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Apr 14, 2015 10:14:18   #
Common Sense Rebel
 
Why is the biggest form of Racism never addressed.
The Racism of Blacks towards Whites.

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Apr 14, 2015 10:35:21   #
vernon
 
KHH1 wrote:
Race relations in America have never been better
BY DAN HANNAN | APRIL 13, 2015 | 5:00 AM
Photo - Flowers and stones are placed near the scene where Walter Scott was killed by a North Charleston, S.C., police officer Saturday. (AP Photo)
Flowers and stones are placed near the scene where Walter Scott was killed by a North Charleston,...
One hundred fifty years ago, Robert E. Lee surrendered. The defeated general was already becoming a legend and, that day, he looked it. His gray uniform was buttoned to the throat, and the April sun caught his magnificent silver beard, high boots and jeweled sword-hilt.

This was the man who had, extraordinarily, been offered the command of both sides' armies; and who, though he disliked slavery and was cool about secession, could not in the end bring himself to draw his blade against Virginia.

Ulysses S. Grant, understandably in awe of his adversary, treated him with exaggerated civility. Instead of asking for Lee's sword at the end of the meeting, Grant raised his hat to the older man, who wearily returned the gesture before going off to break the bad news to his devoted soldiers.

That scene at Appomattox was so correct that it can tempt us into the error of believing that the Civil War was an essentially gentlemanly affair, a regrettable disagreement about sovereignty that somehow escalated. In fact, it was by far the nastiest and bloodiest conflict Americans have fought, and can justly be called the first modern war — a monstrous precursor to the Battle of the Somme, whose centenary, by coincidence, we also mark this month.

Behind Lee, with that great hat in his hand, stood bootless, bloodied, beaten men. Their families had been through the horrors of total war — pillage, starvation, sexual assault. Unless we make an effort to recapture those miseries, we struggle to understand the racial tragedies that followed.

Civil wars have a way of fixing politics for generations to come. Only at the last Irish general election did the two-party system — based on the opposed factions from their civil war of the early 1920s — finally break apart. In Spain, whose own civil war came in 1936, the breakdown is happening only now.

And so it was in the former Confederacy. Policies that in almost any other circumstance would have been intolerable were perpetuated out of a twisted sense that, somehow, the fallen were being honored, the carpetbaggers posthumously snubbed.

Inevitably, there was a reaction. Many Americans felt in their bones that segregation, like slavery, betrayed the republic. They became so angry — so understandably and justifiably angry — that they, like their opponents, began to see everything in terms of race. Anti-racism became the strongest card in their deck, trumping free speech, free contract and free association. Indeed, simply to invoke these traditional freedoms — as Rand Paul did four years ago when, in moderate and reasonable language, he questioned whether the best way to end racial discrimination was through the full force of federal law — is to invite accusations of bigotry.

The rage is understandable; but it's out of date. Let me say something which, while statistically true, is so at odds with the media narrative that I wonder whether I'd have the courage to say it if I were an American rather than a British politician.

Race relations in the United States have never been better.

Yes, that's right. On every measure — from opinion polls to racially motivated murders and assaults — Americans under Barack Obama are the most color-blind generation.

How, you might ask, can I assert such a thing when we have just seen the abominable shooting of Walter Scott, to say nothing of Eric Garner and Trayvon Martin and the rest? How can I even think it when I look at the continuing racial discrepancies in everything from rates of college entry to rates of incarceration?

It is human nature to pay more attention to immediate events than remote ones. The shooting of an unarmed black man by a white cop is a big story — precisely because racial violence, being rare, has a greater power to shock now than it once had.

Its most hideous manifestation, lynching, was the first to go: From over 150 such murders a year in the 1880s to 80 in the 1900s, 20 in the 1920s and zero by the 1960s. The civil rights movement represented not the initiation but the culmination of a change in attitudes.

Remaining forms of discrimination — first by state agencies and then by corporate bodies — were outlawed in the 1950s and 1960s, and later reintroduced in the form of affirmative action. Racially motivated murders and assaults have also fallen sharply, as has every measure of racist public attitudes ("Would you be content if your daughter married someone from a different race?" "Would you move if a different ethnic group were the majority on your street?" etc.).

