Argue the point not the person, folks. You lose the argument when you stray from the facts and combat the person.

Remember that. It will help not hurt both groups.

Peg the Bible is a history of one family that populated the world. It is a book of faith and has rich wisdom and understanding of human nature.

This issue of October 7th, has only one thing to do with the bible,

"Thou shalt not murder"

Hamas grossly broke that rule in such a barbaric manner that justice demands this operation.

No one likes war. However, if Hamas did not want this to happen, why did they commit these crimes?

We hold Israel to the rules of war, how about holding Hamas to the same standard?

It will not be done. I wish it would, but it will not. Therefore, a brutal war is a result. We, cannot blame Israel, as I would not blame you for going after some one who burns and beheads your babies.

How can I turn to you and stop you from going after that person? You have a right for revenge, just like Israel has that right.

Remember, thousands were k**led and two hundred taken as hostages. What would you do? And if it happened to your friend, what would you do? Would you tell your friend to stop? Could you stop him/her?

If I was president of the United States, in lieu of the October 7th massacre, I would tell Ali Khamenei, supreme leader of Iran, if you attack us, through your proxies while Israel cleans out Gaza, I will order our troops to attack him in Tehran.

I would also order two thousand marines to storm the beaches of Gaza, as Israel attacks from the east.

In the words of Kurt Russell in the movie tombstone, "Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens"

As long as Hamas controls Palestine, Palestine shall never be free. As long as Hezbollah controls Lebanon, the lebanese shall never be free. As long as Iran controls the terrorists, the world shall never be free.

Hi blade, how the heck are you! Long time no debate....lol

This is not a debate over republic vs democracy but a debate over good vs evil. As was shown on the world stage that even democracies and republics are susceptible to both good and evil. Although I prefer a democratic republic.

This is a debate of holding the terrorists a neo N**i group responsible for the atrocities they commit against America and Israel.

No one can ever lecture me on r****m, ever again if they don't condemn Hamas, and their actions on October 7, 2023.

"an Eye for an Eye and a tooth for a tooth"

That's biblical .... However, why were N**is sentenced to death 10, 20, 30, 70 years after the fact? And we on the world stage have evidence that Hamas and all terrorists have done the same. Therefore the same punishment is justified.

So to answer your question: ABSOLUTELY!

Wow, all of you who have posted on this thread are awesome. Thank you all.

Now let's straighten up some things here, Abram, whose name was changed to Abraham has a son, his name was Issac, Issac had a son, his name was Jacob

Jacob wrestled with an angel, and before dawn asked for a name, that angel named Jacob, Israel-the one who wrestles with God.

Jacob had twelve sons, these became the twelve tribes of Israel.

However that was ancient Israel.

After the exile from Babylon, by Alexander the great, the tribe of Judah a remnant of Israel, tried to rebuild Israel. This succeeded and a new temple was built. It was through this period the people of Judah were called Jews, and all who were not Jews were called Palestine.

After the fall of Jerusalem in 70 ad, the Jews were scattered across the earth, until 1948, where they were welcomed by the Palestinians back to the area of land known as Israel.

Israel through it's whole history in wrestling with God, never once condoned what Hamas did on October 7.

I'm for a Palestine without Iran or Hamas, I'm for a Lebanon without Iran or Hezbollah. I'm for an Israel without terrorism.

Hamas should suffer the same fate as N**i Germany. This is not based upon the Abrahamic religious philosophy, but rather based upon the actions of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas.

Trumps crazy Abrahamic accords seem to work, in the middle east. I say Trump got lucky, but they worked. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, as well as others had a good faith, accord with Israel and it brought peace.

But Iran cant have that, oh no, so they must attack Israel by beheading and burning men, women, and children.

So, at American Woodstock, psychedelic drugs was the worst you had to worry about, but when Israel has a Woodstock, Hamas comes in and murders them N**i style.

Think about it for a minute, is this really a religious issue.

Burning babies beyond recognition,
Beheading children,
K*****g indiscriminately concert goes.
Taking the elderly as hostages.

Now I ask you, is Israel justified in going in to Gaza to wipe Hamas off the map? Regardless of who is responsible for the group?

But is this really a religious war but a war against the enemies of humanity?

Israel represents a human being enjoying life, where Hamas represents the evil a human can inflict. Where's the wisdom and understanding?

Airforceone, you must understand that when one extremist group(the far right) clashed with another extremist group(the far left) empathy goes out the window.

Then what follows is intolerance.

To prevent this, and prevent far right and far left nuts going postal, it is best to hear the arguments and come to a wise discussion.

