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Apr 2, 2015 09:18:44   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
She Wolf wrote:
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Abortions should be between a woman and her physician. It is none of anyone else's business.....


How about the man the woman bedded in order to become pregnant.

Has he no say in the matter? He can be expected to support the child once born.

How dare you suggest the man is not factored?

Oh, before you go into the far left case of rape or incest, realize that is so small a factor that it should not even be included as a rule -- rather an exception to it.

Who had an abortion... Monica who?
Who had an abortion... Monica who?...

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Apr 2, 2015 09:22:36   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
mcmlx wrote:
Correct on the fact that I would be wrong to impose my beliefs on others, She Wolf.
Morality cannot be legislated.
It didn't take me fifteen minutes to decide to murder my child in 1978. My parents suggested, and I was all too ready to do it. Selfish, selfish I was.
We never discussed any other option. Planned Parenthood lied to me and did the procedure.
Knowing now that every child is a gift from GOD, I don't doubt HIS forgiveness, but I struggle with forgiving myself.
I'm now very anti-abortion, and am talking/listening about it with women who can help me share what is extremely important to me.
It's been thirty seven years and I still cry.
So, what I'm trying to say is that the decision to kill my unborn child WAS a snap decision. People will lie and tell girls what they want to hear.
If I can save one....
MCMLX
Correct on the fact that I would be wrong to impos... (show quote)


Thank you for sharing MCLX.....I know that must have been extremely difficult, but you are now serving a better cause, and an even a greater Lord!

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Apr 2, 2015 09:25:58   #
mcmlx
 
bdamage wrote:
So you believe a woman has the "right" to exterminate and dispose of this:

Parents Sing – Baby Claps Hands… In The Womb!
Tim Brown Mar 30, 2015

Here is more evidence that babies in the womb are not "blobs of tissue." An ultrasound captured a 14-week-old baby clapping its hands together as its mother sings.

"If You're Happy and You Know It Clap Your Hands" takes on new meaning as Jen Cardinal from the United Kingdom sings to her precious unborn baby.
Read full story and watch ultra sound vid:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/03/parents-sing-baby-claps-hands-in-the-womb/#
So you believe a woman has the "right" t... (show quote)


That's why I cry now. Had anyone told me this truth when I was seventeen, a 37 year old might still be alive.
But ashamed I am not! I will happily tell my story if it makes a difference for even one life to be saved.
MCMLX

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Apr 2, 2015 09:33:31   #
mcmlx
 
bdamage wrote:
Thank you for sharing MCLX.....I know that must have been extremely difficult, but you are now serving a better cause, and an even a greater Lord!


Words can't describe how good HE is!!
Forgiving and merciful don't even start to tell of HIS love for us.
MCMLX

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Apr 2, 2015 09:37:46   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
mcmlx wrote:
Words can't describe how good HE is!!
Forgiving and merciful don't even start to tell of HIS love for us.
MCMLX


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 2, 2015 09:39:20   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
righty wrote:
sorry to hear this. but, your post is so far from the truth. There is no law, nor would there be a law preventing a doctor from inducing labor in the situation of a stillborn. So no your cousin would not have had to live with a stillborn in her for 2 months.


That is correct. A baby that is already dead in the womb is a danger to the mother and must be removed as soon as possibly before the body has broken down enough to cause sepsis in the mother. Where anyone ever got the idea that that had been illegal until Roe VRS Wade is beyond all comprehension.

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Apr 2, 2015 09:45:37   #
Ckevix7
 
[quote=mcmlx]Morality cannot be legislated./quote]

What exactly then are the laws we have against theft, murder, battery, graft, etc. based on?

I say that quote is a straw man meant to end discussion of any new legislation by simply stating that we can't.

Ending a life in the womb should have a specific set of requirements and beyond that set, it should be illegal.

That would be "legislating morality" and it would be beneficial.

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Apr 2, 2015 09:55:08   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
[quote=Ckevix7]
mcmlx wrote:
Morality cannot be legislated./quote]

What exactly then are the laws we have against theft, murder, battery, graft, etc. based on?

I say that quote is a straw man meant to end discussion of any new legislation by simply stating that we can't.

Ending a life in the womb should have a specific set of requirements and beyond that set, it should be illegal.

That would be "legislating morality" and it would be beneficial.


Who will decide the specific set of requirements? What will they be based upon? Legislating morality, whose morality? You may not agree with my moral code. Do I have the right to force it on you and your family? You might find my moral code a bit restrictive. Abortion is a medical procedure. It is a decision that should be reached by the woman and her physician.

It is none of our business, unless we are personally involved.

