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Apr 12, 2019 14:03:13   #
Kazudy wrote:
There is a difference in sining and living in sin. I'll give you an example. I am single but I find this pretty lady buy her a few drinks, take her to bed. I realize that I sinned against God I wish that had not done that. God WILL forgive me. Now if I convince that pretty lady to live with me with out being married, but with the benefits that's LIVING in sin. I will be sinning until I get out of that relationship. I hope that helps.


I may not have been clear previously so let me try again. The Bible does not contradict itself. So, is John 3:16 true? If so, is 1st Corinthians 6:9-11 also true? Do these two passages not seem to contradict? Without understanding, someone like Kevyn ( no offense intended) may say the Bible contradicts itself. We know that is not the case.
So, how do we justify these two seemingly contradictive passages?
First, John 3:16. Whosoever means anybody...everybody. No exceptions or exclusions. We believe that this passage is true.
Second, 1st Corithians 6:9-10. The sinners listed here will NOT see the kingdom of God, and we also believe this passage to be true.
Now, verse 11, It says that some of the people that Paul was speaking to WERE these sinners who will not see the kingdom of God, BUT...( a VERY important but)...now they are washed...they are justified...they are sanctified ( meaning set aside). When we believe in Jesus Christ, or get saved, or be washed, justified, and sanctified, our sins disappear...they are as though they were NEVER committed.
Do we live without sin from then on? Of course not. 1 John 1:8 King James Version (KJV). 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the t***h is not in us.
We all sin, so what do we do with that sin? Here's the answer; 1 John 2:1 King James Version (KJV). 2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: "any" man? Who is excluded here? It looks to me like no one.
If truly saved, not deceived, or a creator of their own gospel, these will stand at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Their work shall be tried by fire. Some will suffer loss of the whole of their work but still be saved.
1st Corinthians 3:13-15 (because, I believe, the fire can not burn their salvation.)

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

And as I said before, the real question about the homosexual priest is whether or not he really got saved. Many are called but few are chosen.
I also said before, I DO NOT condone homosexuality nor am I defending it. If I am going to be a Christian, it is my duty to "know" the word of God, to seek understanding of it.
Maybe I'll finish by asking you guys a question. How would any of you defend John 3:16 and !st Corinthians 6:9-11 to both be true? ( Remember, they MUST both be true)and they are...........
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Apr 12, 2019 06:47:51   #
Kevyn wrote:
Melania is not a bad person, she made choices to better her life. What she is is an east block trophy bride of a wealthy egomaniacal sociopath. Michelle Obama in contrast is still the most admired women in the country. A cross between the positive influence on our nation of Eleanor Roosevelt and the charm and grace of Jackie Kennedy. As far as the treatment by their husbands it is Obvious that the Obamas have a relationship that most Americans envy and respect; very loving and mutually supportive. Melania serves a different purpose, more akin to a fancy watch or a sports car, she is an accessory to embellish a very flawed man. To put it bluntly her role is simply to apply polish to a turd, and she does it well. It is a shame in a way because she seems an intelligent and likable woman. Frankly she is far more qualified than her husband and his crooked spawn to run the country. He should keep his mouth shut and listen to her council a lot more than he does.
Melania is not a bad person, she made choices to b... (show quote)


My goodness, Kevyn...Michelle Obama said, "All this for a damn f**g." That's qualifies as the MOST anti American statement that ANY first lady EVER said. She is a goddess only to your liberal delusionist party. Anybody that had eyes to see could see the disdain she had for white people. A****a rose to power under her husband and he did NOTHING about it. Talk about a turd!
Trump on the other hand has rejuvenated the economy, fights against r****m, and protects against terrorism ( at least as much as YOUR party of h**e will allow. )
Isn't all this hoopla because you're mad that there was no collusion? NO COLLUSION, KEVYN !!!
Michelle looks like she belongs in a maid's outfit taking care of Melania. One of their daughters was caught smoking pot, and of course MSM didn't tell that one. Nothing happened to her....isn't that nice? The other one was seen twirking at a party. No big deal except it's a filthy dance. Yeah, good former first family there.
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Apr 11, 2019 11:53:31   #
JFlorio wrote:
And as man is want to do we, like Israel in the past are rebelling against God and will pay.


