Too Many People Are Still Stuck in Welfare. Heres How to Lift Them Out
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Radiance3 wrote:
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Teaching is a hard job if the teachers are serious enough to make the children learn. Since public schools are mostly populated by low income or just a little above average income, most of these children have no discipline and their parent are not mostly educated to see the benefits of discipline for students learning. Exempted from that are most Asian families who are mostly focused on making their children learn and excel.
When the good teachers impose discipline to the students so they learn, or do their homework, or even pay attention to the subjects being taught, some students fight back.
But they expect the teachers to give them good grades. If they don't get that, they fight back with the teachers. Many teachers have been assaulted and become victims of the lawless students especially those in the high schools.
There are times when the teachers teach them to behave proper manners, they report to their parents different stories, and then parents come, and sue the teachers.
So, being a good teacher is difficult and dangerous when students fight back. Parents and teachers must address and resolve this problem if they want to make their children learn.
Proper education is one of the most important factors in elevating the living standards of the families to rid them from lifetime welfare.
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I agree on perhaps the biggest core problem in the worst schools. One of my younger sisters just retired from teaching for over 30 years in exactly the environment you describe, and let me assure you she never gave up in all those years - making her a real exception.
Now, with that agreement, exactly what is it you are recommending as a solution?
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Tell me more about smoke and mirrors. The middle class of America is going down the tubes while the top tier is gathering in more wealth than ever before. That is not smoke and mirrors it is reality. Things are way out of balance. Manufacturing has gone overseas and with it the hopes and dreams of the American worker. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity. Why is it that "conservatives" who already have theirs don't get it?
Who is truly proficient at smoke and mirrors, the people who have money and hide it for a living, not the people who haven't any money to hide.
They're not worried about our county, they already think of themselves as world inclusive, there's not loyalty here, and it hasn't changed since we had to barrow for our first war, and so began the control. Read my quote from Jefferson.
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
nwtk2007 wrote:
How about cultural degeneration.
Not sure if you are suggesting something other than what I showed, or just trying to put an umbrella term to it. In either case, what is the solution you are recommending?
Dave wrote:
If you really believe the lack of teachers union is a problem there's not much that would change your mind.
I lived in Texas, Arlington to be exact, as well as California, Alabama and New York. Arlington had the best schools, followed by Huntsville Alabama - with California being the worst. The quality of schools is very much the function of individual school districts - and if one looks at places like Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Newark, Camden, LA, Chicago and so many more that are bastions of unionized teachers and dysfunctional schools - one would hardly attempt to make such an argument.
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States that outlaw teachers' unions have Classroom Teachers' Associations.
A rose by any other name...
The government schools on the whole do a very, very, poor job.
Many high school and college grads cannot compose a proper sentence, spell or handle arithmetic at a grade school level, cannot read a ruler, cannot count change, or do many of the things an elementary school grad should be able to do
The semi literacy of so many can be seen right here on this forum.
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Tell me more about smoke and mirrors. The middle class of America is going down the tubes while the top tier is gathering in more wealth than ever before. That is not smoke and mirrors it is reality. Things are way out of balance. Manufacturing has gone overseas and with it the hopes and dreams of the American worker. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity. Why is it that "conservatives" who already have theirs don't get it?
[coosbay] unions are why jobs left this country! Workers priced them selves out of jobs!!
beenthere2 wrote:
[coosbay] unions are why jobs left this country! Workers priced them selves out of jobs!!
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beenthere2 wrote:
[coosbay] unions are why jobs left this country! Workers priced them selves out of jobs!!
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Unions are one of the big reasons.
The others are government confiscation, harassment, and meddling in private business, from all levels of government, not just feds.
hprinze wrote:
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Unions are one of the big reasons.
The others are government confiscation, harassment, and meddling in private business, from all levels of government, not just feds.
[our poor education system is also to blame. the three R's aren"t taught any more so how can kids ever get ahead?
