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Bill Jack wants to make one thing perfectly clear: Bakers should not be forced to make a cake that would violate their conscience or freedom of expression.

Jack, of Castle Rock, Colo., is making national headlines over an experiment he conducted in the wake of attacks on Christian business owners who refuse to provide services for same-sex marriages.

Last year, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission ruled that the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood unlawfully discriminated against a gay couple who wanted a wedding cake. Jack Phillips, the owner of the cake shop, is a devout Christian, and his attorneys argued that to force him to participate in the gay wedding would violate his religious beliefs.
The Civil Rights Commission saw it differently.

So if Christian bakers who oppose gay marriage are compelled under law to violate their beliefs – what about bakers who support gay marriage? Would they be compelled to make an anti-gay marriage cake?

Jack, who is a devout Christian, asked three bakeries to produce two cakes – each shaped like an open Bible.

On one side of one cake he requested the words, “God hates sin – Psalm 45:7.” On the other side he wanted the words, “Homosexuality is a detestable sin – Leviticus 18:22.”

On the second cake he asked them to write another Bible verse: “While we were yet sinners Christ died for us – Romans 5:8” along with the words “God loves sinners.”

And finally, Jack wanted the bakers to create an image – two grooms holding hands, with a red “X” over them – the universal symbol for “not allowed.”

Now if you read the national news accounts of Jack’s experiment – you would’ve read that he wanted gay slurs written on the cakes. But that wasn’t true.

According to the commission’s own report, there’s no mention of Jack using any gay slurs – unless you consider Bible verses to be gay slurs.

Mark Silverstein, the legal director for Colorado’s chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, accused Jack of wanting obscenities written on the cakes.

“There’s no law that says that a cake-maker has to write obscenities in the cake just because the customer wants it,” he told the Associated Press.

Does the ACLU consider the Bible to be obscene?

As you probably guessed, the bakeries rejected Jack’s request for what some would call “anti-gay” cakes.

“If he wants to hate people, he can hate them not here in my bakery,” Azucar Bakery owner Marjorie Silva told 7NEWS. She called the writing and imagery “hateful and offensive.”

So Jack filed a discrimination complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission – just as the gay couple did in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case.

Using the commission’s logic – if a Christian baker is forced to violate his beliefs, shouldn’t all bakers be forced to violate theirs, too?

Absolutely not, says the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

It ruled that Azucar did not discriminate against Jack based on his creed. It argued that the bakery refused to make the cakes because of the “derogatory language and imagery,” The Denver Channel reported.

Jack told me it’s a double standard – pure and simple.

“I think it is hypocritical,” he said. “It’s unequal treatment before the law. The Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act is being used to coerce businesses to participate in events that violate their consciences.”

Jack said he decided to conduct his experiment to prove the Colorado law was “only being applied to Christian business people.”

“Christians need to understand that this is the state of Christianity in the United States,” he said. “We are now second-class citizens. Our free speech is being censored.”

To be clear, Jack believes the bakeries had the right to deny him service. His point was to draw attention to the hypocrisy.

“I stand for liberty for all, not liberty for some,” he said. “If we don’t have liberty for all, then we have liberty for none.”

Alliance Defending Freedom is a religious liberty law firm that represents the Masterpiece Cakeshop.

It believes the Civil Rights Commission reached the right conclusion in Jack’s case, but it blasted the commission’s inconsistencies when it came to the case involving its client.

“The commission’s inconsistent rulings mean that the owners of these three cake shops may run them according to their beliefs, while Jack cannot,” ADF attorney Jeremy Tedesco said.

“These cake artists should not be forced to violate their conscience, but clearly the commission should have done the same for Jack Phillips,” he said. “He risks losing his lifelong business altogether if he continues to run it consistent with his faith. Such blatant religious discrimination has no place in our society.”

That’s a great point. If the owner of Azucar Bakery can run her business according to her beliefs – why can’t the owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop?

From Todd Starns opinion in Fox News

hnealc

“derogatory language and imagery,”

I expected nothing else!
Nor can I put into words what I feel towards the whole thing!

Colorado use to be such a great state until the liberals took over almost everything in and around Denver.
They got tired of living in California after they ruined it, now they want to do the same with Co.
Maine is suffering under them, too. As they are all leaving N.Y.
Just goes to show how screwed up their 'ideas' are when even they refuse to live with the mess they made. But they will never admit the fact that it is their fault. "No, Bush did it!!!"
How sorry!

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

While I'm not in agreement with the LGBTQ folks who sued this man, his strategy seems childish to me. In order to assert his desire to withhold services based on his beliefs he is asking others to compromise theirs.

While this is a good illustration of his experience, it doesn't move the issue forward in a positive way.

I think the "cake wars" have served their purpose in making us talk about the issues. It's time now to work together to find a compromise that works for both sides.

I happen to think that making a law that enshrines discrimination is not the answer.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

The LGBTQ concept was the one demanding that the christian couple not be allowed to provide service for a same sex wedding because they believe that to do so would validate an activity that they believe is immoral. The Christian who asked for the same acceptance from the homosexuals running their businesses knew that would never happen and was trying to point out that was not going to happen. I don't think a compromise is ever going to happen between one side saying that homosexual acts are a sin as stated in the Bible and the other side saying that homosexual acts are honorable and must be validated as such by all.

robert66

Practicing religion should stay behind closed doors. This cake thing only serves to cause trouble for the country. Due to the misuse of a fantasy , written by goat farmers, religion is on the way out. That is good for the nation as a whole.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

the Constitution encourages those who have a belief in God to live their lives by those principles. They do not allow you and your boyfriend to fornicate on the public streets. Apparently you would wish to reverse those concepts.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

but of course those queers that sued the baker weren't being childish

astrolite

It just proves that this government expects us to instantly OBEY any disgusting thing the Queers want! It IS SPECIAL PRIVLEGE. For queers only!

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Alex - I already said I didn't agree with the LGBTQ folks that sued the bakery. And two wrongs don't make a right.

hnealc

Spoken like a true idiot. You never let us down, always good for a laugh!

Common Sense Rebel

Homosexuality is what should have stayed behind closed doors.
All the laws against it should be reinforced.

Religion better serves the world than Homosexuality.

Common Sense Rebel

Homosexuality is what should have stayed behind closed doors.
All the laws against it should be reinforced.

Religion better serves the world than Homosexuality.

Common Sense Rebel

Homosexuality is what should have stayed behind closed doors.
All the laws against it should be reinforced.

Religion better serves the world than Homosexuality.

robert66

Religion is the root of all evil.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

If there is no religion, how does one determine what is "evil"? Good and evil are concepts that require a value system, devoid in secular moral relativism. therefore wrong is right, and right is wrong depending on how you define them.