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Sep 20, 2021 10:54:10   #
Michael10 wrote:
I'm not lumping the people who can't for health reasons, take the v*****e and have posted that before. I've also posted that people who can and don't are putting those who can't in danger. No i'm not ashamed of posting the t***h about this v***s and how many who deny the now FDA approved v*****e will take the unapproved antibodies for a cure. I am pointing a finger at the hypocrisy of refusing one and taking the other. I guess when people are faced with possible death or extended illness they change their minds on what is and isn't good for you.

The same people who won't take the v*****e because they don't know what's in it when faced with the v***s will gladly take the antibody treatment. Maybe if more people would take the v*****e there would be more of the antibody treatments for those who can't take the v*****e for medical reasons.
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It is NONE of YOUR business.

You don't mind lumping the few rape and incest victims in justify your excuse to massacre unborn babies. YOU, calling ANYONE ELSE a hypocrite is ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence of the average front lawn.

We just insist you quit frelling with us about something NOT YOUR BUSINESS.
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Sep 20, 2021 10:49:30   #
Michael10 wrote:
Go figure this out, before they get the v***s they won't use the "experimental" v*****e, after they get the v***s they beg for the Experimental antibody treatment,,,, makes no sense to me?



Benjamin Mueller
Sun, September 19, 2021, 10:25 AM


But contracting C****-** shattered his faith in his body’s defenses — so much so that Jones, nose clogged and appetite vanished, began hunting for anything to spare himself a nightmarish illness.

The answer turned out to be monoclonal antibodies, a 1-year-old, laboratory-created drug no less experimental than the v*****e. In a glass-walled enclosure at Houston Methodist Hospital this month, Jones, 65, became one of more than a million patients, including Donald Trump and Joe Rogan, to receive an antibody infusion as the v***s has battered the United States.

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V*****e-resistant Americans are turning to the treatment with a zeal that has, at times, mystified their doctors, chasing down lengthy infusions after rejecting v*****es that cost one-hundredth as much. Orders have exploded so quickly this summer — to 168,000 doses per week in late August, up from 27,000 in July — that the Biden administration warned states this week of a dwindling national supply.

The federal government, which was already covering the cost of the treatment — currently about $2,100 per dose — has now taken over its distribution as well. For the coming weeks, the government has told states to expect scaled-back shipments because of the looming shortages.

With seven Southern states accounting for 70% of orders, the new process has unsettled some of their governors, who have made the antibody treatment central to their strategy for enduring a catastrophic wave of the delta variant.

More supplies are on the way. The federal government bought 1.8 million more doses this week, expected to arrive in the fall and winter. But for now, some hospitals are uncertain of supplies, state health officials said, even as patients keep searching for doses.

“We have providers struggling to get the necessary product,” said Kody Kinsley, who leads operations for North Carolina’s C****-** response. “I think what has happened is a classic logistics issue, where all of a sudden there’s much more demand.”

Amid a din of anti-v*****e falsehoods, monoclonal antibodies have become the rare c****av***s medicine to achieve near-universal acceptance. Championed by mainstream doctors and conservative radio hosts alike, the infusions have kept the country’s death toll — 2,000 per day and climbing — from soaring even higher.

And after months of work by President Joe Biden and Southern governors to promote the treatments, they have won the affection of v*****e refusers who said that the terrors and uncertainties of actually getting C****-** had made them desperate for an antidote.

“The people you love, you trust, nobody said anything negative about it,” Jones said of the antibody treatment. “And I’ve heard nothing but negative things about the side effects of the v*****e and how quickly it was developed.”

Some Republican governors have set up antibody clinics while opposing v*****e mandates, frustrating even some of the drugs’ strongest proponents. Raising v******tion rates, scientists said, would obviate the need for many of the costly antibody treatments in the first place. The infusions take about an hour and a half, including monitoring afterward, and require constant attention from nurses whom hard-hit states often cannot spare.

“It’s clogging up resources, it’s hard to give, and a v*****e is $20 and could prevent almost all of that,” said Dr. Christian Ramers, an infectious disease specialist and the chief of population health at Family Health Centers of San Diego, a community-based provider. Pushing antibodies while playing down v*****es, he said, was “like investing in car insurance without investing in brakes.”

