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Jun 19, 2019 11:53:52   #
mosteen12 wrote:
That sounds nice, but not very realistic. The Country is so polarized that I think it's past the point of being able to bridge the gap. A second civil war is coming. Instead of the North vs the South the war will be Right vs Left or better worded the Patriots vs the C*******ts.


I won't allow them to give the left that false title, none of us should, that would be them winning with their lies. Where do they deserve that title over the rest of us. I would in return in kind not to call them Patriots, but rather t*****rs.
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Jun 19, 2019 11:40:45   #
JoyV wrote:
Socialism can be an economic system as well as political system. But is not first and foremost an economic system. The most critical defining characteristic has to do with property. Is the property privately own and controlled, publicly owned and controlled by the government (c*******m), or somewhere in between (socialism). For example, in N**I Germany, property which had been privately owned and controlled before the N**Is, were often still left in the hands of the former owners (unless they were of one of the undesirables of the state) but controlled by the government. The former owners were more like managers as it could be taken away at any time and given to another with no compensation. This included ALL types of property! It included the home you lived in, any land you used for crops or pasture, livestock, industry and business, even musical compositions and works of art as well as the tools you use to make them. It even included ideas if they were acted upon. If they could have, they would have controlled your thoughts, but they settled for shaping your thoughts. This is far more than economics!

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory t***sitional between capitalism and c*******m and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Under the N**Is, definition 1 and 2 were totally in compliance with the definitions. Definition 3 would have to eliminate the words "Marxist" and "t***sition" to be in compliance with that definition. In other words, 'A stage in society between capitalism and c*******m.'
Socialism can be an economic system as well as pol... (show quote)


Show me one socialist country without a fundamental government, run strictly by socialism, go ahead, this does not mean that they identify themselves as socialists, know the differences. They will be socialists under a specific government. If I'm wrong you will have enlightened me today.

Also aside from that show me in the past where it has not been forced upon the people. Did you notice you referred to N**i Germany, and what were they, how were the governed? Not by socialism.

Socialism is now being redefined into different groups, one being democratic.
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Jun 19, 2019 09:35:28   #
JoyV wrote:
Yes he manipulated German's Nationalism. There is no doubt of that in my mind. But it wasn't Nationalism which led to death camps, conquest of other countries, or violation of treaties and alliances. These are NOT examples of Nationalism. He USED the peoples Nationalism. The actions he committed were not done out of Nationalism.

You write as if F*****m were NOT socialism. It is one type of socialism, no matter how much revisionist history the left has committed. There are several types of socialism. There is C*******m which is one extreme form of socialism. At the other extreme is the mild form of socialism--Democracy. There is Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats, National Socialists, and others. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, t***slated is, National Socialist German Workers' Party; better known as N**I. Includes the words "National" and "German", which indicates Nationalism; and "Socialist" and "Workers", which indicates Socialism. If you read Hitler quotes from before and during his reign, he clearly states again and again that he and the party are socialist. Many use the fact that there was enmity between the National Socialists, and the C*******ts; to indicate the N**Is were opposed to socialism. Not true. Each type of socialist felt theirs to be the right kind of socialism. I hope I don't offend anyone with this comparison, but think of the antagonism and historical violence between different branches of Christian religion. That they are opposed to each other does not mean one is of a Christian religion and the other is not.

Name when and how Trump pits different American groups against each other.

Did he call half of Americans deplorable? Did he attend a memorial service for cops who died protecting Americans and use the podium to speak of police r****m and police brutality? He said, “Police officers use oppressive and abusive” tactics of a “broken and racially biased system” On other occasions he said cops use racial profiling. He said, "You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.... The African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away." This statement not only stoke fear and hatred between b****s and cops, but between b****s and w****s. When Michael Brown was shot, he reinforced the medias characterization of an unarmed black man gunned down by cops, despite the video clearly showing Brown in the act of pulling one officer's gun out of the holster in the struggle, and the 2nd officer not waiting to see if he would turn the cop's gun on the 1st officer but instead shooting Michael Brown.