We certainly deserve to pay, but America still has a Christian backbone. It's just that the crazy people get all the headlines. In fact, crazy people WRITE most of the headlines.
I kinda think that God will not punish the whole country because of a war for dominance between Christian believers and the lost and undone. The Bible says they will revel in their insolence and they are doing just that. If he punishes the whole country, he will be punishing his children also.
Then too, we are a strong ally to Israel. I believe that's why we have been blessed in the first place.
I hope I'm right because people like us are not rebelling.
Praise God from whom all blessing flow.
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Apr 11, 2019 11:32:29   #
Kazudy wrote:
Kevin, why on Earth do you even open your mouth on this subject? You say"CLEARLY it depends on which denomination you belong to" Denominations DO NOT SAVE!!!! Jesus says"I am the Way the T***h and the Life NO ONE comes to the Father except thru ME!" Jesus is our Savior not a denomination. Read up and learn or shut up. I know that you think to sound intelligent but for people that know about this thing, you come out sounding dumb.



I believe that his remark is what the Bible is talking about when it says mans wisdom is folly.
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Apr 11, 2019 10:56:03   #
maximus wrote:
I don't start a lot of threads but after seeing this short video, I had to post it. It tells you how I feel about America and why I call myself a patriot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbTMeTFDR70


I'm amazed that our progressive friends didn't jump on this one. Maybe it was because they could make no argument against the logic of t***h. ........No, that can't be....they don't deal with the t***h...at all.
The video was one of the shortest but best history lessons ever!!!
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Apr 11, 2019 03:51:00   #
Fodaoson wrote:
quote" Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God." I beg to differNew International Version (NIV) I Corinthians 6:9-13
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Sexual Immorality
12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.”The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
quote" Bible doesn't say if man lay with a ma... (show quote)


Please read my longer version 5 up from here.
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Apr 11, 2019 00:32:26   #
son of witless wrote:
My favorite character was Eddie Haskel. " You're looking especially lovely today Mrs. Cleaver, " Such a natural sleazeball. He was brilliant. He would fit right in with today's Democrats.


I saw on TV a few years ago that he is a policeman now.
Democrats probably use him in training films.


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Apr 10, 2019 13:16:45   #
bahmer wrote:
I suggest that you read the following

1 Corinthians 6:9-20 King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

As I said to start with, I don't condone homosexuality and clearly the Bible says that God abhors the act. As the Bible does NOT conflict with itself, then should we not defend John 3:16?

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I suggest that you read the following br br 1 Cor... (show quote)




Oh yes...I know these verses very well and I fully believe them. But look at verse 11; And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Everyone is condemned to hell for their sins...UNTIL...they get washed or saved.

Look at John 3:18 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus told Nicodemus "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven". (Not quoting the Bible exactly.) When you are born on earth, no matter what happens, no matter what you do, you will ALWAYS be a child of your parents. If your parents are unhappy with you, can they send you "back" and start over by having you again? No! You can't be unborn from your parents.
I believe the same thing about God's family. You are born again when you get saved.Let's say that after getting saved and born again, that you don't give up you sinful ways. Would you be ..."unborn"...cast out of God's family? If this were so, then how many times can you be born into God's family. Let's say that after 5 years of being unsaved and living in sin, you seek salvation again. Do you get born again a second time? Or maybe a third? If you love the Lord but you have trouble shedding your BIG sin, can you get born again a 4th time, a 5th, 6th, 7thand so on. I'm not talking about the easily deceived, those who think their ticket to heaven is their member ship in a church...it isn't. THOSE are the sinners that will not inherit the kingdom of God. I'm talking about saved folk. John said,“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the t***h is not in us.” BUT if we surely/DO sin, 1st John 2:1 says, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:(to do what? Forgive those sins). In fact, if we are cast out of God's family for sins, none of us would be saved.
Since we all sin, how much sin can enter heaven? None. The sins we have not confessed and received forgiveness for will be aired at the judgement seat of Christ. They will be tried by fire. If we have NO good in us, we will still be saved, but as by fire.
1st Corinthians 3:12-15

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Verse 15 says that IF you are saved and yet have done NONE of the Father's work, you will lose ( I admit here, I don't know what that loss is), but will still be saved but only because the fire can't burn your salvation, i.e. but by as by fire.