We as a people are scared of the world as well as scared of each other. This was brought upon by the results of the negative feelings and thoughts of both sides.

So if you are a praying man, pray for wisdom and understanding.

Know that liberals and conservatives can and have done so before, live in peace with each other. But also know, that some progressives lack tolerance. And both the liberals and conservatives are vulnerable to the progressives. This is shown through our history. Therefore, wisdom and understanding is needed.

Let me begin with this quote from 2 Chronicles 6 and God's response in 2 Chronicles 7.

Solomon’s Prayer of Dedication

Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands (for Solomon had made a bronze platform five cubits long, five cubits wide, and three cubits high, and had set it in the midst of the court; and he stood on it, knelt down on his knees before all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven);

and he said: “Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven or on earth like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. You have kept what You promised Your servant David my father; You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day. Therefore, Lord God of Israel, now keep what You promised Your servant David my father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man sit before Me on the throne of Israel, only if your sons take heed to their way, that they walk in My law as you have walked before Me.’ And now, O Lord God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David.

“But will God indeed dwell with men on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built! Yet regard the prayer of Your servant and his supplication, O Lord my God, and listen to the cry and the prayer which Your servant is praying before You: that Your eyes may be open toward this temple day and night, toward the place where You said You would put Your name, that You may hear the prayer which Your servant makes toward this place. And may You hear the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and when You hear, forgive.

“If anyone sins against his neighbor, and is forced to take an oath, and comes and takes an oath before Your altar in this temple, then hear from heaven, and act, and judge Your servants, bringing retribution on the wicked by bringing his way on his own head, and justifying the righteous by giving him according to his righteousness.

“Or if Your people Israel are defeated before an enemy because they have sinned against You, and return and confess Your name, and pray and make supplication before You in this temple, then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of Your people Israel, and bring them back to the land which You gave to them and their fathers.

“When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them, then hear in heaven, and forgive the sin of Your servants, Your people Israel, that You may teach them the good way in which they should walk; and send rain on Your land which You have given to Your people as an inheritance.

“When there is famine in the land, pestilence or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers; when their enemies besiege them in the land of their cities; wh**ever plague or wh**ever sickness there is; wh**ever prayer, wh**ever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel, when each one knows his own burden and his own grief, and spreads out his hands to this temple: then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of the sons of men), that they may fear You, to walk in Your ways as long as they live in the land which You gave to our fathers.

“Moreover, concerning a foreigner, who is not of Your people Israel, but has come from a far country for the sake of Your great name and Your mighty hand and Your outstretched arm, when they come and pray in this temple; 33 then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to You, that all peoples of the earth may know Your name and fear You, as do Your people Israel, and that they may know that [d]this temple which I have built is called by Your name.

“When Your people go out to battle against their enemies, wherever You send them, and when they pray to You toward this city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name, then hear from heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.

“When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to a land far or near; yet when they come to themselves in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captivity, saying, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, and have committed wickedness’; and when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, where they have been carried captive, and pray toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and toward the temple which I have built for Your name: then hear from heaven Your dwelling place their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people who have sinned against You. Now, my God, I pray, let Your eyes be open and let Your ears be attentive to the prayer made in this place.

“Now therefore,
Arise, O Lord God, to Your resting place,
You and the ark of Your strength.
Let Your priests, O Lord God, be clothed with salvation,
And let Your saints rejoice in goodness.

“O Lord God, do not turn away the face of Your Anointed;
Remember the mercies of Your servant David.”

2 Chronicles 6:12-42

It is here that being a descendant of the Israelites means you suffer a curse and a blessing from the Most High. This was Solomon's dedication of the Temple. Therefore, the Lord appears to Solomon later on and says:

Then the Lord appeared to Solomon by night and said to him:

“I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of sacrifice. When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place. For now, I have chosen and sanctified this house, that My name may be there forever; and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually. As for you, if you walk before Me as your father David walked and do according to all that I have commanded you, and if you keep My statutes and My judgments, then I will establish the throne of your kingdom, as I covenanted with David your father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man as ruler in Israel.’

“But if you turn away and forsake My statutes and My commandments which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods, and worship them, then I will uproot them from My land which I have given them; and this house which I have sanctified for My name I will cast out of My sight and will make it a proverb and a byword among all peoples.

“And as for this house, which is exalted, everyone who passes by it will be astonished and say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land and this house?’ Then they will answer, ‘Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, who brought them out of the land of Egypt, and embraced other gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore, He has brought all this calamity on them.’”

Now, we all know that the Lord God, of Abraham, Issaac and Jacob, has punished Israel from ancient days until the modern era. We know that the last major punishment of the Jews was in World War II. But on October 7, 2023, another punishment of the Jews took place.