I never lived through segregation. I understand why those who did might be overly ready to see a racial angle where none exists. I'm prepared to overlook some aspects of political correctness as an overshoot — irksome, for sure, but better than a world where American citizens were denied justice because of their physiognomy.

What I find harder to overlook is the pervasive, determined pessimism about race. Americans have twice now elected a mixed-race president, which strikes me as a pretty handy indicator that attitudes have shifted since LBJ's day. The time may even be approaching when America can discard affirmative action programs and, as an eloquent fellow once put it, judge people by the contents of their characters.

It's not just Appomattox which seems to belong to a different age; it's Selma, too. I appreciate that after so long, it can be hard to let go. But, 150 years on, the aftershocks of that abominable conflict have finally shuddered to a halt. The promise of the Constitution has been met. The system works.

Dan Hannan is a British Conservative MEP.
Race relations in America have never been better b... (show quote)


the system was working until obama started creating seperatist trouble.his first journey into racism was the prof that was arrested the pres had no business getting involved in that problem he sahould have just let the case be settled in court.
the next thing that he had no business getting involved in was the martin killing.he sent all the trouble makers down there and holder and sharpton just created more race tension.
then ferguson and the hands up lie along with obama sending communist van jones down to there to create civil unrest and along with holder and sharpton they did a good job.dont be fooled this is the most racist government in the history of america

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Apr 14, 2015 10:39:37   #
vernon
 
KHH1 wrote:
I don't think the right wants better race relations...they need something else to blame Obama for......good race relations is a positive....cannot have that on Obama's watch....the right wants to portray their thinking as that of America as a whole...but we know better..



im sorry but your just wrong on this.

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Apr 14, 2015 10:39:51   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
KHH1 wrote:
Race relations in America have never been better
BY DAN HANNAN | APRIL 13, 2015 | 5:00 AM
Photo - Flowers and stones are placed near the scene where Walter Scott was killed by a North Charleston, S.C., police officer Saturday. (AP Photo)
Flowers and stones are placed near the scene where Walter Scott was killed by a North Charleston,...
One hundred fifty years ago, Robert E. Lee surrendered. The defeated general was already becoming a legend and, that day, he looked it. His gray uniform was buttoned to the throat, and the April sun caught his magnificent silver beard, high boots and jeweled sword-hilt.

This was the man who had, extraordinarily, been offered the command of both sides' armies; and who, though he disliked slavery and was cool about secession, could not in the end bring himself to draw his blade against Virginia.

Ulysses S. Grant, understandably in awe of his adversary, treated him with exaggerated civility. Instead of asking for Lee's sword at the end of the meeting, Grant raised his hat to the older man, who wearily returned the gesture before going off to break the bad news to his devoted soldiers.

That scene at Appomattox was so correct that it can tempt us into the error of believing that the Civil War was an essentially gentlemanly affair, a regrettable disagreement about sovereignty that somehow escalated. In fact, it was by far the nastiest and bloodiest conflict Americans have fought, and can justly be called the first modern war — a monstrous precursor to the Battle of the Somme, whose centenary, by coincidence, we also mark this month.

Behind Lee, with that great hat in his hand, stood bootless, bloodied, beaten men. Their families had been through the horrors of total war — pillage, starvation, sexual assault. Unless we make an effort to recapture those miseries, we struggle to understand the racial tragedies that followed.

Civil wars have a way of fixing politics for generations to come. Only at the last Irish general election did the two-party system — based on the opposed factions from their civil war of the early 1920s — finally break apart. In Spain, whose own civil war came in 1936, the breakdown is happening only now.

And so it was in the former Confederacy. Policies that in almost any other circumstance would have been intolerable were perpetuated out of a twisted sense that, somehow, the fallen were being honored, the carpetbaggers posthumously snubbed.

Inevitably, there was a reaction. Many Americans felt in their bones that segregation, like slavery, betrayed the republic. They became so angry — so understandably and justifiably angry — that they, like their opponents, began to see everything in terms of race. Anti-racism became the strongest card in their deck, trumping free speech, free contract and free association. Indeed, simply to invoke these traditional freedoms — as Rand Paul did four years ago when, in moderate and reasonable language, he questioned whether the best way to end racial discrimination was through the full force of federal law — is to invite accusations of bigotry.

