On October 7, 2023, Hamas k**led many Jews and kidnapped 207 others. (I attached a file that has all the victims, names and pictures)
Now, Israel is on a revenge mission against Hamas. It is well with in Israel's right to seek out the murderers and barbarians who committed an act, equal to what Hitler did during World War II.
But what I don't understand, and till this day, I still don't understand it, is the brutal murder and kidnapping of the Jews.
Jesus Christ is a direct descendant of Adam, the first man.
"Jesus Christ was the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Janna, the son of Joseph, the son of Mattathiah, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, the son of Maath, the son of Mattathiah, the son of Semei, the son of Joseph, the son of Judah, the son of Joannas, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmodam, the son of Er, the son of Jose, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonan, the son of Eliakim, the son of Melea, the son of Menan, the son of Mattathah, the son of Nathan, the son of David, the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon, the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God...." Luke 3:23-38
Now let's look at this in a different way:
God was the father of Adam, who was the father of Seth, who was the father of Enosh, who was the father of Cainan, who was the father of Mahalalel, who was the father of Jared, who was the father of Enoch, who was the father of Methuselah, who was the father of Lamech who the father of Noah..........now the Great Flood Occurred.
After the Flood, Noah was the father of Shem, who was the father of Arphaxad, who was the father of Cainan, who was the father of Shelah, who was the father of Eber, who was the father of Peleg, who was the father of Reu, who was the father of Serug, who was the father of Nahor, who was the father of Terah, who was the father of Abraham, who was the father of Issaac, who was the father of Jacob.
Now Jacob, wrestled all night with the angel of the Lord, who blessed Jacob with a name. Jacob's name was changed to "Israel---One who wrestles with God."
Thus, the Israel is born with the grandson of Abraham.
After the Egyptian Exile, Israel conquered what would later be called the holy land. It was here that the kingdom of Judah ruled Israel. David, and Solomon, ruled in wisdom, but after their death a great civil war occurred between Judah and the other eleven tribes of Israel. Ten of the tribes became known as Samaritans, while two of the tribes, Benjamin and Judah, were absorbed in the southern kingdom. When the Romans came across the southern tribes, they called them "Jews", from the tribe of Judah.
The Christians are born out of the tribe of Judah in the family of David as shown in the genealogy from the book of Luke as described above. Now, I stopped the genealogy at Jesus Christ for two reasons.
First, Jesus Christ, Son of David, Son of Israel, Son of Abraham, Son of Noah, Son of Adam, Son of God, ends the line of God's Priestly People. For no longer is there a blood line of the perfect Human being, this is because Jesus passes on to all Christians that right of blood line making all of us members of His family. And at each mass, He gives us his flesh and blood, to show that all humanity is connected to the royal family of God.
Second, Jesus completes the prophecy of Adam. Therefore, man is made whole by Jesus Christ. Thus, the new and the old are renewed in the family of God.
I know First and Second are just philosophical and theological, but to complement the philosophical and theological we can thus understand now, that Modern Man is older than Neanderthal Man and Cro-Magnon man. To cure this physical discrepancy, Jesus unites all of Man, through his body and blood, through his life death and resurrection on the cross the family of man, that was poisoned by the angels, is united in Christ. This is a scientific fact. But my question does not include this fact, which is a rabbit hole, that will take centuries to argue. Therefore, let's just leave this point alone for now.
The Muslims declare that they too are descendants from Abraham, just like Israel is. This is not deniable, for they are descendants of Ishmael, Issac's older brother. Thus, in this author's opinion, this is why the Sunnis can and do try to make peace with both Christians and Jews. However, it is the Shiites that seek the destruction of the Jews. Why, I can only speculate.
I don't know much about the Shiites off shoot of the Muslim faith. But I do know about the Sunnis.
What I do witness however, is the strictness of the Shiites, are following in the footsteps of Nimrod, King of Babel. The same Nimrod who it is thought of that k**led Noah over the garments of Adam and Eve. The same Nimrod whose wife/mother called herself ISIS and her son/husband (Nimrod) Baal. Baal is the Babylonian Sun God, where ISIS is the Babylonian Moon god.