[quote=beenthere2][our poor education system is also to blame. the three R's aren"t taught any more so how can kids ever get ahead?[/quote]
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Very true
dennisimoto wrote:
Emarine, they're paying almost all of the taxes now. Consider this, if the entire 1% turned over their entire wealth to the USA Treasury, at the rate America is burning though its money that windfall would carry us for about 3 days. Then who do you go after when the former 1% is as poor as the rest of us? This whole wealth inequality gig is a smokescreen thrown up by the Libs to take everyone's eyes off the ball. Obuttface has yet to tell anyone what his overused, "fair share," phrase actually means. What does he think the 'fair share' should be? We don't know because he has never defined it. Smoke & mirrors, the old "shell game," that the Libs use so well.
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What's your point? emarine is still right. Why defend the 1% who take advantage of the lower 99% I love who some who are doing pretty good think they are not also being had by the 1%'ers.
hprinze wrote:
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States that outlaw teachers' unions have Classroom Teachers' Associations.
A rose by any other name...
The government schools on the whole do a very, very, poor job.
Many high school and college grads cannot compose a proper sentence, spell or handle arithmetic at a grade school level, cannot read a ruler, cannot count change, or do many of the things an elementary school grad should be able to do
The semi literacy of so many can be seen right here on this forum.
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LOL! True enough about the forum writers here. Pretty sad.
However, I personally don't think going private on education will do the trick. Private institutions want business. If their patrons are wanting something for their kids that doesn't jive with what they need, the three R's for example, then the private institutions will alter their product and comply. The mentality in America is such that the competition between private institution will boil down to which one's can make school the most fun. Sad but true.
But hey, lets see. I'm for the voucher programs to allow parents to be able to pay their Ed dollars to a private institution and forgo their ed tax dollars. After a few years it will become perfectly clear that it won't do the trick. The we can talk about REALLY reforming education. But ultimately, if we don't change our cultural biases about what we want to know/learn from education and how far we want it to go and who actually has responsibility for learning, we are a doomed ship.
Dave wrote:
Not sure if you are suggesting something other than what I showed, or just trying to put an umbrella term to it. In either case, what is the solution you are recommending?
To be perfectly honest, I don't know the solution for degenerate culture. Martial law maybe!! LOL!!
The degeneration of cultures may well be the driving force behind the rise of despot regimes. Prob not, but their might be a small connection.
dennisimoto wrote:
Emarine, they're paying almost all of the taxes now. Consider this, if the entire 1% turned over their entire wealth to the USA Treasury, at the rate America is burning though its money that windfall would carry us for about 3 days. Then who do you go after when the former 1% is as poor as the rest of us? This whole wealth inequality gig is a smokescreen thrown up by the Libs to take everyone's eyes off the ball. Obuttface has yet to tell anyone what his overused, "fair share," phrase actually means. What does he think the 'fair share' should be? We don't know because he has never defined it. Smoke & mirrors, the old "shell game," that the Libs use so well.
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You're 100% correct... it's all a shell game clouded by smoke and mirrors..., The supreme court as well as congress regulate for what's best for the people who they benefit from the most... You choose to make this a left / right problem... this is where we disagree... This is an American people problem and Presidents just take the hit
nwtk2007 wrote:
LOL! True enough about the forum writers here. Pretty sad.
However, I personally don't think going private on education will do the trick. Private institutions want business. If their patrons are wanting something for their kids that doesn't jive with what they need, the three R's for example, then the private institutions will alter their product and comply. The mentality in America is such that the competition between private institution will boil down to which one's can make school the most fun. Sad but true.
But hey, lets see. I'm for the voucher programs to allow parents to be able to pay their Ed dollars to a private institution and forgo their ed tax dollars. After a few years it will become perfectly clear that it won't do the trick. The we can talk about REALLY reforming education. But ultimately, if we don't change our cultural biases about what we want to know/learn from education and how far we want it to go and who actually has responsibility for learning, we are a doomed ship.
LOL! True enough about the forum writers here. P... (
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America has been dumbing down for quite some time. If want to expand their vocabulary have them read more classics before the turn of the century. Teachers should speak with a higher level also and require it in their essays and include spelling, which many don't.
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