The rage is understandable; but it's out of date. Let me say something which, while statistically true, is so at odds with the media narrative that I wonder whether I'd have the courage to say it if I were an American rather than a British politician.

Race relations in the United States have never been better.

Yes, that's right. On every measure — from opinion polls to racially motivated murders and assaults — Americans under Barack Obama are the most color-blind generation.

How, you might ask, can I assert such a thing when we have just seen the abominable shooting of Walter Scott, to say nothing of Eric Garner and Trayvon Martin and the rest? How can I even think it when I look at the continuing racial discrepancies in everything from rates of college entry to rates of incarceration?

It is human nature to pay more attention to immediate events than remote ones. The shooting of an unarmed black man by a white cop is a big story — precisely because racial violence, being rare, has a greater power to shock now than it once had.

Its most hideous manifestation, lynching, was the first to go: From over 150 such murders a year in the 1880s to 80 in the 1900s, 20 in the 1920s and zero by the 1960s. The civil rights movement represented not the initiation but the culmination of a change in attitudes.

Remaining forms of discrimination — first by state agencies and then by corporate bodies — were outlawed in the 1950s and 1960s, and later reintroduced in the form of affirmative action. Racially motivated murders and assaults have also fallen sharply, as has every measure of racist public attitudes ("Would you be content if your daughter married someone from a different race?" "Would you move if a different ethnic group were the majority on your street?" etc.).

I never lived through segregation. I understand why those who did might be overly ready to see a racial angle where none exists. I'm prepared to overlook some aspects of political correctness as an overshoot — irksome, for sure, but better than a world where American citizens were denied justice because of their physiognomy.

What I find harder to overlook is the pervasive, determined pessimism about race. Americans have twice now elected a mixed-race president, which strikes me as a pretty handy indicator that attitudes have shifted since LBJ's day. The time may even be approaching when America can discard affirmative action programs and, as an eloquent fellow once put it, judge people by the contents of their characters.

It's not just Appomattox which seems to belong to a different age; it's Selma, too. I appreciate that after so long, it can be hard to let go. But, 150 years on, the aftershocks of that abominable conflict have finally shuddered to a halt. The promise of the Constitution has been met. The system works.

Dan Hannan is a British Conservative MEP.
Race relations in America have never been better b... (show quote)


In England the majority of people think Obama is a TWIT. I tend to totally agree.

Note this article is by someone in England that knows ZIP about the issues of how of late the entire black community thinks everyone owes them for being slaves. HORSE MANURE! Drag me even on slave before me, show me what cotton they have been a picking lately? They can shove that song way on up in the swannie river......find a new tune, Bo Jangles....the one you play now, sucks.

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Apr 14, 2015 10:49:00   #
vernon
 
KHH1 wrote:
No...the right and left have stopped talking because the right are rigid in their thinking...but we talk to each other on the left.....big-time..



the right is rigid whar do you call alll this stuff coming from thr left.the way i see it ,the left wants the complete surrender of the whites and that wont happen,you are just wrong in your thinking.

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Apr 14, 2015 10:54:55   #
KHH1
 
America Only wrote:
And the award for the biggest racist of the year goes to....KHH1 Take a bow, and give the audience a speech, you white man hater you!

You are living proof that a BLACK man is 100% racist and dishonest. Engineer this week, astronaught last week, poodle dog trainer the month before and what lies will you come up with in a few months time? You will claim to have walked the moon and scooped up some cheese from it....of all the posters on this website you and you all on your own have made the most dishonest statements EVER made and they have all been about YOU and what you CLAIM to be....you are insane. Totally insane. Now that it is has been said so clearly about what sort of dung pile you are...go find a fork in the kitchen drawer and do something with that nappy head of yours. Yep...I give to you what you have been dishing out...it is what you have EARNED with all your black hate garbage you post and all your LIES! You will not ever be anything more than a dung heap. You lie about what you do as a career, and I do not think one single time you have posted anything truthful no matter what it would have been about. You do not know what is truth and love to lie far too much. That is a sickness. That is YOU!
And the award for the biggest racist of the year g... (show quote)


Okay stupid...are you finished?

