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Dec 14, 2023 18:02:55   #
Bad Bob wrote:
What is the complete quote?


Here is the pdf link

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:5ba09715-9be9-4d1d-a538-92ffe4b16e52
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Dec 14, 2023 17:57:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can v**e in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)


Honest question,
Which political man would you trust?
Which modern day president has not been found corrupted, morality in the ditch.
Kennedy had affairs among other findings (compared to today's democrats, Kennedy would be considered a compromising right wing extremist)
Nixon had Watergate
Clinton had affairs and a dozen other corruption events
Bushes, corrupt wars and much more corruption (g*******ts)
Obama, $ 400,000 per year, owned no large money making businesses, but has hundreds of millions in waterfront homes....we know he took or was paid untold millions, suspiciously for policies/agenda.
Trump, he has pulled some corrupt dozies with his businesses, some executed by his Vp's or managers but if he didn't know, he should have (the buck stops here. Stormy Daniel's, yep that was a bad one. However 12 women claimed sexual abuse/rape but then discovered their mortgages paid off, and/or recieved tens/hundred thousand plus to make false claims (what's true??) Biden, there is evidence (no conviction) like Trump of massive corruption.
To make my point, anyone chosen or v**ed for in congress/senate/p**********l is or will be corrupt, there may be someone 100% clean background, cannot be corrupted, but then they are not running for office.
What's our choice? When the time comes to v**e, it's not the v**er in most cases being immoral with their v****g choice, it is the v**er choosing which immoral corrupt one will (hopefully) make choices that are in Americans best interest, will follow through with some or most policies they campaigned on.
Trump had policies I despised, don't personally care for him, do like over a hundred good polices....he wasn't a dictator, depending on party, seems the only answer is, the lessor of the evils in the world we live in.
I'll end this reply with, our leaders over the last 60-80 years, mostly the last , since Bush senior have driven America over a cliff and regardless whom takes office, cannot reverse the slow collapse to what I believe will become a fast collapse.
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Dec 14, 2023 14:20:12   #
Haski123 wrote:
Ditto:
Trump was not found guilty of J6 yet, but, 1000’s of his followers were charged and 100’s convicted for J6.
Trump is convicted of fraud(Trump University scandal, & NY -summary conviction determining penalties), Trump convicted of defamation and sexual abuse-Jean Carroll. Trump has numerous indictments pending.
Your view that 144,000 hours of video vindicated Trump with J6 trial still pending and numerous J6 convictions to date-I would set your statement is premature and opinionated at best.
The 30-36 v****g machine found hooked to modems was in Feb of 2020 , prior to e******n, officials were notified and most if not all were requested to be disconnected or e******n would not be certified. 35 is like one or two large cities-cities in question were audited or count verified to paper b****ts-conspiracy theory. D******n said they didn’t hook them up to units unless asked local governments to speed communications or results which was deemed inappropriate.
Mathematics shows irregularities, there are irregularities in ever e******n, but initial certification of process as sound, audits, recounts pre and post validation of results from machine counts to manual indicated NO FRAUD or IRREGULARITIES that would change 2020 e******n results.
After three plus years of no proof of e******n being stolen from Trump, D******n reaching huge out of court settlement with Fox for defamation, numerous lawyers and Trump litigation pending you need to accept the facts Trump lost a legitimate certified e******n!
Ditto: br Trump was not found guilty of J6 yet, bu... (show quote)



144000 hours prove false convictions and majority arrested, never entered the capital.
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Dec 14, 2023 14:14:25   #
WEBCO wrote:
You keep talking about court cases for v***r f***d in 2020 but fail to show any documentation or proof. So please prove your statement or quit spewing the lie, please.


Right, had there been an actual court case, evidence, trial, it would have been televised 24/7 weeks/months before the trial, during the trial, and ever since the trial.
Which media would be 24/7 covering the trial? Depends on what experts had predicted the outcome.
Had evidence been looked at as a winning outcome, Newsmax, OAN 24/7 or a loss CNN,MSN 24/7 but one-sided would be mostly silent, except to spin.
Just one problem, there were zero court cases.
Fact check, Mike Lindell a millionaire, but was dirt poor to be able to fight his case, he would have lost every cent, as the opposing party drained him.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:59:09   #
biffisbuff wrote:
I think the prices of gasoline is dependent on where you live...the comments I made in regards to Clinton is his agenda and tax/business was the last time that more cash came in to the Treasury then went out....so your a research hawk eh?... research your boy trump with what is true....he learned how to be like he is from Roger Cohen a mob attorney...you have tried to make the case of your hero is entirely going to bat for the good of the people....that is straight up b.s....its all about the ego of trump.... remember all those tariffs he put on Chinese goods?... didn't do nothing and actually caused farmers to not be able to get their soybeans to sell....and no body won . But all those electronics we were paying a few hundred dollars for decent flat screen TV.... almost overnight the price doubled....you want to cry about gas ?... maybe you have a gas hog,,idk....but this is certain ... c*****e c****e is real...there is not infinite amount of Petro in the ground and putting carbon up in the air at the same rate we have been is going to be more catastrophic than we have seen already....I believe science not a bunch of nay sayers that have no clue
I think the prices of gasoline is dependent on whe... (show quote)



Your right, gas prices are dependent on geography. Such as California, Washington state, because of greedy taxes.

