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Mar 11, 2019 23:53:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Why not?

You seem to...


I have actually addressed it with both sides, I just don't see how I can expect those on the left to stop if the right refuses. I have even gotten sucked in to it myself, you can't believe how frustrating it is when you post facts gathered from reliable sources and it gets ignored because it doesn't fit into the poster's narrative, the rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories they are fed daily by their media sources. Things would be so much easier if we all chose to hit media sources closer to center, even if we only hit up those sources that are center-our ideological leaning, center-left for Democrats, center-right for Republicans center-left and right for those that care to look at all perspectives, something that I actually do whether people choose to believe or not. I just think we ALL need to avoid alt-left/alt-right sites as there is far too much mis-information/dis-information/out right lies told on those sites.
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Mar 11, 2019 23:42:41   #
zillaorange wrote:
R you ABSOLUTELY certain you've got it straight Common_Sense ???


Since I tend to provide facts from reputable sources, yeah, I am pretty sure, much of my sources are straight from government facts sources. That is unless you are one that doubts facts provided from the government.
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Mar 11, 2019 23:37:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Q: Have you ever had any undisclosed meetings with Russian officials?

A: No... Not to my knowledge.

Q: Yet you failed to disclose these meetings with Russian officials... Why?

A: I was informed that I neednt disclose those meetings.. They are on public record.

Q: So you admit that you hava had undisclosed meetings with Russian officials... And have just committed perjury....


If the one being question is unaware of having had any undisclosed meetings with Russians, wouldn't they have answered question #2 with "I have not had any undisclosed meetings with Russians so there was nothing to disclose as they were all already disclosed.".

If there had been any "undisclosed meetings" that he failed to recall during the first question, he likely would have suspected that perhaps he had forgotten one and in that case, shouldn't his answer to #2 be along the lines of "I don't recall there being any non-disclosed meeting, perhaps you could refresh my memory.", in which case he never lied during question #1.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:31:28   #
badbob85037 wrote:
If that plant doesn't go to mexico we l*****t are going to get mad and whine and cry like never before. How can anyone care about bettering this nation as long as hillary don't take her rightful place as our commander and theft. Hillary and obama both have given russia uranium for a few Russians to lie on the evils of Trump. How dedicated is that?! If Trump creates one more job or gives one more tax cut this nation is doomed. Impeach trump now and we will think of the reason to impeach latter. If not we will hold our breath while kevyn cries us a river and it won't be pretty!
If that plant doesn't go to mexico we l*****t are ... (show quote)


And why should the left be mad if it doesn't go there, not that it will, luckily enough they changed their minds. We need the jobs to stay here, not be supporting others from other countries, American jobs should benefit Americans, regardless of their national origins, just as long as they are legal to work here in this country.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:27:46   #
padremike wrote:
She is a paragon of Progressive virtue:

Omar is Muslim and belongs to the Majeerteen clan from Northeastern Somalia. In 2002, she became engaged to Ahmed Hirsi (né Aden). The couple applied for a marriage license, but the application was not finalized. The couple had two children together before separating in 2008. The next year, Omar married Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, a British citizen. In 2011, she and Elmi had a faith-based divorce, and that year she reconciled with Hirsi, with whom she had a third child in 2012. In 2017, Elmi and Omar were legally divorced, and in 2018, Omar and Hirsi were legally married.They and their three children live in Minneapolis.
She is a paragon of Progressive virtue: br br Oma... (show quote)


Yes, my research came up with the same information, neither man was her brother, only the first has been claimed to be "her brother" even though he isn't related. There is a big difference between having children out of wedlock and marrying one's own brother, which she DIDN'T do.
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Mar 11, 2019 20:30:23   #
maryjane wrote:
No, I did not fail to consider that the current president says and does things many people dislike or disagree with. So do I. But there were many things the previous president said and did that I felt actually were harmful to our country. Disagreeing with any president's actions us just fine and most certainly part of a republic operating democratically. But the ugliness and virulent hatred that began during the Obama years has become something totally unacceptable, something so completely horrible that I wonder if our country will ever overcome it. I stand by my words. The horrible things I hear and read about people doing/saying out of pure hatred for this one man is simply beyond my understanding and unforgivable. I see him being blamed for EVERYTHING which is totally irrational thinking. No, on this, I am right, it is all wrong and unforgivable.
No, I did not fail to consider that the current pr... (show quote)


In my book, if you lie, you can't cry when someone points out that lie, if you make a r****t comment, you can't cry when someone points it out, if you get into bed with terrible dictators, you can't cry when someone points it out, anything he does that comes off shady, he can expect that it will be pointed out, if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't do/say that which is going to result in criticism. Obama had to deal with eight years of vicious attacks during his term, where was the bleeding hearts of the right during that period? Trump is barely 2 years into the criticism, some of which may be undeserved but the majority of it, well deserved. If he can't take the criticism that he has earned, then he should do better in avoiding having earned it.

