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Apr 6, 2015 11:08:38   #
Sicilianthing
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
There was a movie about them after the war. They were a magnificent organization/Division.


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Banksters do not care who came from where, fought for who on what side ?

So long as they get to supply the Killing Fields and Toys....


The conclusion is always finite !

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Apr 6, 2015 12:09:14   #
fidelis
 
AMEN SEMPER FI

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Apr 6, 2015 12:14:17   #
Sicilianthing
 
fidelis wrote:
AMEN SEMPER FI


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Fighting those wars was / is for Power Coffers, resources, currency....

Fighting Muslims is for a Sociological-Ideology Pathogen left unchecked.

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Apr 6, 2015 13:11:13   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Banksters do not care who came from where, fought for who on what side ?

So long as they get to supply the Killing Fields and Toys....


The conclusion is always finite !


What does that have to do with the magnificent 442nd RTC?

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Apr 6, 2015 13:38:17   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
lpnmajor wrote:
In case you missed this part; the war was against Barbary PIRATES, who happened to be ( nominally ) Muslim. They never claimed Allah "made them do it", unlike todays radicals. Most of the captured crews were ransomed back, prior to that war. Ransomed with the sanction of the US Government. The US Government paid TRIBUTE to the pirates, for a number of years, to prevent American ships from being raided.

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Apparently you missed this part of the post:
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripolis ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

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Why don't you blame the British and French? They had most Muslim countries under their control for generations, as part of their empires and could have eliminated the religion of Islam during that time - but didn't. Islam could have been eliminated during WWII, during all the North Africa campaigns - but wasn't. So, it is NOT our job now - to correct the mistakes made before we were born.
In case you missed this part; the war was against ... (show quote)


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That is great logic, our forebears failed to extirpate Islam, which would essentially mean genocide. Therefore we should ignore the fact that Moslems are at the root of all of the current strife in the Middle East as they have been in most conflicts for the last 1400 years. They are attempting to subvert our way of life in this country and imposer there beliefs and laws here and your recommendation is to do nothing.

You had better go buy yourself a prayer rug and some gunny sacks for your women folk.

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Apr 6, 2015 13:38:17   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
lpnmajor wrote:
In case you missed this part; the war was against Barbary PIRATES, who happened to be ( nominally ) Muslim. They never claimed Allah "made them do it", unlike todays radicals. Most of the captured crews were ransomed back, prior to that war. Ransomed with the sanction of the US Government. The US Government paid TRIBUTE to the pirates, for a number of years, to prevent American ships from being raided.

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Apparently you missed this part of the post:
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripolis ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

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Why don't you blame the British and French? They had most Muslim countries under their control for generations, as part of their empires and could have eliminated the religion of Islam during that time - but didn't. Islam could have been eliminated during WWII, during all the North Africa campaigns - but wasn't. So, it is NOT our job now - to correct the mistakes made before we were born.
In case you missed this part; the war was against ... (show quote)


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That is great logic, our forebears failed to extirpate Islam, which would essentially mean genocide. Therefore we should ignore the fact that Moslems are at the root of all of the current strife in the Middle East as they have been in most conflicts for the last 1400 years. They are attempting to subvert our way of life in this country and imposer there beliefs and laws here and your recommendation is to do nothing.

You had better go buy yourself a prayer rug and some gunny sacks for your women folk.

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Apr 6, 2015 13:44:24   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
pafret wrote:
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That is great logic, our forebears failed to extirpate Islam, which would essentially mean genocide. Therefore we should ignore the fact that Moslems are at the root of all of the current strife in the Middle East as they have been in most conflicts for the last 1400 years. They are attempting to subvert our way of life in this country and imposer there beliefs and laws here and your recommendation is to do nothing.

You had better go buy yourself a prayer rug and some gunny sacks for your women folk.
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Apologies for the double post, I need to clean the Raccoon dropp0ings out of the keyboard.

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Apr 6, 2015 13:44:24   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
pafret wrote:
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That is great logic, our forebears failed to extirpate Islam, which would essentially mean genocide. Therefore we should ignore the fact that Moslems are at the root of all of the current strife in the Middle East as they have been in most conflicts for the last 1400 years. They are attempting to subvert our way of life in this country and imposer there beliefs and laws here and your recommendation is to do nothing.

You had better go buy yourself a prayer rug and some gunny sacks for your women folk.
******************************* br br That is gre... (show quote)


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Apologies for the double post, I need to clean the Raccoon dropp0ings out of the keyboard.

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Apr 6, 2015 14:29:23   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
grace scott wrote:
I wonder what would happen if a political candidate stated his agenda was to rid America of Islam. I would vote for them. Would you?


YES, you bet your behind I would, in a NY sec,. !

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Apr 6, 2015 14:46:21   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
DamnYANKEE wrote:
The AFRICOONS are joining IZLAM as fast as they can . Mights well , wipe them out too :D


And that is very strange. It was muslims that enslaved them in Africa, killed 5,000,000 Africans, more or less, with forced marches, castration, dehydration, exposure, infanticide and other forms of murder and torture. Less than 500,000 made it to America, where, in 1865 they were freed. Today, a person of direct African descent has an average live span of about 65 years. In Africa, about half that is STILL the average life span. Still, some of African descent want reparations, maybe they'd prefer an average life span in the 30's.....

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Apr 6, 2015 14:55:38   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
fidelis wrote:
AMEN SEMPER FI


he slogan was "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute!" which is why we should cut foreign and other aid to muslim nations and to the gaza strip. They see it as the jizya, a tribute.

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Apr 6, 2015 15:20:08   #
OneWay
 
grace scott wrote:
I wonder what would happen if a political candidate stated his agenda was to rid America of Islam. I would vote for them. Would you?


I would not only vote for that candidate, I would spend much of my income to promote that same candidate.

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Apr 6, 2015 20:51:09   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Armageddun wrote:
Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"



Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became Americas Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripolis ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify.

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line to the shores of Tripoli in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as leathernecks for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.

This should bother every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on&#65533;.

Its death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda. Sadly, it appears that todays America's leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

Any doubts, just Google Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World."

IN GOD WE TRUST
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great post Armie
America faces its greatest test from Islam
its convert or pay us taxes or die heathens
WAKE UP AMERICA

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Apr 6, 2015 20:52:18   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
grace scott wrote:
I wonder what would happen if a political candidate stated his agenda was to rid America of Islam. I would vote for them. Would you?


yes :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 6, 2015 21:35:22   #
Sicilianthing
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
What does that have to do with the magnificent 442nd RTC?


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They were Japs ?

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