The reason, I can say with certain terms that this is happening today, is by the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah, and ISIS.
Israel in its whole history from the time Jacob wrestled with the angel, until present day, shows a people who come and go from God. Even when Israel murdered their God's only Son, they were punished by the Romans, in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Even Saint James tried to intercede in their destruction.
But regardless of their history, no group of human people, let them be Christian or Jew, Muslim or Palestinian, should their men, women, or children be beheaded, burned alive, raped, murdered, or taken captive. This is what had occurred in World War II as well as October 7 of this year.
Regardless of any argument that Hamas, Hezbollah or Palestine comes up with to Justify the brutality of October 7, the fact still remains, How can a human being do that barbery against another human being? And if they can, then in the Law of Moses and the Rite of Jesus Christ, then the same shall be done to them...
Did I get anything wrong?
Sonny Magoo wrote:
The Biblical ignorance on this site is appalling.
God help us. Even you who call yourselves Christian.
..and get rid of that Scofield
The bible is "basic instructions before leaving earth"
With that being said, the theme of the Bible is how the children of God are to live with each other.
The book called the Bible is made up of ancient writings, wisdom and understanding to better change the maturity of the human person to achieve the goal of peace as well as other principles so we as humans can live in paradise in peace, joy and love.
The Hebrews, the Israelites, the Sameritians, Jews, and Christians are all part of the same family of modern man.
These people of God, welcomes the Egyptians, Greeks, and Arabs to the family.
This is religious, from Abraham to Christ, we as children of God welcomes all human beings to this family.
With that being said, and declared....when a human being or a group of human beings become so barbaric that instead of siding with humanity, they side with the rebellious angels and seek the murder and destruction of modern man, religion goes out the window.
This is most pronounced when you look at the Bible when ancient Israel's enemies smitten each other in the land of Canaan.
God commanded David to smite the Hittites, and Ammonites, as well as the Philistines. David failed to do so and the ancient temptations of these three groups plagued the kingdom of Israel until this very day.
In time ancient Israel was converted to the Christians, who spread the word of God to the whole world. Whereas, Israel remained as the priests of humanity.
But as was shown, in a previous post, Christ under the authority of Melchezadeck, created a new priestly people, outside that of the Moses priest Aaron. Both still apply.
But this is a belief and history of the heritage of modern man. However, this does not excuse the actions of Hitler, isis, or Hamas.
Modern man is in a fight for its survival today.
Enemies of humanity take all forms of evil to convince modern man that life is hopeless and the only logical conclusion is the death of man.
This deception is false, modern man must survive. Begining with Adam, and consecrated by Christ, modern man is the greatest creation of all creation.
We as humans, are man, angel and God. As part of all three, we control our fate.
But when man examines all three to such an extreme man goes mad and attempts to destroy himself.
Thus, God gave us Christ, so we can preserve our humanity. Therefore, when man becomes rabbit, like Hitler, Isis, and Hamas has become, it is the right of humanity to cut them off of the right to life.
In other words for Israel to wipe Hamas off the face of the earth for crimes against humanity, they are well with in their right.
It matters not who owns the land, for Israel gave to Palestine, the Gaza strip. And Hamas murdered in the greatest terms of barbaric terms, slaughtered 3000 peaceful Israeli civilians celebrating life.
Whose at fault now.
Blade_Runner wrote:
You don't seem to understand the power of religious beliefs.
Your dismissal of the Bible as merely a dictionary is naive at best, ignorant at worst.
It is critical to understand that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (in that order) are the only monotheistic religions on earth and that Yahweh (Biblical) made a Covenant with Abraham, the patriarch of all three.
Moreover, collectively, the three Abrahamic religions have a much greater influence on human affairs than all other polytheist and pagan religions combined.
Hamas, and all other Islamic terrorist groups, are on a mission from Allah,
it is their religion that built them and drives them.
As the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, Imam Hassan al-Banna wrote, In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah in the preamble of the The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,
just as it obliterated others before it"
(The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
Yahweh is the Biblical God, the Israelites (Hebrews, Jews) believe in him, have faith in Him, worship Him, pray to Him, sing praises to Him, thank Him. Therefore, when Yahweh speaks, they listen.