The criticism that Obama received, Muslim, Kenyan, gay, crooked, liar among other things, was he Muslim? No, he was a Protestant. Was he born in Kenya? No, regardless what those too ignorant to acknowledge the t***h wish to say, he was born in Hawaii, even Trump admitted it when he saw the birth certificate for himself, before returning to the ugly lies later? Was Obama gay, no. Was he crooked? If you have proof, show some. Did he lie? I am sure everyone has told some in their lives, I am sure he told some too, there were some I know of for sure, I am sure they didn't start off as a lie, they turned into one when he failed to get the plan he wanted and at that point, he should have made amends, he didn't, that was on him, but he was honest in nearly everything else he stated. Trump on the other hand, he has worked hard nearly everyday to EARN his criticism, he lies deliberately, goes out of his way to discredit his own intelligence community, jump into bed with despots, criticize people with disabilities, American veterans politicians he doesn't like, main stream media...

The unwarranted h**e continues to this day against Obama, Hillary and just about any other Democrat that has made the mistake of making their existence known. You can't ask the one side to stop while condoning the hatred of those on your side.
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Mar 11, 2019 20:05:28   #
byronglimish wrote:
You should really quit the victim role, it's getting to be, boring, base and benign.

Good luck!


Victim? I am no victim, never have claimed to be a victim in this.
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Mar 11, 2019 20:03:40   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
No matter what, you will not take the time and put in the effort it requires to understand that a perjury trap does not require a lie or even an exaggeration, all it needs is for a prosecutor to make the claim and the person being attacked is forced to try and prove a negative, an impossible task. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Are you trying to support an agenda here?


Yes, it does, just because you are so delusional as to think it doesn't, that doesn't make it so. The prosecutor MUST have evidence to support their claim that you lie. They can't prove you lied if you didn't lie.
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Mar 11, 2019 19:31:31   #
maximus wrote:
We've been hearing that for going on 2 years. Here's some more....he's going down...it's over now...Mueller has him this time...won't be long now...you just wait and see...it's happening in April...May...August...December...February...March...here it comes...it's the end for Trump...etc, etc, etc.The list just keeps getting bigger.
Lonewolf, AOC is guilty of some of the same things that Trumps cabinet are convicted of, but there are no charges. Omar is guilty of blanant r****m and refuses to apologize, and she also married her brother to keep him in country, and Rashida Tlaib, who called Trump a mother f@@@er and said she would not apologize and always stand up for what is right, paid herself $175,000 out of campaign money.
Where is the outcry, the demands for resignations, the demands for apologies, the name calling? There are none...not a peep. These 3 are guilty of the same things that Trump is only accused of and 2 years of intense investigations have failed to produce ANY evidence, while evidence of their crimes are right out in the open!
Trump doesn't dream of McDonald's, but he DOES dream of a strong, unified America, with a constitution etched in stone, where every right and freedom is protected like it were $1,000,000, a place free of r****m and most importantly, free of terrorism.
I must assume that by you statement, you believe that a good America consists of throwing the man who holds the country in his heart out of office, while applauding 3 known criminals and allowing them to run the country, ( no learning curve allowed here, if they need a learning curve, they are not qualified to hold office).
Am I correct in that this is your idea of a good, strong America?
We've been hearing that for going on 2 years. Here... (show quote)


Tell me, why would you believe such a stupid conspiracy theory created by a right wing nut job? She married her brother to get him a green card? Please do tell me why she would do such a thing since if he WAS her brother, being her brother already qualifies him to apply for his own green card WITHOUT having to marry her. This is EXACTLY the reason many people, not just those on the left, consider the propaganda pushers from the right as ignorant, they don't stop to question the propaganda and conspiracy theories, consider whether or not they are true before they start promoting them themselves. Don't believe me that IF he WERE her brother, he already qualifies to apply for his OWN green card WITHOUT marrying his sister? Look for yourselves and enjoy your shame, https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/eligibility-categories.

If I were you, I would stop and consider the source, whether the story sounds fishy, what facts are offered to back the claim, In this case, the "brother" (Ahmed Nur Said Elmi) that she married, she wasn't even related to him brother or otherwise.