Obama accused pro-lifers as waging a war on women. He said anyone opposed to same sex marriage was a bigot. During the 2008 campaign, he called anyone who supported Hillary a r****t. Later he called anyone in favor of immigration enforcement r****ts. He said Republicans are the enemy of Hispanics. Here is a quote from a speech where he denigrated midwesterners. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter,they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

When the A****a and BAMN thugs "protested" by setting fire to private property, smashing windows, and assaulting people, Obama said there actions heartened him.

But I don't want to pick on Obama as holding the bag on d******eness. So here are some Hillary gems. Clinton said, "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." She called b****s super-predators. She called Republicans uneducated and characterized Republican women as doormats in so many words. Saying they do wh**ever their husbands, sons, or fathers tell them to. This was the only reason she would believe that Republican women didn't v**e for her. When defending a rapist of a child, she said, "Children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior." She encouraged d******eness between the right and left by stating that the accusation that her husband had an affair with an aide, a vast right wing conspiracy.

So what has Trump done?
Yes he manipulated German's Nationalism. There is... (show quote)


Try not and go into other right sided tangents, can you stay on topic without Obama and Hillary, jees .
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Jun 19, 2019 09:32:13   #
lindajoy wrote:
Exactly~


Wrong
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Jun 19, 2019 09:26:22   #
JoyV wrote:
Yes he manipulated German's Nationalism. There is no doubt of that in my mind. But it wasn't Nationalism which led to death camps, conquest of other countries, or violation of treaties and alliances. These are NOT examples of Nationalism. He USED the peoples Nationalism. The actions he committed were not done out of Nationalism.

You write as if F*****m were NOT socialism. It is one type of socialism, no matter how much revisionist history the left has committed. There are several types of socialism. There is C*******m which is one extreme form of socialism. At the other extreme is the mild form of socialism--Democracy. There is Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats, National Socialists, and others. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, t***slated is, National Socialist German Workers' Party; better known as N**I. Includes the words "National" and "German", which indicates Nationalism; and "Socialist" and "Workers", which indicates Socialism. If you read Hitler quotes from before and during his reign, he clearly states again and again that he and the party are socialist. Many use the fact that there was enmity between the National Socialists, and the C*******ts; to indicate the N**Is were opposed to socialism. Not true. Each type of socialist felt theirs to be the right kind of socialism. I hope I don't offend anyone with this comparison, but think of the antagonism and historical violence between different branches of Christian religion. That they are opposed to each other does not mean one is of a Christian religion and the other is not.

Name when and how Trump pits different American groups against each other.

Did he call half of Americans deplorable? Did he attend a memorial service for cops who died protecting Americans and use the podium to speak of police r****m and police brutality? He said, “Police officers use oppressive and abusive” tactics of a “broken and racially biased system” On other occasions he said cops use racial profiling. He said, "You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.... The African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away." This statement not only stoke fear and hatred between b****s and cops, but between b****s and w****s. When Michael Brown was shot, he reinforced the medias characterization of an unarmed black man gunned down by cops, despite the video clearly showing Brown in the act of pulling one officer's gun out of the holster in the struggle, and the 2nd officer not waiting to see if he would turn the cop's gun on the 1st officer but instead shooting Michael Brown.

Obama accused pro-lifers as waging a war on women. He said anyone opposed to same sex marriage was a bigot. During the 2008 campaign, he called anyone who supported Hillary a r****t. Later he called anyone in favor of immigration enforcement r****ts. He said Republicans are the enemy of Hispanics. Here is a quote from a speech where he denigrated midwesterners. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter,they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

When the A****a and BAMN thugs "protested" by setting fire to private property, smashing windows, and assaulting people, Obama said there actions heartened him.

But I don't want to pick on Obama as holding the bag on d******eness. So here are some Hillary gems. Clinton said, "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." She called b****s super-predators. She called Republicans uneducated and characterized Republican women as doormats in so many words. Saying they do wh**ever their husbands, sons, or fathers tell them to. This was the only reason she would believe that Republican women didn't v**e for her. When defending a rapist of a child, she said, "Children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior." She encouraged d******eness between the right and left by stating that the accusation that her husband had an affair with an aide, a vast right wing conspiracy.