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Apr 14, 2015 10:59:50   #
c.murray132
 
When the majority were taught that hatred was wrong, things got better. When the minority was taught that hatred was appropriate,things got worse.

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Apr 14, 2015 11:11:04   #
KHH1
 
America Only wrote:
In England the majority of people think Obama is a TWIT. I tend to totally agree.

Note this article is by someone in England that knows ZIP about the issues of how of late the entire black community thinks everyone owes them for being slaves. HORSE MANURE! Drag me even on slave before me, show me what cotton they have been a picking lately? They can shove that song way on up in the swannie river......find a new tune, Bo Jangles....the one you play now, sucks.


you people have no fortitude of your own.....you really care what others think of you...I guess you were the kind of kids who were poor and/or funny looking and the other kids did that to you-made you all feel like shit...so now you are grown and think you can make others feel the way you did and maybe still do feel when others voice low opinions about you....well it does not work here.....I am guided by my own self-perception and do not care what racist whites/ignorant blacks or any other demographic thinks of me....I only embrace positive constructive criticism....that has my best interest in mind...

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Apr 14, 2015 11:29:01   #
vernon
 
c.murray132 wrote:
When the majority were taught that hatred was wrong, things got better. When the minority was taught that hatred was appropriate,things got worse.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 14, 2015 11:30:45   #
vernon
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I look at OPP as somewhat of a poll and I have concluded that unfortunately the majority of the right have racism in their hearts and minds. I have seen "nappy headed" as a comment dozens of times. "you belong in Africa" directed at me and I am not Black.The new one is being absolutely racist and saying "you are racist" when called on it. Rand Paul does not believe buisineses should serve Blacks if they don't want to The president is despised by many just because he is Black not just for his policys.. Black lives do matter yet Rightys blame all the bad things that happen to Blacks on Blacks and call them looters wanting an excuse to do so when protests turn ugly because of the blindness and deafness and the don't care attitude of the majority. It is appalling and I know the bigots will come after me after this posting. I don't care. I am not out to impress them. It will just reinforce what I just wrote.
I look at OPP as somewhat of a poll and I have con... (show quote)


its good to know thatnyou have made a study to bad you got
wrong.

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Apr 14, 2015 11:37:51   #
vernon
 
KHH1 wrote:
The non-racist declaration that they displayed unity by not responding to it told me all I need to know....it was just a stinking gesture and they could not even pull themselves to embrace that...not one of them...speaks volumes.....but no one cares...they are the "lost tribe" for real......



anyone can come up with an excuse for bad behavior and that is all your doing.you didnt see thatwhen the b;ack cop shot that guy in the back in salt lake.and you can bet he was looking for a chance to kill a white .

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Apr 14, 2015 11:46:31   #
vernon
 
KHH1 wrote:
That is okay....actually I am glad they all showed their true colors...reinforces what I had been saying all along.....



all you two are on here for is to put down on whites .and if that dosent make you racist just what does.

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Apr 14, 2015 11:50:04   #
vernon
 
rebob14 wrote:
I agree............all the slurs, on both "sides" define behaviour more than skin color. I'm an old white guy and have never known a white or black or brown or red person who categorically hates an entire race because of color. It's always because of intolorable behavior.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 14, 2015 12:48:36   #
KHH1
 
vernon wrote:
anyone can come up with an excuse for bad behavior and that is all your doing.you didnt see thatwhen the b;ack cop shot that guy in the back in salt lake.and you can bet he was looking for a chance to kill a white .


post the declaration or shut the hell up...declare yourself as a non-racist...like in life...i only let those criticize me who at least have done as much as I have.........you all use Jesus/God to justify your hate and raicsm...so which is worse...playing with God or creating a declaration...can't do it huh?

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Apr 14, 2015 12:50:57   #
KHH1
 
vernon wrote:
all you two are on here for is to put down on whites .and if that dosent make you racist just what does.


oh come on...black welfare, black thugs..black this and that bad....what are we supposed to do? thank you? nit a racist...just responding in kind...reciprocation....the basis for equity and fairness............

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