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Apr 4, 2015 06:38:56   #
Richard94611
 
You made a statemenet that you conservatives don't distort anything. I gave you a posting with 5 examples that you do. I rest my case.


Ranger7374 wrote:
Do you really think that opinion, yes you posted OPINION, overrides the facts?

I posted facts, that you all ignored and then proceeded to ridicule me, oh please!

I attacked principle, with facts. I was attacked by opinion.

State the facts, just the facts. Then I will continue to debate. Call me names, or assume I'm something that is clear to the OPP I am not, I will ignore it.

Facts not opinion. Please....

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Apr 4, 2015 06:50:26   #
Antisocialist Loc: Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
If you are talking about his undergraduate years, Harvard, of course.


I'm not asking for your opinion or what you believe in, I want facts.

Where can the records be found?

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Apr 4, 2015 06:52:56   #
Antisocialist Loc: Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
This is not one of the "libtard" rules of debate. It is considered to be a rule of logic, something you seem not to have much of a grasp of.


You are referring to Libtard Logic and thankfully you are correct; I am unable to grasp the concept of believing a lie.

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Apr 4, 2015 06:55:21   #
Richard94611
 
Antisocialist, that is not just an opinion. It is a fact. Have you ever attended a college or university ? All colleges and universities keep a permanent record of every student's grades and distinctions. "Permanent" means forever. Call Harvard University, ask for the media contact, and when you reach the media office ask how you can get a copy of Obama's record. Do you need it spelled out any more clearly ?


Antisocialist wrote:
I'm not asking for your opinion or what you believe in, I want facts.

Where can the records be found?

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Apr 4, 2015 06:57:09   #
Richard94611
 
This statement that you cannot prove a negative but only a positive is true, whether you are a conservative or a liberal. It is one of the rules of logic. There is much that you seem unable to grasp.

Antisocialist wrote:
You are referring to Libtard Logic and thankfully you are correct; I am unable to grasp the concept of believing a lie.

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Apr 4, 2015 07:04:27   #
Richard94611
 
Ranger7374 states:

(Ranger's opinion, not a fact)Fact: Obama committed treason against the United States by trading five terrorists for a deserter against Congressional approval. These five terrorists returned to the battlefield.

Fact: The citizenship investigation has not been concluded on Obama's citizenship. Nevertheless, I have to side with John McCain saying until the investigation on the citizenship is concluded, Obama is an American citizen.

Stupid question. What action would you expect him to take?Fact: It was on Obama's watch that our ambassador was killed. Why didn't Obama do anything about the situation?

not a factFact: Hillary Clinton resigned her post as Secretary of State, because of the incident.

To become a law, Obama must sign the legislation. If he has not signed it and it has not gone back and passed 2/3 of the legislature, then it is not a lawFact: Obama has failed to exercise his duties as President, by enforcing laws passed by Congress.

A controversy ? Wow ! Fact: Obama created a controversy on Arizona's law SB1070, when the federal government was not enforcing the laws of illegal immigration in the state, so the state took matters to defend themselves.

Fact: The Supreme Court of the United States declared that Arizona 1070 was 90 percent constitutional. The law stands, except for the portion relating to businesses.

If you were to go to the Topic http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-18698-1.html more facts are posted there. Some in Article, section, and verse. Feel free to read them. I just posted a few here....

They are undoubtedly conservative pipe-dreams if you posted them here and if these are any examples of what is there.

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Apr 4, 2015 07:05:49   #
Richard94611
 
Are you religious ? If so, you grasp the idea of believing a lie very well indeed.


Antisocialist wrote:
You are referring to Libtard Logic and thankfully you are correct; I am unable to grasp the concept of believing a lie.

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Apr 4, 2015 08:19:18   #
Antisocialist Loc: Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Antisocialist, that is not just an opinion. It is a fact. Have you ever attended a college or university ? All colleges and universities keep a permanent record of every student's grades and distinctions. "Permanent" means forever. Call Harvard University, ask for the media contact, and when you reach the media office ask how you can get a copy of Obama's record. Do you need it spelled out any more clearly ?


Can't be done.

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Apr 4, 2015 08:19:55   #
Antisocialist Loc: Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Are you religious ? If so, you grasp the idea of believing a lie very well indeed.


I am agnostic.

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Apr 4, 2015 08:28:33   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Haughty Lib wrote:
Debate Class 101. Again, you don't understand the rules of debate. A debater is not required to prove the negative.

The formal rules for HONEST debate is for the one making the original accusation to prove it..

You're accusing him of unconstitutionality, so YOU bear the burden of proof.

Copy and pasting a list originally posted by some unknown L-O-S-E-R on Craig's list, is not a great start for you.

Ah, cutting out portions of one's post so you can reply with more confidence.
It's what you do when you don't have anything to counter with.
This is also what you HAVE to do to make yourself relevant in in your own eyes.....for those on here already know how irrelevant you are.

I posted this:
"Take each example and explain to us, with your unsurpassed knowledge, how each example is not a violation of our Constitution.