This punishment was wielded by the hands of Hamas, an Iranian backed militant group that controls 23 miles of Israel, known as the Gaza strip in Palestine. The atrocities that Hamas did to the Israelis is so horrible it must not be tolerated.

To those who h**e Israel, all I have to say to you is, read King Solomon's dedication and understand that the modern Jew is not like their ancestors (at least not right now) and they are seeking peace, yet Hamas comes into their land, unprovoked and brutally murders them. Look at the dedication, and understand, the hand of God shall protect Israel and all who is allied with Israel.

Why are my fellow country men and women, who are younger than I, saying, "Stop the Genocide......Stop Israel's Genocide of the Palestinians....from the river to the sea, set Palestine free." If these people really want Palestine free, they will join most of the western world and support Israel. However, these blinded and deaf people, have bought into the Iranian propaganda, and see that Israel is bad. Yet they have no explanation of why a human baby should be beheaded, and children be burned beyond recognition, and women should be raped, as the men are cold bloodedly k**led.

There comes a time in every human life, when the atrocities are so bad that religion goes out the window, and the survival philosophy of an eye for an eye, takes root. Which means, it does not matter whether or not you are Palestinian or Jew, the brutal massacre of October 7th, like the Holocaust must never be repeated. The only way to ensure that is to take out the perpetrators. In the 1920s until 1940s it was N**i, Germany. Today it is Hamas backed by Hezbollah and Iran. Therefore, in this axis of evil, we as the United States should assist our greatest alley in this endeavor.

What say you? I invite everyone to speak their mind on this subject. With only two rules. Respect each other's viewpoints and try to gain wisdom to fight against evil.

It is now November 4th, 2210 Arizona time and the end of the campaign/e******n season is coming to a close.

Here in America, I have seen principle become personal and personal become principle. I wish both sides would quit it but all experience hath shown that we will die, willingly for our political views.

That's not who we are, but this is what we are becoming. Right or left, we once were able to peaceably debate and no one got hurt, but recent events have shown that we cannot do that anymore. What a pity!

However what makes it worse is that one side believes that this midterm e******n is about democracy, where the other side is about everyday issues that are getting worse under the present leadership.

But common sense, based upon recent experience calls for the clear and present issues to be solved or at least addressed first before anything else.

So my question to the left is this and it is multiple choice:

If you were in command of a ship that was sinking, your first action would be:

1. Find and stop the leak.
2. Change leadership
3. Allow a******ns to those who want it as the ship is sinking.
4. Do nothing.
5. Take on more stowaways.
6. Turn off the diesel engines because it is polluting the waters
7. Evacuate only the minorities
8. Rely on your subordinates after telling them to throw all the leak stopping material overboard.
9. Escape the ship, and tell everyone onboard your going for help.

Now choose what you will do.

Then watch the craziness that's going on in the next four days. Get a beer, whiskey, or wine, and a couple bags of popcorn, for this movie is going to get intense.

Have a good weekend, y'all.

agreed

...More tax cuts for the wealthy Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on more tax cuts for the wealthy
...Cutting Social Security (privatizing it as well) Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on the cutting of social security
...Cutting Medicaid Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on the cutting of Medicaid
...Cutting Medicare Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on the cutting of Medicaid
...repealing drug price cuts Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on the repeal of drug prices
...federal a******n bans. Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on a federal a******n ban. Since the Supreme Court bounced the decision of a******n to the states to decide, they have held true to the point that the federal government is not the moral police. It is up to the States to make that decision. No Republican candidate that is currently running for office, this midterm cycle has announced such a proposition. But I will acknowledge the frustration of the Senator from South Caralina, Lindsey Graham on the issue.
...privatizing the veteran's administration Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on the cutting of the Veteran's administration.
...privatizing the postal service Misinformation. No republican Canidate is running on the privatization of the postal service

However the Republicans are running on the following issues:
1. Reduction of Inflation, to include opening up the manufacturing and refining of f****l f**ls.
2. Reduction of Crime, to include new enforcement incentives to keep the country safe.
3. Reduction of the invasion (Immigrant Migration) through the southern border.
4. Parental Rights, giving the parent rights over the learning of their children. And not to be looked at as d******c t*******ts.


These are the issues Republicans are running on. Therefore, your entire post is Misinformation, intended to confuse the reader

Goes to show you how out of touch with the people, the democrats are. Wonder if they are suffering from wealthy deafness?

No problem, I've stood on that position all my life. Especially a prayer that is said at mass every Sunday, "unite all Christians wherever they may be..."

Thus, any action against that is flat out wrong.

Amen, amen!