Farmers in America sold nearly 80% of soybeans to the highest bidder, China. As a result, America is/has running out of soybean oil. That flavored creamer Americans love so much taste different, because they had to use a vegetable oil instead of the original recipe calling for soybean oil.
Corn crops were down, but again China is filling their warehouses to the tops and Americans left with coming expanded Shortages.
To-date, our warehouses (food) are near empty.
Who negotiates the sell (price) of American agriculture/cattle to China? Our government and who is in charge of our government? The Biden Administration
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Dec 14, 2023 13:56:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing political fact checking. Facts are facts, alternate facts are lies,
With different groups checking most are consistent, they are all accurate ( unless their info the source is c*********d). How many fact checker levels would make you believe?
They also state sources and how they get info, once they start making conclusions or interpretation they would then go beyond just facts.

Example: Trump told us C***d is under control only a few cases and it will go away. At same time he told Bob Woodward this is serious people can die. These two statements don’t match . Facts are he said opposite things to two groups at the same time. Both statements are factually made, one was a known lie at the time.
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing politica... (show quote)



Who told you fact checkers are reliable?
I'm shocked the NY times (left biased) wrote this.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-t***h-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/

And this

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/fact-check-fact-checkers-falsely-claim-they-are-fact-checkers

Another

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

I was being kind suggesting alternative news, these often bust fact checkers and as I stated, Mainstream media be it, left or right do lie and lie often, also state "fact checked" only later to learn, the fact check site they used, never actually fact checked but only did a cursory biased check.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:39:04   #
Haski123 wrote:
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding source for changes happening and what level is good or evil, what level is acceptable or not in a democratic republic and then what can be done to change to more positive flow is a tough question.
To put the burden on Government and Government leaders I don’t think is the entire answer. Ancient Rome tried to regulate morality it didn’t work then and trying to do that now I don’t feel will work either.
I don’t have the answer. I just try to listen, learn, research understand and lead and demonstrate my beliefs by my words and actions.
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding sourc... (show quote)


America for the greater part used the ten commandments as a moral guide.
Fast forward today, the newer generation's, follow an individual moral standard, not a herd moral standard.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:35:06   #
JFlorio wrote:
it's a matter of percentages dumb a**. Republicans by a wide majority v**e in person and Democrats by a wide majority v**e early and by mail.


V**e early and by mail and OFTEN
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Dec 14, 2023 13:33:55   #
Haski123 wrote:
Additional response:
Your source Blaze is a far right ultra conservative bias and is an opinion article by one of Blaze writers.
That said I read it read both left and right media articles and some MSM sources and decide where t***h credibility exists.



Watching Fox, OAN, NEWS MAX, then CNN, MSN, ABC,NBC,CBS and deciding the t***h is kinda what I used to do, but extremely unreliable, because of personal bias.
Looking at alternative news that more often than not, reports on specific issues or events and often quotes from the horses mouth, (unedited) audio/video, government sites using statistics the mainstream media ignores to spin a (believable) narrative.
Example; economic, food Shortages, live farmers interviews about the tens of millions fowl/cattle/pigs culled for disease but never tested for disease and farmers paid over market prices, in the war (Biden Administration) against farmers/ranchers, in the name of green houses cases.
Not a peep in mainstream media, or at best a 20 second "Chickens found with bird flu culled for public safety" without conformation, investigation, just passing on what is written in their script.
You want facts, turn off propaganda TV news and begin finding alternative news.
FYI; Alternative news, does not equal conspiracy theories, but when put out in discussions, sure sounds like it, since mainstream has its own narratives and often the t***h is just to unbelievable.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:18:09   #
martsiva wrote:
'Freedom and liberty loving Americans' is the last thing you want and prove it everyday with your socialist posts!! Freedom loving Americans get to keep their hard earned money and not be forced to give it to those who do not work!! Cheer on Putin? NO -cheer on not sending money to another country that we don`t have that you support!! YOU move since you are so unhappy with our Republic!! Move to c*******t China where you belong!!!



Had no money gone to Zelensky, Crimea goes to Russia and a peace deal agreement.
Biden pushed for war and declined every opportunities to make peace.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:14:55   #
keepuphope wrote:
I can't remember which president said If we do this for the b****s they will be v****g Democrat for years to come. He was right, his actions did just that and devastated the black families totally. Same tactic for letting i******s in. They have a plan to warp speed their citizenship and guess what? My opinion. And if a couple thousand criminals come in and k**l americans well that's the way it goes.


