bahmer wrote:
I suggest that you read the following
1 Corinthians 6:9-20 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
As I said to start with, I don't condone homosexuality and clearly the Bible says that God abhors the act. As the Bible does NOT conflict with itself, then should we not defend John 3:16?
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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Oh yes...I know these verses very well and I fully believe them. But look at verse 11; And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Everyone is condemned to hell for their sins...UNTIL...they get washed or saved.
Look at John 3:18 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jesus told Nicodemus "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven". (Not quoting the Bible exactly.) When you are born on earth, no matter what happens, no matter what you do, you will ALWAYS be a child of your parents. If your parents are unhappy with you, can they send you "back" and start over by having you again? No! You can't be unborn from your parents.
I believe the same thing about God's family. You are born again when you get saved.Let's say that after getting saved and born again, that you don't give up you sinful ways. Would you be ..."unborn"...cast out of God's family? If this were so, then how many times can you be born into God's family. Let's say that after 5 years of being unsaved and living in sin, you seek salvation again. Do you get born again a second time? Or maybe a third? If you love the Lord but you have trouble shedding your BIG sin, can you get born again a 4th time, a 5th, 6th, 7thand so on. I'm not talking about the easily deceived, those who think their ticket to heaven is their member ship in a church...it isn't. THOSE are the sinners that will not inherit the kingdom of God. I'm talking about saved folk. John said,“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the t***h is not in us.” BUT if we surely/DO sin, 1st John 2:1 says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:(to do what? Forgive those sins). In fact, if we are cast out of God's family for sins, none of us would be saved.
Since we all sin, how much sin can enter heaven? None. The sins we have not confessed and received forgiveness for will be aired at the judgement seat of Christ. They will be tried by fire. If we have NO good in us, we will still be saved, but as by fire.
1st Corinthians 3:12-15
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Verse 15 says that IF you are saved and yet have done NONE of the Father's work, you will lose ( I admit here, I don't know what that loss is), but will still be saved but only because the fire can't burn your salvation, i.e. but by as by fire.
Also, those who are at the judgement seat of Christ are the saved and none will be cast out. The unsaved have their day at the White Throne Judgement.
Put all this together; who cannot go to heaven? Those who did not accept Jesus (get saved). Who cannot go to hell? Those who are saved by accepting Jesus.
That is what John 3:16 says. No exclusions were made.
So, the real question is, is the homosexual priest saved in the first place? In the end, the only thing that matters ( as far as getting to heaven), is are we saved by the blood of Jesus Christ?