So what has Trump done?
Yes he manipulated German's Nationalism. There is... (show quote)


F*****m is the form of government, controlled by an authoritarian rule, either by a group or a person under a dictatorship, in the past, presently new forms of socialism are rising up. This new so-called Democratic Socialism is ruled by the definition of Democratic which is by the people. The "type of Socialism falls under the type of government it is under, this is something you need to understand.

F*****ts under a dictatorship for socialism in order to control all the money, not the other way around.

I also never said these atrocities were done by Nationalists, but in actuality, they were... by being manipulated, just as you said. This is where blind loyalty and nationalism can become a problem. We see it also in the mindset of religious groups such as Muslims and other religious communities. Feeling of being so right in their cause to defend they feel very justified to hurt and k**l people, and how millions of people have been k**led.

What a piece of misinformation and misleading comment: "When the A****a and BAMN thugs "protested" by setting fire to private property, smashing windows, and assaulting people, Obama said there actions heartened him." Shame, it goes along with " you didn't build that yourself". Intentionally misinterpreted.

I'm not getting into an anti-Obama go to conversation by the right with you, nor am I going to what did Trump do...please, the list is way too long, and here we have come full circle to Blind Loyalty, haven't we, for you to even ask that question.
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Jun 19, 2019 08:19:12   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Almost. Many Statist Germans thought Hitler had some good ideas, especially in the beginning. Patriotic Germans saw what he was doing and tried to sound the warnings but it was too late as Hitler's b****shirts were very efficient at suppressing dissent, especially from individuals. There were very few patriots in Hitler's Germany, and those that were there kept their mouths shut, he saw to that.


This is true, just as there are Republicans who don't support Trump at all. You are correct in your comment of it being too late, that, is what we need to prevent and be on the watch for. The right has been on a move to a one-party-system, from Supreme Court on down, It's been shown and was able to be prevented, but there is another the similarity again.
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Jun 18, 2019 21:25:19   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
True, but you missed the main point: Trump is Hitler! They have to believe that or their whole narrative comes crashing in around their ears. Ain't that pathetic?


FYI Many patriotic Germans loved Hitler. Who's zooming who?
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Jun 18, 2019 21:23:18   #
Larry the Legend wrote:
Um, I h**e to break it to you, but f*****m is socialism, just with a few things added in. It is characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, to put it in a nutshell, just like socialism.


Um no, you're incorrect. Socialism is an economic structure working within a form of government, in the past under a dictatorship, where people are forced. F*****m is a governmental structure which is a type of one-party dictatorship. F*****ts are against democracy. ... F*****m puts nation and often race above the individual. It stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator. Historically, f*****t governments tend to be militaristic, and r****t.

Hmm.... militaristic, r****t and one-party agenda.


Does any of this sound vaguely familiar?

Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York who is widely considered the father of f*****m studies, defined f*****m as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda.

There's that nationalist word again, is it a red f**g or a red herring?
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Jun 18, 2019 21:02:04   #
rumitoid wrote:
Yes, but don't look more than two centuries; have this special lotion. BS something or other. Amazing!


Ok then pass the bottle around, ah nevermind I think I have enough of that here. LOL
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Jun 18, 2019 20:59:37   #
JoyV wrote:
What Hitler did to his own citizens had nothing to do with Nationalism. Nor does Nationalism require expansion or conquest. In N**I Germany, there was both Nationalism and conquest on top of the socialism which gave the government too much authority which the N**Is used to further their despicable goals. Many want to blame all on Nationalism. But what the N**Is did could be categorized under various 'isms'.

The Axis powers used Nationalism to promote their war. The Allied powers used Nationalism to defend against the Axis atrocities.
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I disagree, Hitler used and exploited people through their nationalism, and their patriotism as he manipulated them through these emotions, their love and loyalty to their country. Myself and many others have seen the similarities between the two. Hitler pinned German's against other Germans as Trump does the same through parties, nationality, religion and other groups.