The government-supplied monoclonal antibodies, made by Regeneron and Eli Lilly, have been shown to significantly shorten patients’ symptoms and reduce their risk of being hospitalized — by 70%, in the case of Regeneron’s antibody cocktail. The treatments, given in a single sitting, use lab-made copies of the antibodies that people generate naturally when fighting an infection.

Patients and doctors alike overlooked the treatments during the wintertime surge of infections. But hospitals and health centers have now ramped up their offerings, t***sforming dental clinics, mobile units and auditoriums into infusion centers. In states like Texas, where elective surgeries have been postponed to make room for C****-** patients, operating room nurses have been enlisted to give infusions.

One factor driving the demand is that many patients, including v*****e skeptics, have been spreading the word about their seemingly miraculous recoveries.

“They’re like, ‘I have C***D, I want this treatment, my friend or family told me about this,’” said Jennifer Berry, the Houston Methodist nursing director of infusion services. “Now the word is out.”

At Houston Methodist, nurses administered nearly 1,100 treatments across eight sites in the first week of September, well more than twice as many as any week last winter. The hospital reduced the average time between orders and infusions to two days this month from three days in early August, giving patients a better chance of fighting off infections.

Juggling the infusions with more seriously ill C****-** patients this summer forced the hospital, in one case, to move a monoclonal antibody clinic to a strip mall storefront.

But the Texas health department has helped, providing 19 nurses for a different Houston Methodist infusion clinic, said Vicki Brownewell, the lead administrator for the hospital’s program. The Biden administration has also invested $150 million in expanding access to monoclonal antibodies, and Houston Methodist has used federal money to arrange medical taxis for patients struggling with t***sportation.

Even so, the infusions remain inaccessible to many. Given the heavy demands on staff and the need to create separate infusion rooms for infectious patients, certain communities, especially in rural areas, do not have clinics.

In San Diego, Ramers said, some large, for-profit hospitals have decided not to administer the antibodies at all because of the logistical hassles, leaving wealthier, well-insured patients to hunt down doses at his publicly funded clinic. Some nurses that he hired for infusions left for short, better-paying assignments in hard-hit intensive care units.

“The natural, capitalist incentives for health care organizations that are for profit don’t really favor doing this,” Ramers said. “It’s a lot of work.”

Of the 2.4 million monoclonal antibody doses shipped nationally, at least 1.1 million have been used. Precisely how many are still sitting on shelves is hard to determine because of reporting gaps. Still, waning federal supplies and soaring demand from less-v******ted Southern states have caused what several states have described as large shortfalls in deliveries.

North Carolina providers have requested 15,000 weekly doses, the health department there said, more than double what the federal government has allocated. Florida said its latest weekly allotment left clinics there 41,000 doses short of what they wanted.

Hospitals had previously been able to order the drugs themselves. But the Department of Health and Human Services will now decide how many doses each state receives based on case rates and use of the treatment. State governments, in turn, will decide on doses for individual sites.

The new ordering process, which the Biden administration said would ensure “equitable distribution,” has unsettled some backers of the drug. Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a Republican, warned Thursday that state officials were unprepared for the new responsibility of parceling out doses.

And in heavily v******ted states, like New York, people coordinating treatments fear that shipments will plummet because of low case rates, leaving hospitals with so few doses that they shutter their programs. Some hospitals recently reported growing numbers of v******ted patients receiving infusions.

Diana Berrent, the founder of Survivor Corps, which has worked to help patients find monoclonal antibody treatments, said that involving state governments would create delays: “You’re layering in 50 new layers of bureaucracy,” she said.

Doctors have warned that antibody treatments alone cannot keep pace with ballooning outbreaks. Whereas any one v******tion protects untold others from exposure, a single infusion only helps a single patient. Infusions must be given within 10 days of symptoms; they are unhelpful to most hospitalized patients. And receiving the antibodies once does not keep people from becoming seriously ill if they catch the v***s again later.

“Something like that just doesn’t scale,” said Dr. Howard Huang, the medical leader for Houston Methodist’s infusion program.

As a result, health officials have warned that v*****e skeptics may become so enamored of monoclonal antibodies that they become even more resistant to getting a protective shot.

Within days of his infusion, Jones had left the bedroom where he had been quarantined and returned to his work as a landscape architect. But he was still weighing whether to be v******ted.

His doctor was pushing for the shot, he said. But the monoclonal antibodies had worked so well that he was tempted to simply return for another infusion if he caught C****-** again.