The land is in the Torah - Numbers - The scrolls of Torah are read in synagogue, the Torah is the source of prayers and supplications during Shabbat, at the Wailing Wall, and all the feasts.
Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Command the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land of Canaan, this is the land that shall fall to you as an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to its borders. Your southern sector shall extend from the wilderness of Zin along the side of Edom, and your southern border shall extend from the end of the [Dead Sea] eastward. Then your border shall turn direction from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim and continue to Zin, and its termination shall be to the south of Kadesh-barnea; and it shall reach Hazaraddar and continue to Azmon. The border shall turn direction from Azmon to the brook of Egypt, and its termination shall be at the sea. As for the western border, you shall have the [Mediterranean Sea], that is, its coastline; this shall be your west border. And this shall be your north border: you shall draw your border line from the Great Sea to Mount Hor. You shall draw a line from Mount Hor to the Lebo-hamath, and the termination of the border shall be at Zedad; and the border shall proceed to Ziphron, and its termination shall be at Hazar-enan. This shall be your north border. For your eastern border you shall also draw a line from Hazar-enan to Shepham, and the border shall go down from Shepham to Riblah on the east side of Ain; and the border shall go down and reach to the slope on the east side of the Sea of Chinnereth. And the border shall go down to the Jordan and its termination shall be at the Salt Sea. This shall be your land according to its borders all around.'” So Moses commanded the sons of Israel, saying, “This is the land that you are to apportion by lot among you as a possession, which the LORD has commanded to give to the nine and a half tribes.” Numbers 34:1-13
IOW, in the mind and heart and spirit of Jews, Christians, and Muslims, Yes, this is a religious war.
Which renders your entire scenario irrelevant.
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Whoa Blade, great post, however, I don't dismisß the bible, if I did I wouldn't have started the thread years ago in '14, the thread called, Praying for America through a psalm of David. Therefore, you have preached to the choir...lol
Now, establishing whose land it is, is truly a hard one. Yes it is true, the map posted above belongs to the Israelites, but Israelis may or may not be Israelites you know what I mean?
As far as the Jews, (a Latin name for Judah) Jerusalem belongs to them, as the north belongs to the Samaritans. After the death of Solomon, ancient Israel went through a great civil war. The result was two kingdoms, Samaria to the north, and Judah in the south. That is where we get the Jews and Samaritans.
That being said, through Jesus Christ the two were reunited as Israelites through Christianity. In the Bible, we find that this occured. Notice how there was no such thing as Palestinians until after the fall of the ottoman empire.
The reason why I separated the bible and current events is to show humanity before bringing philosophy.
With or without religion, with or without the bible, the acts of Hamas must come to justice.
Incidentally, how many children of Germany died because of Hitler's N**i party, in their sins against the Jews?
During world war II, no one said, "oh the poor German people, tell Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin, to cease fire...the poor Germans", no the allies marched to Berlin and took out the N**is.
Today the demon of Hitler and his N**is have possessed Hamas and Hezbollah. This is where you blade are correct, the enemies of Hitler, the N**is, Hamas and Hezbollah is the God of Israel! Now that is biblical!
Another thing that is biblical is the ancient haunting of that land. Being a Jew is a blessing and a curse, the same holds true for Christians as well.
In 70 AD Christ's prophecy about that current generation came true. But God's people, left Palestine before that both Christians and Jews and moved north. Into Greece, then Macedonian, and into Russia, the Baltic states, Poland and eastern Europe.
And it was there that Hitler, and his N**is exterminated them, in the Holocaust. But God would rescue them and the allies defeated the N**is. But these victims, were displaced, so the allies brought them back home to modern Israel.
Since 1948, the Israelis had to fight for their existence, nothing has changed. Palestine welcomes the Jews, but dispises the Z*****t movement. It was the Z*****t not the Jews that abused Palestinians. And it is that abuse the Palestinians complain about.
But none of this grants Hamas a justification to do to the Jews what Hitler and the N**is have done. It is that action that needs to be solved. Since Hamas is now guilty of Hitler's crime, now they must have Hitler's fate.
Does that make sense? You with me?