Socialism is not what gave Hitler his Power who became the government as a dictator. Hitler turned against socialism when he embraced f*****m.
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Jun 18, 2019 20:43:34   #
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you, Slatten. I was only about six I think when I heard Johnson make that famous pronouncement. My father always played this game with me about remembering details. If I could accurately recall what occurred during our time together, I would be rewarded with a treat. On that particular day of April 7, 1775, there was a new treat on the streets of America: German Pretzels. It took both hands to hold and ten minutes to eat. But I felt bad afterwards. Urchins followed me for crumbs and I never once considered giving them a real taste. My recollection is fixed by these supporting details.

How are you?
Thank you, Slatten. I was only about six I think w... (show quote)


Man you're older then I thought lol
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Jun 18, 2019 20:40:45   #
lindajoy wrote:
You present your opinion without even knowing why people chose Trump..

You say because we are loyal to him that makes us loyalist.. We in fact chose Trump to insure the betterment of our Nation.. We are loyal to it and made a choice of the one we felt would defend our nation...That simple... A patriot in other words..

Just as you are a patriot because of what you believe we are for what we believe..Or do you not believe you are a patriot in your own right??


I certainly do know why Trump supporters v**ed for him, you guys tell us all the time. You telling me what I don't know is rather presumptuous and a bit arrogant.

The reason why you v**ed for him at this point doesn't make a difference. What matters now is, how he has behaved in the last almost three years. Now I realize you come from the camp of, he's never done anything wrong, which leaves the conversation at a dead end.

I understand, you made your choice and you're sticking to it come hell or high water. Do you have the same logic if you happen to get on the wrong bus, or do you get off at the first stop?

Some people are very good at conning people, they're grifters, for the very reason of things always catch up with them, just like their lies, they move on.
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Jun 18, 2019 07:48:22   #
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
"Neither Clinton ever spoke with such foul mouths,..."
Are you really, REALLY sure about that?

https://www.naturalnews.com/055582_Hillary_Clinton_foul_language_abuse_of_women.html

https://emptysuit.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/the-clintons-jews-and-n****rs-warning-graphic-language/

https://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/hillary-clintons-vulgar-m.html


Did you get this out of your link I did...{Hillary Clinton's REAL language when speaking in private.

I don't give a flip what people say in private.

I particularly thought this was funny as hell, coming out of her "home" without the press or public, guess her people weren't listening to her.

Coming out of the Arkansas governor’s mansion early morning on Labor Day 1991, Hillary screamed: “Where is the goddamn fucking f**g? I want the goddamn fucking f**g up every fucking morning at fucking sunrise!

Was she wrong? LMAO
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Jun 18, 2019 07:38:15   #
Seth wrote:
Most of us who v**ed for him and still support him wholeheartedly weren't v****g for Brother Juniper, we were v****g for a kick-ass, non-politician president who would actually work hard for the American people, putting America first, and get positive things done.

He has not disappointed us.

Perhaps instead of TDSers concentrating on his bedside manner, they ought to consider that good takeaways from his administration, and an excellent example for young people, are his tenacity, common sense and love of country.

His predecessor's only tenacity was in so-called "fundamentally changing America" by undermining every principle that made this country great, and there were conspicuous absences of both common sense and any love of country.
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Bedside manner?... way to go, to discredit his bad behavior as a president, I've heard this all before and it has now become the defining line for the right, "we don't care what he does or says as long as he does what we want." It appears the left has a higher bar set for a president. You do what you need to do and do it with honor and integrity.
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Jun 18, 2019 07:32:08   #
The Critical Critic wrote:
I disagree. I think your reply to Linda was more to the point, and in effect, destroys Kev’s cartoon.


CC I don't care what is said in private, or in the oval office, to the secret service or his military commanders, but in public, a president, should set a bar wouldn't you agree? I heard him make a speech to the boy scouts and my mouth was on the floor. The cartoon, in my opinion, is on point, sorry if we disagree here. A person should be capable of making their speech adjustable to their audience, he doesn't think before he speaks.
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