Also, those who are at the judgement seat of Christ are the saved and none will be cast out. The unsaved have their day at the White Throne Judgement.

Put all this together; who cannot go to heaven? Those who did not accept Jesus (get saved). Who cannot go to hell? Those who are saved by accepting Jesus.
That is what John 3:16 says. No exclusions were made.

So, the real question is, is the homosexual priest saved in the first place? In the end, the only thing that matters ( as far as getting to heaven), is are we saved by the blood of Jesus Christ?
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Apr 10, 2019 01:19:53   #
son of witless wrote:
I used to get Dad's belt when I was stupid enough to bring my report card home. Ward never hit Beaver and Wally. Wait, they never had a bad report card. Silly me. Never mind.


I got the belt too, but I deserved every one I got except 1. That 1 was that I couldn't resist playing in water and I was told not to, several times. When I came home with wet shoes, dad lost his temper and striped me up pretty good. We went to Florida a week later and my mom saw the stripes. She told him not to EVER whip me like that again. She didn't have to...it upset dad a lot that he lost it with me. I knew I earned it...it was THE whipping of my childhood.
Speaking of Ward, he said more than once that he would not beat his boys like his father did to him. Being as he was "beaten" he turned out AOK...and we didn't get to see Wally and Beaver grow up differently from Ward, so who knows how they might have turned out.
It was a great show though ( I'll bet the parents in TV land wished for kids like Beaver and Wally too).
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Apr 9, 2019 12:15:48   #
byronglimish wrote:
The denominations who do not strictly avoid what the bible clearly defines as sin and disqualifies anyone from entering the Kingdom would be the ones who condone homosexuality.

It is clearly and unavoidably stated in the Torah and new Testament, men having sex with men removes any chance for eternal life.

You can try the old worn out tactic of hiding your strong promotion of sodomy, behind other non- biblical beliefs, but it doesn't work.


Just a thought...the Bible says "whosoever believeth ( in Jesus) shall not perish but have everlasting life".

It doesn't say whosoever believeth and stops having man to man sex, or drinking, or stealing, or any of the sins.
There will be a price to pay, but the Bible doesn't say if man lay with a man, the same shall not see the kingdom of God.

No, I'm not condoning homosexuality, not in the least, don't even think that. I'm just saying that the Bible says that no one will be cast into hell who believes on Jesus.

Like I said to start with...just a thought.
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Apr 9, 2019 12:02:04   #
Kevyn wrote:
It clearly depends on which denomination you belong to, some accept gay members and women as ministers while some talk in tongues handle snakes and do miracle healings in tents down south.


Denominations are not what gets us to heaven. God laid out a simple plan through his son, Jesus Christ, and we all need to face it...it's God's way or the highway...to hell.
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Apr 9, 2019 11:59:29   #
I don't start a lot of threads but after seeing this short video, I had to post it. It tells you how I feel about America and why I call myself a patriot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbTMeTFDR70
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Apr 9, 2019 11:22:06   #
bahmer wrote:
When a Homosexual Episcopalian Calls Trump’s Christianity ‘Hypocritical’
By Dr. Michael Brown - April 9, 2019

If ever there was a glaring instance of the pot calling the kettle black it was when South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, a professing Christian and practicing homosexual, called President Trump a hypocritical Christian. Seriously?

To be clear, I have no problem with someone questioning whether President Trump is a true Christian. An evangelical friend of mine who has met with Trump on several occasions recently told me that he does not believe the president has had a true conversion experience but that he does truly fear God. Other friends have told me they believe that Trump loves Jesus but is a mere babe when it comes to the Christian faith.

Ultimately, only God knows the state of Donald Trump’s soul.

But I fully understand why people question his Christian faith, based on his past life (before becoming president) and his current behavior (as president).

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One thing, though, is sure: Donald Trump does not claim to be a model Christian, nor should we look to him for an example of how to live out our faith.

What is utterly absurd, though, is for a man who professes to be a serious Christian, yet is pro-a******n and “married” to his same-sex partner, to call out Trump’s alleged hypocrisy.

