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Mar 30, 2014 22:26:04   #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Are you sure about the Thousand Oaks? I should think they would prefer living on the coast. Thousand Oaks is quite arid, gets extremely hot during the summer, and is very uncomfortable. It is often in the 100° + for days on end. However, I suppose they could become acclimated to the climate after a period of time. I will check to see if they ever visit the San Diego Wild Animal Park, or Zoo to perhaps visit long lost cousins. I'm sure the attendants at both facilities would remember them if they did visit. It isn't as though they wouldn't be recognized. They certainly wouldn't be considered "wall flowers" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Mar 30, 2014 22:24:40   #
Most of the time, to include now, your thought process is not easy for me to follow. But, I guess I got the gist of this one. You have somehow transcended mortal emotions. Good for you. Bad for me, because I still am human with emotions. My neighbor is still quite human and we are discussing forgiveness; can you truly forgive and not forget. There is a strong probability that I am wrong, now that I see how pompous I must have sounded to her. In which case, I will have to visit her tomorrow and let her know.


rumitoid wrote:
Very late in life I came to the reluctant realization that anytime there is a need to forgive, there is something wrong in me. (I say reluctant because it seemed I thrived on blame and resentment for about a decade.) I do need constant reminders of this axiom but quickly or slowly it proves true every time. I usually don't like this at first because there seems a human need to luxuriate in being wronged, and as I have found, for a number of reasons. Yet all those reasons deal with in some way assuaging or hiding character defects and shortcomings within me. Denial can serve a healthy function: I may not be emotionally ready to handle a flaw or the death of a loved one and the impact could damage my psyche.

Let me leap to the basis of this concept: emotional maturity is when psychological need becomes more a psychological gift. However much we achieve this t***sformation, in those areas I forget harm done because there was none: it was something in me that needed to be healed or processed. In effect, if I have found wholeness of being, there is no memory to store or forget about any harm done, for no harm can befall me.

Most things I push from my mind act out unconsciously: it is popularly called the Shadow Self. I discovered it is very real and more active than consciousness when there is a life dominated by deep wounds, shame, and guilt. From this I get primarily a reactionary life. It is a rigid lifestyle filled with strict beliefs, judgmentalism, passive-aggression, and blame without thinking. Highly defensive. Yet an ovewhelming vast majority of people operate within this spectrum, to varying degrees, of course.

When I began to see much of the harm I had perceived to be no more than a reaction to some of deep wounds, no ill had been intended, I felt very foolish. But that was good. It made me ask: what other blind spots might I have. I have been steady t work on those things for over thirty years now and I'm just a few watts short of enlightenment today. Just kidding. It appears, at least in my experience, that each age brings a fresh crop of blind spots. Facing old age has its plethora of demons to face or look to ignore and repress.

If I am not attached to what I possess, who can steal from me?
If I am not attached to what I think of myself, who can insult me?

Forgiveness is frequently taught to be for oneself, especially for those deeply damaged, as a way to release from the pain of the past and resulting constraints put on life. This is right and just...but just the beginning of the process. Usually someone needs to get extremely angry before truly opening to this stage of forgiveness. That energy moves them to do something. Only after this do many make the painful realization that how they lived their life, all that hurt and lost opportunities, was actually on them and not the perpetrator. Ow! Yet this is needed to go on.

Talked way too much. I will leave you with this. Every act of forgiveness is the claim of being a victim, and being a victim as an adult is always (Important note: not as a child), 100% of the time, self-imposed.
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Mar 30, 2014 22:05:38   #
But of course! I sometimes wonder what happened to his kids. The last I heard they lived in Thousand Oaks with their mother. But, they are not little ones now; gee that have to be as old as my sons.

Old_Gringo wrote:
Now that you mention it, I think I have seen several of his offspring here in San Diego. Should I encounter them again, I will inquire about their progenitors. If they are indeed the begatee's, I shall query them regarding their parents whereabouts, and health. Shall I also convey your regards and best wishes?
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Mar 30, 2014 21:19:01   #
No you are good. Your humor is fine. If you had offended me, I would have said so. I have a couple of horses, my own, that I should use instead of those that I grab on the run from the Net.

slatten49 wrote:
Thank you for alleviating my concerns. Sometimes, I misuse humor without realizing it. I was afraid that I had done so in this case. In any event, you have never featured an avatar I didn't like. :thumbup:

It is amazing that you and Salty dated siblings. :lol:
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Mar 30, 2014 21:17:32   #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Gee, what a coincidence. I knew she had a brother. I only met him twice, very briefly. He was a hugger, he hugged too tightly, almost breaking one of my ribs on our second meeting. After that, I avoided him like the plague. I recall he did like Pabst Blue Ribbon beer, which was one of my favorites at the time.


Has to be the same family. This guy, and believe it or not I still remember his name, was a real hugger. No one escaped his hugs. But, he was big and strong, and a real sweet guy. He went away to college and wound up playing for NY Jets. He married...and I think he went to San Diego to play football and then became a coach. Haven't though about him in years! What a great memory, than you!!
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Mar 30, 2014 21:00:37   #
No worries. I did see the avatar as the one kitten being somewhat aggressive. The second one, was a quick grab. Had I remembered that AuntiE had it, I would have moved on and gotten another. I doubt that anyone has used this one....and he/she is adorable!

slatten49 wrote:
Ginnyt, no where did I insinuate I didn't like the other one. If you had noticed the emoticons, you should have drawn the conclusion that I was making light of things...no harm intended. Neither did I accuse you of theft. I simply said AuntiE would confirm how much I liked that particular picture. Why would you read into my comments as you did? There was absolutely no animosity in my tone. Again, check the emoticons.