“If I can go get an infusion and feel as good as I do right now, man, I’d rather not take a v*****e that has just been developed,” he said. “That makes me nervous, still.”
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What other people do is none of your frelling business.
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Sep 20, 2021 10:47:58   #
The country has the highest v******tion rate globally with 116% fully v******ted population, yet has the highest C***d cases risk level. See attached screenshot. Tony Lin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dOsB-nWof8

Check the data from Our World Data:
https://ourworldindata.org/c***d-vacc...
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Sep 20, 2021 10:45:11   #
I happen to be on the Gibraltar page because they have the highest v**x rate. Higher than Israel.

https://ourworldindata.org/c***d-v******tions?country=GIB
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Sep 20, 2021 10:16:42   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Tom Boggioni
September 20, 2021

'A set-up for an insanity defense?': CNN panel baffled by Trump's latest move in Georgia
Donald Trump in the White House. (vasilis asvestas / Shutterstock.com)



Discussing a written demand from Donald Trump to the state of Georgia to decertify the 2020 p**********l e******n results delivered late Friday, a CNN panel on Monday morning said they were baffled that the former president would pull such a stunt while under investigation for e******n tampering in the state.

Sitting in with "New Day" hosts John Berman and Brianna Keilar, the New York Times' Maggie Haberman and CNN's John Berman tried to wrap their heads around the letter -- expressing surprise that he would put in in writing.


With host Berman quoting the former president's request that stated, "I would respectfully request your department check this and start the process of decertifying the e******n or wh**ever the correct legal remedy is, and announce the true winner if true," he asked Haberman what she found interesting about it.

'That it's on paper," she immediately replied. " That's the most interesting thing. Seriously. This is something Donald Trump has been saying for a while. It has been a slow escalation. [MyPillow CEO] Mike Lindell said he would be reinstated in August. Trump was murmuring that and trying to get others to say that out loud when that passed us by, August is over, he focused on decertification in a handful of states in which are not actually audits. They are investigations of some kind that aren't legally binding. Now he's putting this down on paper."


"I spoke to some of his folks over the weekend and the response is this is really, really about boosting his base and he's targeting [Georgia Secretary of State Brad] Raffensperger -- he wants the e******n to be undone," she continued. "It is not the same as when he was in office and pressuring the secretary of state to do that. Still it's jarring. There are people who believe it, his followers are not going to understand that he might not believe it."

"There are a coupleof big differences," Avlon interjected. "First of all, he is under investigation for e******n i**********e. He is continuing to ask for the e******n to be decertified, trying to interfere with the e******n. Is this a setup for insanity defense? He is no longer president of the United States, he is not shielded -- not that he ever thinks about whether he is making his lawyer's case more difficult, but he is making it doubly difficult."

"There is a real threat," he added. "I think it increases why there needs to be legal accountability. It's clear he doesn't care. He does not believe he will ever be held accountable and, until someone shows him he's wrong, he will continue."
Tom Boggioni br September 20, 2021 br br 'A set-... (show quote)


Your punk "sources" think Trump is a threat?


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Sep 19, 2021 20:34:54   #
Radiance3 wrote:
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Let us see, the domino will keep falling one by one, once the lawyer Sussmann with ties to Hillary is questioned. Hope he'll cooperate to reduce his verdict.
He already quit his job to focus on his defense.

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. "
Luke 8:17.


What did Papadopoulos get? 2 weeks or some such?
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Sep 19, 2021 20:31:48   #
BBZ wrote:
V******ted people do not get as sick as the unv****d, and have a much lower chance of dying from c***d.


C***d has a 98+% survival rate even without hospitalization and most of the deaths occurred in a very small segment of the population.

Did you know P****r just pulled Chantix off the market after 15 years? The stuff to help you quit smoking?

Turns out people were developing cancer all FDA approved and everything.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:26:41   #
zombinis wrote:
Flu treatment at home,
Treatment consists of fluids and activity modifications

The flu is treated primarily with rest and fluid to let the body fight the infection on its own. Over-the-counter anti-inflammatory pain relievers may help with symptoms. An annual v*****e can help prevent the flu and limit its complications.

