I have to prove it? Based on your example don't I just have to print the paper Hawkins wrote where he said he proved god didn't exist?

I was going to "rebut" all of you points but quite frankly my cut and paste finger was getting sore. And before getting to my central point--please understand that if faith is based on fact then it isn‘t faith? I don’t run around claiming “faith” because I have none. Why? Because I have fact!!! I really don’t know if that sinks in or not because I don’t think anything is capable of sinking into the irrational mind--for which you clearly have a dozy! That said: when you cut and paste someone else's thoughts it is customary to cite them. For example my rebuttal was provided by an article in a blog called Science and the Bible and I am providing you the link below. While I am not going to accuse you of plagerization what I will ask is if you did a single thing to verify anything that your cut and paste said? Now I suspect not because you appear to be one of the laziest thinkers I have run across I quite a while. Is anything you spewed at me yours--or are you just repeating what you’ve glommered off of other peoples blogs? You are no better than BD and the others--in fact worse, because at least BD will give you a link to the garbage that is dispensed by his fingers.

Now understand something Penny. I am not condemning using other people’s thoughts as support for your argument, I will do that quite often, but here a link is sufficient then doing some ungodly cut and paste. Honestly Penny, I could have read Eternal Productions “101 Scientific Facts & Foreknowledge” just a easily if you had just provided a link. And BTW, I am providing a link to demonstrate my point!

And to end. I thought I had explained why using the bible was one of the worst fallacies would could do--It is hearsay and not written as it happened but passed down generation to generation and then eventually bits and pieces were written down long, long after the fact. Some of it can be verified but the bulk of it has to be taken purely on faith. And I must say I find “Foreknowledge” humorous since it was written after it occurred. Right now I am writing a book on foreknowledge about man landing on the moon. I know, it sound incredible, but I am predicting it will happen. You see, because I have faith in Science!!!

And a little post script. I am done here. This is taking away from tending to my flowers which is a far more productive endeavor than rebutting your fallacies...well actually, they aren't even yours are they!

http://unreligious.wordpress.com/category/exposed-101-scientific-facts-in-the-bible/

http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

So tell me BR in all you have just written on Jesus(which was impressive and valuable) but how do you think he or God would feel about your reference to people who didn't believe in religion, as people infecting the planet?

Considering Jesus's message and purpose for coming to this planet was to reinstill love and forgiveness.

I have never found atheists to be the problem, I have always found it is people who hate, and hate with a violence.

There is more than one way to believe in God, the Creator, the Spirit. It doesn't have to be through organized religion or a church.

Sounds like more New Age. Spirituality cannot found deep within yourSELF.

If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved. As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced...” For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”



This the ONLY way!

"You believe that there is one God; you do well [for] even the devils also believe and tremble." James 2:19

It is not enough to believe in God but solely in the Lord Jesus Christ for:
1. "I AM the Way , the Truth, the Life: no man comes to the Father except through Me [Jesus Christ]." John 14:6
2. "Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name [Jesus Christ] under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved." Act 4:12

The above being said, you are most definitely RIGHT when you say that "it doesn't have to be through organized religion or a church" as for the most part "organized religion" is just that: organized by man and not Christ. Also, far too many "churches" have forsaken the Gospel of Christ and are paying head to seducing doctrines of men and of devils.

Yes, receiving Christ as Savior and Lord is strictly a singular proposition between each and every individual and the drawing power of the Holy Spirit to Christ. It has absolutely nothing to do with the organized religiosity of any church.

However, when one does receive Jesus as Savior and Lord then the Holy Spirit baptizes that individual into one body, the Body of Christ (I Corinthians 12:13) and that Body is known as the Church (Matthew 6:18) which Christ is still currently building. Only this Church is not organized by man in his physical state but brought together in the spiritual realm by the Holy Spirit.

Then, all who have received Christ as Savior and Lord are admonished to forsake NOT the gathering of our selves together as is the custom of many. (Hebrews 10:25) In other words: can any member of a TEAM go it ALONE?

But the major problem then comes in the form of discernment: which church body to join? As previously noted, many are worthless. Join only a body of believers whose only guide and direction is scripture.

But note: "When the literal sense of the Word makes sense, take no other sense lest you wind up in nonsense!"