I don't understand the mood of your responses.
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Mar 30, 2014 20:58:39   #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Please don't change your avatar. It is reminiscent of someone I used to date. At least it looks like her, after a night of imbibing. Boy could she give big kisses, so big one would almost drown before extricating themselves from her clutches.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Goodness, you dated my first boyfriend's sister. They were twins! He played football, and that has been so many years ago, but I still remember him very well! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Mar 30, 2014 20:55:57   #
We, my neighbor and I, were talking in generalities. Apparently she remembers ever unkind word, action, or implied insult. To me, that is a waste of time and energy. We are not talking about murder..... just small things. What brought it up was her daughter having a memory lapse, she failed to call first thing in the morning to wish her happy birthday. I went to her house around noon with flowers and a card for her birthday and she was in a twit. After discovering the problem, I told her that people get busy and the day was not over. Well that made her upset with me and in the process of trying to get my foot out of my mouth we discussed "forgiving" and she told me that it is not possible to forget but possible to forgive. I told her that true forgiveness requires forgetting. Needless to say, she told me that I was dimwitted and I should mind my own business. At which point, I realized that she was not having a good birthday, so I did my pleasantries and went home. Ergo, the reason I am asking opinions. It is quite possible that I am an oddity.

Perfect for high tea. As always your table is perfect!

AuntiE wrote:
Which "wrong" is probably legion. :idea: :!:

Now, serious stuff. Does she remember because it was something she had talked about being an issue for her, and you did not "hear" the message and continued doing? Is it just a "nitpick" irritant?

By the way, we did brunch instead of "high tea". Hopefully the endive/crab/avocado salad was an acceptable substitute for the scone. I did have tea instead of coffee at the end. As you are fond of England, I did Stilton with pears for the cheese board. Hopefully such is acceptable. They did not have any tofu or sprouts nor was anyone is jeans, tennis shoes or tee shirts. There are some areas who continue to try and do protocol and substance. You obviously missed the lessons on the first.
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Mar 30, 2014 20:43:31   #
Thank you. I will let her know. To be honest, she did put her toe on the line when she had her say. Not over the line, no bad words, no excuses...she just let the person know why she asked her if she had written her statement in English. Funny in many ways.


The Dutchman wrote:
I must have missed it because I never saw Duckie post anything inappropriate. Nothing anywhere close to what the liberal parasites in here come across with! Tell he she'll be missed....
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Mar 30, 2014 20:36:19   #
Did I use AuntiE ... you did not like the other one so I grabbed one off of cute animals. I will immediately change it. Thank you for the heads up on my unintentional theft.
slatten49 wrote:
I believe AuntiE will confirm that I think this is my favorite avatar of the feline persuasion. Adorable! :thumbup: :-D
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Mar 30, 2014 20:33:40   #
Hardly any left, under some trees there is some. But, it is wet! How about you?

AuntiE wrote:
Off topic. How much snow do you have?
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Mar 30, 2014 20:24:43   #
For me, I think less of the bad things and concentrate on the good. The bad memory fades. Practice will make the faded memory less and less important until one day, you do not think about it anymore. I did not say that complete forgiveness happens in a day or two; sometimes years passes before you no longer think about the mistake. So perhaps I am unusual; but I also do meditation to train the mind.

Thank you for your comment.

Brian Devon wrote:
Most of us have a number of memories we would like to remove from our heads. The only person I know who was successful at removing memories was Tommy Lee Jones in, "Men in Black". However that was science fiction farce and not real life. If you come up with a way to remove undesired memories please let me know. My wife would like to know that too...being that she remembers every wrong thing that I have ever done. She says it's a woman thing......
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Mar 30, 2014 20:11:42   #
Sorry Wolf, but you just lost my endorsement. I know it is a small loss, but a true believer do not address others the way you just did. I wish you well!

Wolf counselor wrote:
Primacy ? Repressed ? What an imbecilic suggestion. We rule you inveterate punk. We rule the kingdom of righteousness. You and your compadres rule the provinces of damnation. Go ahead, gloat in your ignorance. Your day is coming. Vade, et abscondere tu, stultus,
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Mar 30, 2014 20:00:40   #
I have a discussion going on with my neighbor. She says that when you forgive someone it is alright not to forget. I argue that when you truly forgive then you must forget the t***sgression. What is you opinion? I know that there is no science behind this, just me wondering if I am unusual in my belief.

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Mar 30, 2014 19:49:32   #
Are you talking about Duckie? That is my daughter. You had me wondering about my son, he claims technology ignorance when I text him and I have yet to receive a response to an email from him. Now Duckie, she is quite precocious and is interested in quite a few things. Unfortunately, her account was discontinued because of two people complaining. Apparently she asked the wrong person if what they wrote was in English. :lol: that led to the other person becoming angry, which led Duckie to tell them that at their age they should be able to write a sentence that is readable with appropriate words and punctuation. Now this really caused a stink bottom line, the individual complained and Duckie is now banned. :lol: This is quite all right with me, she was spending more time than she should have on this site. I will let her know that you asked about her and relay your kind complement.

There are several "classifications" of Jews. From the very strict (like me) to those that are "reformed Jews." This site may be of interest, http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/denominations.htm
It identifies the different movements.

Thank you again for the warm welcome!

bahmer wrote:
Your son did a magnificent job keeping us all informed as to your condition and even joined in discussions and added his two cents on a number of topics. I know this site can become addictive but maybe he can stop by once and awhile and join in the foray. Again welcome back and when winter is finally abated in this area I am looking forward to a attending a Synagogue. I believe that I heard that there are I believe that there are three different classifications of Jewish belief. I don't know whether that is correct or not or if I phrased that properly but there are the reformed Jews, (I think these are liberals) and then there are two others and I can't remember what they are called. I would like to attend the conservative one if possible and don' remember which it is. Again welcome back and good to see you up and around.
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