biometric data.

I will not be visiting the local FEMA center for government aid. And I will fight anyone that tries to assert martial law tactics in my area.

A message to the government:
I know you won't, but I suggest you leave people alone and let them self-isolate in peace.
Most of us don't need your help.

You and the financial elites that reside over you created this mess, and we do not trust you to clean it up.
At bottom, this disaster should result in your removal from power.

You should be fired and replaced.

The system itself needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and principles of liberty need to return to the forefront of our society. Centralization and globalization have caused untold grief and terror to humanity; this collapse only reinforces the argument that we need to try something different. They will say that the world was "not centralized enough" and that a more totalitarian framework is the solution. But of course, who really benefits from that in the end? The common man, or the elites?

They can offer any rationalization they want in the name of public safety, but we know what the real play is here. I plan to fight. Not just for me, but for the next generation. Because if I do not, those children may grow up in the world never knowing what freedom truly is. There are fates worse than death, and a life of tyranny and s***ery is one of them.

To t***h and knowledge,

Brandon Smith
Is Trump in on the big picture, the big charade ? ... (show quote)


I prefer the simpler concept that the media, drivien by Trump h**e, has fomented this crisis as it has seen it as an opportunuty to, once again, try to oust Trump from office. I have said it time and again, they are willing to flush the country down the toilet to get Trump out of office. They are supported by China and any other groups who have had their world turned up side down by Trump efforts and policies; i. e. - democrats.

But I think what you are saying might have merit, just not in the way you think. If they push this too far, they give Trump a cause of action towards tyranny in that he might declare martial law and immobilize the country which could result in him staying in power. Not constitutional but what is these days?
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Mar 18, 2020 11:40:50   #
Pariahjf wrote:
True. But in the end, it will be like this.


Right, because of the panic driving media.
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Mar 18, 2020 11:32:14   #
Pariahjf wrote:
Those that are smart don't believe everything the newspapers report on. There are plenty of supplies to go around----you just have to go find them. They need to shop local, farms, out of the way stores. Most stores where am I am small business owners, and they still have supplies. And I don't live in a rural area.


The point is that is shouldn't be like this.
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Mar 18, 2020 11:28:32   #
lindajoy wrote:
And that’s a damn scary thought too!

No one should be messing in bio chemical warfare yet they all are and everyone else knows it.


Agree totally but is it done by virtually all powerful countries, including the US, although they would only admit to working to produce v*****es against bio-weapons. I wouldn't believe them!
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Mar 18, 2020 11:26:38   #
Lonewolf wrote:
agree But its not working is it


Prevention regarding sex isn't working because it isn't promoted by the l*****t media.
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Mar 18, 2020 11:25:40   #
Lonewolf wrote:
What about all the people who don't do all those things but are just dirt poor by far by not making it free for those that need it we save pennies, compared to billions taking care of all those babies


I am all for drug testing of everyone wanting free stuff, so ok!
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Mar 18, 2020 11:16:09   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But they have access to all that wonderful government healthcare

The EU is a complete failure in my books...


Total!!
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Mar 18, 2020 11:13:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The government as a whole needs to be collectively spanked...

Funny how Trump's China ban was r****t, but Trudeau took no fire for his... It's nice to be a Liberal


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Mar 18, 2020 11:12:55   #
dtucker300 wrote:
I really thought he was raising the warning in November. But I defer to you because I can't find anything that says otherwise, and my memory isn't as good as it used to be. Nevertheless, The House Foreign Affairs Committee never took up the issue of C****-** until..., I think it was the day before, or the day of, or the day after(?) the SOTU address. That was the first week of February(?). They were all too busy being out on vacation during a break in their session. They then returned to do the Impeachment. Meanwhile, Trump was on it as soon as the CDC, NIH, and everyone else brought it to his attention. That he ignored it or dropped the ball is just the imaginary narrative the Left and Democrats what everyone to believe. He could have done more with their cooperation.
I really thought he was raising the warning in Nov... (show quote)


Totally imaginary fiction, produced by the Trump hating media who knew that this would hurt Trump. All they had to do was spin it as Trumps fault and the i***ts would lap it up like butta!
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Mar 18, 2020 11:10:31   #
EmilyD wrote:
That's exactly right!!!Trump is the Pied Piper, and he's leading all of the rats over the cliff and into the water to be drowned!! The MSM, Democrats and the "hidden" resources behind this latest witch hunt are being played, once again brilliantly, into Trump's hands.


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Mar 18, 2020 11:09:33   #
Pariahjf wrote:
The media didn't crash the economy----circumstances did. That and piss poor fiscal management by the government AND Wall Street. This was bound to happen eventually----you can't keep printing money and not expect to pay the piper in the end.


Totally disagree. They incited fear and still are. Go try to buy TP, for example. There was plenty to go around so why not now? Because the media incited panic. There has been an ongoing run on grocery stores and department stores since WAY before things started shutting down. That is the media in action. The simple fact that there was no panic like this when S1M1 started back in 2009 is proof of that. The media wanted to incite this to make Trump look bad and there is nothing else to it. Period! And they know/knew exactly what they are/were doing!! This is a Trump h**er's crisis, TOTALLY!!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 18, 2020 11:00:10   #
Lonewolf wrote:
Paul needs to go this is not the time for this b.s. this is a Time to pull together drop the politics pass a clean bill and get the help Americans will need.


He definitely needs to back off this.
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