According to USA Today, which wholeheartedly supported Buttigieg’s position without a hint of awareness of the irony of it all, “Mayor Pete” stands out “as a dev**ed Christian.”

According to Buttigieg:

“The left is rightly committed to a separation of church and state … but we need to not be afraid to invoke arguments that are convincing on why Christian faith is going to point you in a progressive direction.”
In contrast, he criticized right-wing Christians for:

“saying so much about what Christ said so little about, and so little about what he said so much about.”

As for Trump, he said:

“I’m reluctant to comment on another person’s faith, but I would say it is hard to look at this president’s actions and believe that they’re the actions of somebody who believes in God. I just don’t understand how you can be as worshipful of your own self as he is and be prepared to humble yourself before God. I’ve never seen him humble himself before anyone. And the exaltation of yourself, especially a self that’s about wealth and power, could not be more at odds with at least my understanding of the teachings of the Christian faith.”
Is Buttigieg guilty of judging President Trump in a way that violates the Lord’s mandate to not judge? (See Matthew 7:1-5; for an explanation of what Jesus actually meant, see here.) That is certainly possible, since he is judging largely by second-hand information and outward appearance.

More importantly, though, Buttigieg is certainly guilty of the very hypocrisy which Jesus clearly rebukes in Matthew 7, saying:

“Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye” (Matt 7:3-5).

First, Buttigieg says that one of his favorite verses in the Bible is where Jesus says:

“Wh**ever you did for one of the least of these … you did for me” (see Matthew 25:31-46).
Yet Buttigieg claims that when it comes to a******n:

“Jesus never mentioned the issue.”

So, for Buttigieg, whose platform is thoroughly to the left, innocent, helpless, babies in the womb are not included in the “least of these,” yet i*****l i*******ts are.

In fact, not only is he “openly pro-choice,” but when it comes to late-term a******n, he will make no official comment, saying only this:

“when a woman is in that situation … extremely difficult, painful, often medically serious situations where life or health of the mother is at stake, involvement of a male government official like me is not helpful.”
So much for caring for “the least of these.”

Yet when Trump and Pence take strong pro-life stands, Buttigieg deems this hypocritical. (He also criticizes Pence as a “cheerleader of the porn-star presidency.” Not too judgmental, eh?)

Second, as an out-and-proud gay man, Buttigieg must discard the entire testimony of Scripture, since every single reference to homosexual practice in the Bible is condemnatory, without a single positive, homosex-affirming statement of any kind. (Let me be quick to add, however, that grace, mercy, and forgiveness are offered to all alike through the cross.)

It would be one thing if Buttigieg said:

“I struggle with same-sex attractions, but as a committed Christian, I do not affirm these desires, act on them, or celebrate them.”
That would be highly commendable.

Instead, he wants everyone to see that “our marriages are just as good as theirs,” even if that means rewriting the Bible and throwing out almost 2,000 years of virtually unanimous teaching on the subject through all branches of Christianity. After all, love wins, and love is love, right?

As for the possibility of a true follower of Jesus practicing homosexuality, Paul addresses this head-on:

“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9–11, ESV)
So says the Word of God.

Again, my issue is not with questioning President Trump’s Christianity. Let God be the judge, and let each of us examine our own lives.

My issue is with a pro-a******n, practicing homosexual who claims to be Christian calling out Trump’s alleged “hypocrisy.”

That, indeed, is the height of hypocrisy, and there is nothing Christian about it.
When a Homosexual Episcopalian Calls Trump’s Chris... (show quote)



Pretty much every anti Trump statement the left makes involves hypocrisy.
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Apr 9, 2019 03:19:34   #
son of witless wrote:
My parents were not Ward and June Cleaver. I sure wish they would have been. Barbara Billingsley had class.


I agree. I always wondered why I didn't get milk and cookies after school.
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Apr 7, 2019 23:25:23   #
son of witless wrote:
Look, I am in my mid 60s. I was around for this stuff, but it still does not help me understand that first post. Airplane was great. The sequel, not so much.


That was my point...we need Barbara Billingsley to interpret for us.
I'm in mid 60's too.
Fond memories from back then.

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