Interesting how many conspiracy theories the right has when the left, I have looked and looked, they have no left wing specific conspiracy theories that I can find, begs the question why there should be so many right wing conspiracy theories but none for the left, perhaps "righties" are more prone to believing in conspiracy theories and so pointless for any "lefty" conspiracy theories to be created.
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Mar 11, 2019 18:18:27   #
woodguru wrote:
I just got a shotgun that has invector chokes on the bird barrel, and a straight bore slug barrel with iron sights, I've been playing with 000/00/0 and #2 and #4 Buckshot for mountain lions and coyotes. The 00 and 000 buck is wicked on silhouette targets to ranges quite a bit beyond where I figure you could count on it. The high velocity slugs are accurate out to an easy 125 yards...

to heck with bird shot


He's talking about an inappropriate and h**eful image one of the "righties" posted where the gallows in the final round, all names in the contest appear to be Democrats Robert Mueller and I think I saw some they may consider rinos on the list of contenders. Nothing but h**e yet they like to claim "lefties" are the h**ers.
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Mar 11, 2019 18:13:57   #
woodguru wrote:
You mean a dialog about facts where the rebuttal depends on rhetoric without substantiated facts?


Exactly, there are a few on the right that respond with facts (some somewhat questionable considering the source but better than many responses their party spew), most reply with rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories, opinions and all too often, lies, insults, but Obama, but Hillary, but "insert Democrat name here"...
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Mar 11, 2019 18:08:42   #
maximus wrote:
I understand how you feel...I feel the same way. Lately, I have gotten tired of being called names for trying to debate on OPP. I'm on the side that you are accusing. I have never posted an anti l*****t thread to stir up trouble. The left does this all the time. It's funny to me that when I present facts, the other person gets triggered and smarts off or just ignores me. This has happened when I defended Christianity to someone who knew nothing about it, when I challenged a c*****e c****e anti-Trumper on facts that weren't facts at all, and when I tried to debate antagonistic threads by Roman Catholics ( usually titled something like...For All You Catholic H**ers), and like you, I'm a little tired of it.
However, I don't usually see conservatives throwing out insults on a first is worst basis, but in response to insults thrown AT them, such as has happened to me.
After being insulted over Catholic priests molesting kids ( called me a moronic i***t)and a liberal woman telling someone to mind their own business and stay out of a private conversation on an OPEN forum, I lost it and used foul language and received a 3 day suspension. I won't go into the examinations I did on myself. I intend to NOT insult anybody ever again on OPP.
I also get ignored. As a matter of fact, you and I had a private conversation going and I asked you to answer just one question and you never responded again. (Not meant as an insult)
MY point is, yes, I'm tired of the insults and cartoons and name calling, but it's 80/40 generated on your side of things.
The majority of insults thrown at liberals is due to long experience with people, such as Kevyn, who will start a thread with the most bizarre statements, unprovable and easily debunked. It is tiresome.
I wish both side would return to a debate status, but I won't ask conservatives to stop the insults after they have BEEN insulted.
I understand how you feel...I feel the same way. L... (show quote)


Really, so you never see Wolf counselor launch first strikes? NEVER? And the right does not ignore that which they don't wish to acknowledge, Wolf counselor is but one example, there are several others. How many derogatory variations of Republican do you see? now compare that to how many derogatory variations you see of Democrat. Yes, when you agree with the poster you don't pay attention to the h**e they spew.
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Mar 11, 2019 18:01:03   #
byronglimish wrote:
Factual information is not hatred!

There is this regressive soy boy philosophy now ingrained on the Prog l*****ts.

If a white man shows even a hint of testosterone in his delivery of speech, he is castigated as a bigot or r****t...this also goes for the people of color who stand on the Right.

The b****s are proclaimed as "Uncle Tom's" and worse.

Anything or Anybody who is fighting to save this Constitutional Republic is boldly spewed by the left as a h**er.

National p***e is condemned as just a white thing, it is not!

Most ultra l*****t males, have most unfortunately bowed to socialists and progressive s******nist's.

The fundamental change instituted by a man from Kenya is the core of the left.

He h**ed the United States more than his bigoted preacher...the rev. Wright, who said.."goddamn America!"
Factual information is not hatred! br br There i... (show quote)


Wow, so much rage and ignorance, may I recommend anger management and perhaps staying away from right wing propaganda and conspiracy theories?
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Mar 11, 2019 17:56:10   #
byronglimish wrote:
When you people present facts, t***h and unbiased reason!!!


Nope, I have many times presented facts and it ALWAYS gets ignored, facts straight from government sources, oh wait, I forgot, "deep state". Only goes to show, there IS no "legitimate sources" for those on the right unless it comes in the form of right wing propaganda and conspiracy theories..
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Mar 11, 2019 17:47:07   #
PJT wrote:
Common Sense...every GOP I know does NOT think SS is socialism.
Because you say Reps. Regard Soc. Sec. as socialism doesn't make it true.


Funny how Republicans are always threatening to cut it back if they KNOW that is is an earned benefit, not an entitlement. Are you saying that Republican politicians are deliberately trying to rob the elderly?

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-mcconnell-social-security-20181019-story.html
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