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Apr 2, 2015 10:00:13   #
mcmlx
 
[quote=Ckevix7]
mcmlx wrote:
Morality cannot be legislated./quote]

What exactly then are the laws we have against theft, murder, battery, graft, etc. based on?

I say that quote is a straw man meant to end discussion of any new legislation by simply stating that we can't.

Ending a life in the womb should have a specific set of requirements and beyond that set, it should be illegal.

That would be "legislating morality" and it would be beneficial.


I think, that because murder is illegal, the corrupt government is trying to convince people that abortion is not murder.
I believe that the government is a fraudulent gang of thugs. I believe that 90% of us are totally capable of governing ourselves. I believe that you and I will make decisions based upon our own morals.
MCMLX

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Apr 2, 2015 10:05:10   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
How about the man the woman bedded in order to become pregnant.

Has he no say in the matter? He can be expected to support the child once born.

How dare you suggest the man is not factored?

Oh, before you go into the far left case of rape or incest, realize that is so small a factor that it should not even be included as a rule -- rather an exception to it.


How dare you suggest women should be subjugated to the will of a man. If the couple disagrees it comes down to whose body it is. Men always have the choice of knowing who they are having sex with just as women do.

Sorry, but women do not need a man to make decisions for us. We are quite capable of making our own.

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Apr 2, 2015 10:07:40   #
mcmlx
 
mcmlx wrote:
I think, that because murder is illegal, the corrupt government is trying to convince people that abortion is not murder.
I believe that the government is a fraudulent gang of thugs. I believe that 90% of us are totally capable of governing ourselves. I believe that you and I will make decisions based upon our own morals.
MCMLX


And if the government wasn't trying so hard to convince the people to buy into population control, it would go against it's whole New World Order agenda.
MCMLX

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Apr 2, 2015 10:22:39   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
bdamage wrote:
So you believe a woman has the "right" to exterminate and dispose of this:

Parents Sing – Baby Claps Hands… In The Womb!
Tim Brown Mar 30, 2015

Here is more evidence that babies in the womb are not "blobs of tissue." An ultrasound captured a 14-week-old baby clapping its hands together as its mother sings.

"If You're Happy and You Know It Clap Your Hands" takes on new meaning as Jen Cardinal from the United Kingdom sings to her precious unborn baby.
Read full story and watch ultra sound vid:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/03/parents-sing-baby-claps-hands-in-the-womb/#
So you believe a woman has the "right" t... (show quote)


I believe abortion is wrong. It is against my faith. However, I do not believe I have the right to make choices for other people. I have not lived their life. I do not know all the circumstances. Only God can judge. Not you or me. It is not our place to force someone to live our path. We are faced everyday with choices. We make them based upon our moral code.

I do not wish to make decisions for others in as much as I do not consider myself perfect. I am human. I make mistakes. I am not qualified to tell you how to live your life.

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Apr 2, 2015 10:41:46   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Abortion for rape, incest or mother's life are the only real reason's for abortion but we have said it's ok for convince, who's convince?



She Wolf wrote:
I never said anything as remotely stupid as that. What I said is I do not believe in abortions so I won't have one. It is not my right to impose my beliefs on others.

We can not legislate morality. People, such as myself, who do not believe abortion is a viable choice, are not forced to have one. Do you believe you have the right to impose your beliefs onto other people? Be careful. If we give you that right, we just may give the same right to people who disagree with you.

Abortions should be between a woman and her physician. It is none of anyone else's business.
I never said anything as remotely stupid as that. ... (show quote)

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Apr 2, 2015 10:45:44   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
She Wolf wrote:
I believe abortion is wrong. It is against my faith. However, I do not believe I have the right to make choices for other people. I have not lived their life. I do not know all the circumstances. Only God can judge. Not you or me. It is not our place to force someone to live our path. We are faced everyday with choices. We make them based upon our moral code.

I do not wish to make decisions for others in as much as I do not consider myself perfect. I am human. I make mistakes. I am not qualified to tell you how to live your life.
I believe abortion is wrong. It is against my fai... (show quote)


So...if someone were to tell you they are going to kill someone because they are "gay" and that is why they will shoot them head, you feel NO obligation to tell them that is wrong and they should not do that?
When good people stand by and do nothing, evil prevails She Wolf.

Get a clue, will ya?

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Apr 2, 2015 10:50:07   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
She Wolf wrote:
How dare you suggest women should be subjugated to the will of a man. If the couple disagrees it comes down to whose body it is. Men always have the choice of knowing who they are having sex with just as women do.

Sorry, but women do not need a man to make decisions for us. We are quite capable of making our own.


Even when it involves the expecting mother wanting to murder her child in the womb due to a matter of "convenience" of who also has a father who wants their child to be born?

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