Why thank you for the technical site lesson AuntiE.... BUT this comment was adressed to the general public.... Not anyone in particular, It was a comment that required no reply.... However this post is in direct response to your post, If you have noticed I have used the quote reply key at this time....Your condescending arrogance does not hide your insecurity and that is a shame, some of your posts may have something to offer.

I think that maybe we should just not go to war, no police bull or economic gain crap, We have become a war like nation, Thats why we are broke, War should only be used as a last resort! Then if and only if we are FORCED into a war it should be fast, efficient and merciless, This way maybe it wont happen too often.

This has the potential to be a very funny post, :mrgreen:

A lot of deregulation after the millennium, a lot of lazy politicians letting big insurance make the rules , do a search on healthcare costs , 20 year chart, Then if you really want to shock yourself check out the chart for projected costs over the next 20 years vs average income, than if that hasn't pushed you over the edge... compare the healthcare usa to other countries, that one may ruin your night

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Big Mike, back in 2010 the ACA let the FDA move ahead on many drugs for price and availability to the american people, prior to this it was up to the insurance co and old laws written by the insurance cos on what they would pay for,

Now we are getting somewhere, this is the message that needs to get out to both sides, WE THE PEOPLE / NOT CITIZENS UNITED

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You people are very fortunate to be talking about simple 2 figure medical costs , 45$ for anything is a joke in health care costs, The 800k came from 1 year of chemo not from the Atlantic, plus the 50k that was not covered by my policy, I was never sick for the first 50 years of my life so I was totaly clueless to health care costs,I am very sorry to hear of you health problems, and while you credit ACA even though it not in force yet, I am glad you got the necessary care. Now if you were say 65 or so, the ACA will not be so keen to keep you alive, they have to ration health care to care for i******s, deadbeats, and indigents. If it was not for Obamacare I would be dead. Because some of the changes in new drug provision of ACA my totaly for profit health ins co would not have paid 28k per month toward my bill, That would have been hard to do for 3 years being self employed with 2 kids in collage. Fact is that most personal bankurptcys and forclosures are from medical costs. Not a good a track record for the best country in the world, The same drug in Canada costs 2300.00 not 28,000.00 per dose. health care has been a major problem for decades in America simply because of capitalism $.... So you don't feel health care providers deserve to make a living? How are they supposed to pay for their education and training? I don't know about you, but I want the best doctor available in my immediate area working on me. Oh, how silly of me, you want more taxes to pay for doctors education and training, so they can work for a minimum wage. You want a system like Britain's and Canada's where if they schedule 100 by-pass operation if they hit number 100 before the year is up you are s**t out of luck until next year. That is if you are not deemed a viable patient and are put on the death program, or if you qualify and there are not too many ahead of you so you miss the cut again and all of that assumes you live long enough to eventually get your by-pass surgery. The hospitals in the northern tier states are usually covered up by Canadians coming here where they can get the needed care. Is that what you want? a for profit medical system, Profit over people! I am a true capitalist at heart, I make my money from services I provide... free enterprise... than pay my share from the profits... No free lunch here... Pure Capitalism in health care is a crime against humanity in this day and age in the wealthiest country in the world, Is the ACA perfect.. NO... but its sure better than dont get sick & die fast if you do or the Ryan plan. Now how about politics over people, The health care act has been in the works for decades, From both sides of the isle, It takes the best concepts from both sides... bipartisan...but the too sides can not come together and share the credit... It has to be one side takes all...Just like kids fighting in the playground while sick people die over MONEY. You can point your finger at social or public issues and brand it socialism but what do do call profts over people? You say you have your own business, I assume you make a profit, it that not right? What's your profit margin? Most health issurance companies profit margins are around 6% so it's not like their profits are beyond the pale. Don't you get mad when you buy electronics where the margins are 700-800%, does that not bother you? There's an example of price gouging and I hear no complaints from the public. here is some food for thought.... If you derive your income from tax dollars than you are a pure socialist, This includes all gov, fed, state, local jobs and all military (The military doesn't count) & contractors, It is the free capitalists that pay for it all, Sure we all pay in to the system but the math does not work if your income comes from tax dollars, Think about it.Not everyone pays, some get money back and pay no taxes, the takers are overwhelming the makers. I would suggest you donate all of your wealth to support the ACA,socialized heath care and do not force me to support it. Being taxed to support such government programs in nothing more than mandated s***ery.