The same minds like that of activist Margaret Sanger, opened a******n clinics in black neighborhoods (none found in white populations) and quoted "for the removal of b****s " (paraphrased)
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Dec 14, 2023 12:53:35   #
facts matter wrote:
Facts aren't opinion, they're facts. I gave you what you asked for.


No you did not, good try.
Fact checkers? Useless and in fact, the number one fact checker site quoted, is a husband and wife, working from home, not a team digging through thousand of pages of documents, or traveling to archives, interviewing and vetting witnesses.
Google has its place, but even Google is filled with f**e propaganda.
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Dec 14, 2023 12:44:36   #
Haski123 wrote:
Trumps own words in his taped interview ( and book)with Bob Woodward highlights lies Trump Knowing told citizens when he told Bob he just didn’t want to worry citizens. Many more there, in WSJ, Politico and other fact checkers, Trump continues to lie today on many things especially the “ stolen e******n **e” which Trump is indicted for for trying to steal. Let’s see how that plays out in court.
Empirical evidence is facts not conspiracy theories or “ alternate facts”, assessments, views and opinions based on facts should be accurate, those with no supporting facts are questionable. You show me facts and I consider, you state partisan Biased conspiracy theories, then questionable.
Problem I have is facts against MAGA are deemed all f**e news, l*****t source, untrue vs facts are facts believe them. Here’s some “empirical data”:
Does Trump lie yes. Does Biden lie yes. Does Trump lie much more than Biden yes- facts, all various fact checkers agree.
Is Trump ranked by historians 41st of 45 presidents who have held office- yes that’s a fact, they use the same criteria. MAGA will same they are biased, all left wingers, wrong- but they use same criteria and support with actual accomplishments while in office. Even if they were 50% off Trump would be average at best. Will be interesting where they put Biden when his term or terms a President are over. Check it out. Obama ranked much higher than Trump by historians.
Trumps own words in his taped interview ( and book... (show quote)



Did I miss something, was Trump found guilty of J6?
Oh wait, 144,000 hours of evert inch inside and outside, cameras of the capital, vindicated Trump.
Was Trump found guilty of lying about e******n f***d?
Wait, the found 30 v****g systems connected to modems, but d******n says there machines cannot be connected to the internet.
Forensic audit t
Released shows mathematical impossibility of irregularities, v**es turned from Trump to Biden.

Wake up from your darkness
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Dec 14, 2023 12:37:07   #
Haski123 wrote:
I’ve told you numerous times it’s a catalog ( 5 million words)and sent you access information. Do a little leg work yourself before you start name calling and making miss statements about “ left post a lie”. It’s out there look it up, too much to cut and paste.

Here is the reference again:
When The Washington Post Fact Checker team first started cataloguing President Donald Trump’s false or misleading claims, we recorded 492 suspect claims in the first 100 days of his presidency. On Nov. 2 alone, the day before the 2020 v**e, Trump made 503 false or misleading claims as he barnstormed across the country in a desperate effort to win ree******n.
This astonishing jump in falsehoods is the story of Trump’s tumultuous reign. By the end of his term, Trump had accumulated 30,573 unt***hs during his presidency — averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day.
What is especially striking is how the tsunami of unt***hs kept rising the longer he served as president and became increasingly unmoored from the t***h.
Trump averaged about six claims a day in his first year as president, 16 claims day in his second year, 22 claims day in this third year — and 39 claims a day in his final year. Put another way, it took him 27 months to reach 10,000 claims and an additional 14 months to reach 20,000. He then exceeded the 30,000 mark less than five months later.

Read our full report on the database.
See the pace of Trump’s false claims in this amazing visual graphic.
Visit the Trump claims database website and explore it. The database has an extremely fast search engine that will quickly locate suspect statements made by Trump. Readers can also isolate claims by time period, subject or venue.

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The fact checks in the database amount to about 5 million words and many include links to sources that debunk Trump’s statements.
The Trump claims database was nominated by the Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute at New York University for inclusion in a list of the Top Ten Works of Journalism of the Decade. “The project is a sterling example of what journalists should do — holding the powerful accountable by using reporting and facts,” the nomination said.

Or you can look up on internet search: WSJ Trump lies catalog
I’ve told you numerous times it’s a catalog ( 5 mi... (show quote)



So who is fact checking, the fact checkers. Oh, because they said they fact checked?
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Dec 14, 2023 01:51:31   #
Marty 2020 wrote:
I’m still waiting for 100 lies, most of the examples are not lies at all but common talking points but there’s some that are outright lies on your part because they are true!



I have asked the same question, the reply are always the same (fact checker) NY times, Washington post links, all with the same media spin and lies. Given Trump's thousands of tweets, network interviews, ect... it would be logical to post his lies from any of these televised events and tweets, but l*****t cannot find even 10 lies of the thousands of hours Trump spoke on recorded audio/video/tweets.

You're as guilty as I am, replying to nitwit and expecting one day, just one l*****t, will accept empirical evidence....just once.
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