Supportive care

Fluid replacement

Self-care

Bed rest and Throat lozenge

Medications

Decongestant, Cough medicine, Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug, Analgesic, and Antiv***l drug

When c***d started you were told to stay at home and the treatment suggested was flu treatment. If you get into complications like not being able to breathe then come into the hospital which follows the CDC suggestions listed below. As far as the hospital is concerned the drugs that are being used to treat in the hospital setting , their use has to be monitered.

https://www.c***d19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/hospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/

Now with the above said the people who are claiming that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine can cure or control c***d there is no credible proof other then personal experience. Like every other popular street treatment for any disease the treatments work for some. Three ways to get herd immunity natural immunity your personal physical health, second catching it,third the prepared v*****e for lack of a better word.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400
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Personal experience is fine with me. I have a friend who's been on hydroxychloroquine for 28 years.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:24:55   #
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
How do you know that?


I watched his interview. He's a radio guy in AZ. I'll find it. Been a long time.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:21:58   #
tbutkovich wrote:
Or a data enter breach and it’s all gone. No alternative source of funds. Along with the increase in convenience comes the increase in risk. One day, you’ll go to get your Fedcoins and they will be gone. IRS can jump in and take it too!


Boom! Just like that.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:20:53   #
son of witless wrote:
Bob needs to keep posting these uplifting stories to keep from serious depression. Every other day brings some new Biden caused calamity. It's not like Joe is a young guy who will learn from his many mistakes. Old guys such as Joe already believe they know everything. If anything he can only get worse as he further ages.

Bob needs to keep shifting the focus of attention off of President Biden and onto almost anything else. H**ed White People and Christians are good scapegoats to get Biden's Banshees to focus on.
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Every one of these articles is some androgynous whacko's idea of what someone else thinks.

Very interesting peek into the whacko's dreams, desires and insecurities.

They also do a LOT of projection.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:17:06   #
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
You've got your wires crossed BIG TIME!! Here is the source of the propaganda:


Pretty much.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:16:12   #
kemmer wrote:
😳. Too late. Trump did that 4 years ago.


In a way you're right. You just haven't got a clue why.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:14:51   #
BBZ wrote:
None of the infected staff members at San Francisco General have been hospitalized and most had mild to moderate symptoms, Dr. Day said. The asymptomatic cases were discovered through contact tracing.

Without v******tions, Dr. Day said, the hospitalization rate would be much worse.

“We’re concerned right now that we’re on the rise of a surge here in San Francisco and the Bay Area,” Dr. Day said. “But what we’re seeing is very much what the data from the v*****es showed us: You can still get C***d, potentially. But if you do get it, it’s not severe at all.”
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You can get it after the third and forth "v******tions". None of my other v******tions worked like that.
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Sep 19, 2021 20:09:29   #
AuntiE wrote:
https://www.myessentialnews.com/post/usdeaths

TOTAL US DEATHS 2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019 & 2020
Updated: 31 of December 2020 ...

CDC DATA :

Total U.S. DEATHS ( ALL CAUSES ) :

2014: 2,626,418

2015: 2,712,630 : Increase - 86,212 - 3.28%

2016 : 2,744,248 : Increase - 31,618 - 1.16%

2017 : 2,813,503 : Increase - 69,255 - 2.52%

2018 : 2,839,206 : Increase - 25,703 - 1%

2019: 2,855,000 : Increase - 15,794- 0.55%

2020: 2,913,144 : Increase - 58,144 - 2%

If we review that Total Deaths from the past years, you can see that 2020 was an average year, in fact was better than the increase in total deaths we had from 2014 to 2015, and 2016 to 2017. So then where do we have the excess deaths that are attributed to this V***s?

According to Government records , we have over 360,000 deaths attributed to C****av***s, How is that possible if it was an average years in total deaths ?

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_06_tables.pdf


Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_05_tables.pdf


Source Deaths 2017 : https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db328-h.pdf


Source Deaths 2018 : https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm


Source Deaths 2019 : https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm


NOTE: as you can see from this screenshot , this was the cut off done on December, 31 of 2020, where we had a total of 2,913,144 deaths.


Source : https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

Here you have even the FACT CHECKERS confirm that amount of Deaths of 2,913,144 for 2020. https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/the-cdc-reports-more-than-2-9-million-deaths-in-the-u-s-in-2020-at-least-377000-more-deaths-in-2020-compared-to-previous-years/
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Numbers are so fungible these days. Have you noticed?

Like when the C***d numbers went up the flu and FLI numbers obligingly went down.

Weird, huh?
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