Good deal Yank, several issues to cover here.... Some parts of the ACA started in 2010 just not all yet, The current system provides care for all people,Remember Reagan, so the high costs need to be covered either way. its not the health care providers< doctors & nurses> that make the big bucks its the hospitals, insurance cos and pharma cos..... All large corps that rake in the profits, Some examples: my local hospital in hiding bought a 750k ct scan machine, it services 20 people per day 5 days a week @ between 2- 8k a clip.... you do the rest of the math. United Insurance co had a 2.1 billion dollar profit in their health care last quarter and are going to raise premiums 3% because they can. they are one just 1 of 100s of health insurance cos that all show big profits. Now as far as do get mad over 800% profits on electronics... Hell NO....No one dies over what TV they buy or what they can pay for it. How can you even make that point between the two industries.Pure capitalism just like pure socialism does not fit everywhere. I don't know where you got your 6% profits on health insurance but I will research it. A real public healthcare option would force the billion dollar profit insurance guys to compete thats the problem, its far more profitable to lobby than compete. Is this the kind of capitalism you so cherish. Also notice the word OPTION. Lots of Canadians come over for face lifts and plastic surgery, services that aren't covered in Canada. Next issue... The military doesn't count.... Why?.... its a third of our total budget please explain,.... Yank you often reference s***ery .... Its Big industry calling the shots not our gridlocked Gov... The way I see it, Big industry is coming from the right, Show me where I am wrong...

You people are very fortunate to be talking about simple 2 figure medical costs , 45$ for anything is a joke in health care costs, The 800k came from 1 year of chemo not from the Atlantic, plus the 50k that was not covered by my policy, I was never sick for the first 50 years of my life so I was totaly clueless to health care costs, If it was not for Obamacare I would be dead. Because some of the changes in new drug provision of ACA my totaly for profit health ins co would not have paid 28k per month toward my bill, That would have been hard to do for 3 years being self employed with 2 kids in collage. Fact is that most personal bankurptcys and forclosures are from medical costs. Not a good a track record for the best country in the world, The same drug in Canada costs 2300.00 not 28,000.00 per dose. health care has been a major problem for decades in America simply because of capitalism $.... a for profit medical system, Profit over people! I am a true capitalist at heart, I make my money from services I provide... free enterprise... than pay my share from the profits... No free lunch here... Pure Capitalism in health care is a crime against humanity in this day and age in the wealthiest country in the world, Is the ACA perfect.. NO... but its sure better than dont get sick & die fast if you do or the Ryan plan. Now how about politics over people, The health care act has been in the works for decades, From both sides of the isle, It takes the best concepts from both sides... bipartisan...but the too sides can not come together and share the credit... It has to be one side takes all...Just like kids fighting in the playground while sick people die over MONEY. You can point your finger at social or public issues and brand it socialism but what do do call profts over people? here is some food for thought.... If you derive your income from tax dollars than you are a pure socialist, This includes all gov, fed, state, local jobs and all military & contractors, It is the free capitalists that pay for it all, Sure we all pay in to the system but the math does not work if your income comes from tax dollars, Think about it.

Oldroy, How about a fact finding shoot out ... Al VS Rush...Who can twist reality to the breaking point & misinform the American people the most :thumbup:

Ok Oldroy, I get it now , I thought you asked if I was hiding because you were missing me

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Nice plan Yank, Cash & carry..... But what about all the 100s of thousand sick people should we just let them die? Not everyone is a rich capitalist like you who could pull 800k out of his pocket if they got sick in the few years it took to drop the costs, Fella the terrorists couldn't come up with something that efficient in k*****g Americans... good job.

Nice try Yank, it was Reagan that made hospitals except everyone, now lets try again :thumbup: And the gang of lefties that drafted almost all of the health care act had 3 reps and 3 dems on it, it was not till Mitch McConnell pulled the plug ending all bipartisan support because of the individual mandate, there was like a billion hours of this on cspan in 09

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Nice one oldroy, that is a crime defrauding the American people like that, 69 mill that should put us over the edge on spending this year and I bet they were all left wing pinkos and Obama forced them to do it. What's your point... did you forget that Cheaney lead us to war with the wrong country knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction while his partner in crime lowered taxes ,Mostly for the wealthy, what was the cost of all that? Now you want to nitpick over 69 million, At least the welfare thieves had some fun at disney but the kids that went to Iraq, not much fun there. Just what is your point oldroy? They are both a disgrace to our country as I see it, one being a bit more severe than the other.

Sorry Oldroy I was enjoying some more right wing dripple on another site, Anyhow back to the issue, I don't hide anywhere never had to, and as far as the geographical location goes...... California is just about the furthest state away from my home, The Atlantic is my ocean and I see it every day.

Ever heard of politifact or Fact check, Look it up then read it & weep, I think Rush is very funny in his opinions and outlook, I often listen to him on the ride home, I listen to John Stewart also, I think they are both good comedy, Oh what about Stephen colbert and glenn beck, I hope this is not your source of news, Ever wonder why Fox news has to argue with late night comedians and often loose.? Misinformation is a very dangerous thing. Check the facts before you form your opinions. its not real hard to figure out what Rush is selling.