Or....do what you normally do when I present truth to you and either leave the thread or cop out with some lame excuse why you won't back up your statement.
You posted this WAY to fast to have read more than a couple of his violations so you are also a slacker."

Face it HL, you can't deal with the truth and also cannot come up with one thing that disputes Obama's Constitutional violations....and that was the short list since his violations of federal law far outnumber those presented.

You completely FAIL!
As usual.

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Apr 4, 2015 09:40:58   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
So why is it always about the Christians?

Where's the outrage here?

Where's the "media"?

Why isn't the homosexual community demanding these bakeries serve them or shut down?

Where's the "national" exposure?

Where's the protests?

Where's the demanding of boycotts?

What will those on this thread defending against "discrimination" say?

This is not a political battle being fought in America, but the destruction of the Evangelical Christian culture and mindset in America.....muslims seem to ALWAYS be exempt....why is this?

Vid supplied by Sicilianthing:

HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4

Source:
http://louderwithcrowder.com/hidden-camera-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakery/#ixzz3WJ9e9900

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Apr 4, 2015 11:23:55   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
This is all too obvious.

The Real Discrimination in America is from Liberals and Gays Against Christians!
By Michael Minkoff / 4 April 2015


The situation in Indiana over so-called religious freedom is completely ridiculous. Let’s just overlook the fact that the Indiana religious freedom act is just a more local version of the national RFRA signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1993. That in itself should indicate that the current hatred is contrived at best.

But let’s also look at the targets of hatred. The Christian owners of an Indiana pizzeria nearly shuttered their business after they were threatened by homosexual activists. And just what were homosexual activists angry about? A hypothetical situation. Nothing more and nothing less.
Read more at:
http://eaglerising.com/16884/the-real-discrimination-in-america-is-from-liberals-and-gays...



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Apr 4, 2015 11:36:21   #
Haughty Lib Loc: Boston, NYC, D.C.
 
Antisocialist wrote:
O'shitstain a Constitutional Scholar? I'd like to verify that; where can his college records be found?



Hello? He ran the Harvard Law Review.

But, bottom line is this. Well reasoned INTELLIGENT people cannot lower themselves into taking your tin foil had racism seriously.

We get it Hitler, David Duke and Stormfront tells you it's impossible for black men to be intelligent so you just can't fathom one could be a constitutional scholar.

Against my better judgement, here's some counterpoint;

"Those who have attested to having daily personal experience with him during his time at {Columbia} include:

Friend and roommate Sohale Siddiqi, whom the Associated Press located and interviewed in May 2008.

Roommate Phil Boerner, who provided his recollections of sharing a New York City apartment with classmate Barack Obama to the Columbia College Today alumni publication and the New York Times in early 2009.

Michael L. Baron, who taught the year-long honors seminar in American Foreign Policy that Barack Obama took during his senior year at Columbia and recalled in an NBC interview Obama's "easily acing" the class and receiving an A for his senior paper on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.

Likewise, other external evidence documents Barack Obama's presence at Columbia from 1981-83, including:

An article by Barack Obama published in the 10 March 1983 edition of Columbia's Sundial school magazine.

A January 2005 Columbia College Today profile of Barack Obama as a Columbia alumnus.

A Columbia College press release from November 2008 identifying him as "the first College alumnus to be elected President of the United States."

Finally, the fatal flaw in the "Obama didn't go to Columbia" theory is that he couldn't have been admitted to Harvard Law School in 1988 without having received an undergraduate degree. If he wasn't attending Columbia from 1981-83, he would have had to complete two full years' worth of coursework at (and graduate from) some other accredited college — yet his time between the end of his Columbia days in 1983 and his entering Harvard Law in 1988 is accounted for (working at the Business International Corporation and the New York Public Interest Research Group, then serving as director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago), and no other school claims him as an alumnus, nor does anyone purport to have encountered him as a classmate or student at any other college or university during that period
."

Please don't bother posting one of your RW conspiracy sources as 'proof'. They're not respectable reliable sources to INTELLECTUALLY HONEST debaters.

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Apr 4, 2015 11:40:14   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Richard94611 wrote:
You made a statemenet that you conservatives don't distort anything. I gave you a posting with 5 examples that you do. I rest my case.


And I gave you over 20 pages of posts that do not distort anything. I win, and rest my case.

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Apr 4, 2015 11:43:53   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Haughty Lib wrote:
Hello? He ran the Harvard Law Review.

But, bottom line is this. Well reasoned INTELLIGENT people cannot lower themselves into taking your tin foil had racism seriously.

We get it Hitler, David Duke and Stormfront tells you it's impossible for black men to be intelligent so you just can't fathom one could be a constitutional scholar.

Please don't bother posting one of your RW conspiracy sources as 'proof'. They're not respectable reliable sources to INTELLECTUALLY HONEST debaters.
Hello? He ran the Harvard Law Review. br br But,... (show quote)


This discussion is not whether Obama is black or white, that is immaterial. This discussion is about discrimination and bigotry, or religious persecution......

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