Banning Zeros- IDIOTS (Page 6): You've become jaded carol. Its ok. As to common core, I have read a good deal of it, mostly the math portions relating to those accusations about it.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

And no, it's more than a guideline. I don't think... (show quote)

You've become jaded carol. Its ok. As to common core, I have read a good deal of it, mostly the math portions relating to those accusations about it.

I'll take a look at the part you are referencing. But it'd be easier if you'd put up a link to the part you are referring to.

Sorry you don't love my brain anymore.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

No its not. Its a guideline. Without a guideline... (show quote)

Whether it's Republican inspired or other, the whole idea stinks.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

You've become jaded carol. Its ok. As to common core, I have read a good deal of it, mostly the math portions relating to those accusations about it.

I'll take a look at the part you are referencing. But it'd be easier if you'd put up a link to the part you are referring to.

Sorry you don't love my brain anymore.

I feel that if I were taking a course from you, I would be damned unless I thought the way you wanted me to think.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

Question:

Teachers no longer give zeros, and still our high school graduation rate is atrocious?

That points to the other factors involved in education, don't you think? Teachers cannot undo what the outside world does to kids when they are young or the ongoing atrocities perpetrated upon kids by their parents and peers. Those are societal problems.

School districts should not get the blame for low grad rates.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

You've become jaded carol. Its ok. As to common core, I have read a good deal of it, mostly the math portions relating to those accusations about it.

I'll take a look at the part you are referencing. But it'd be easier if you'd put up a link to the part you are referring to.

Sorry you don't love my brain anymore.

And what do you think about the 3rd grade imperative, "The wants of individuals are not important.". This in a lesson about how hard the president's job is. Again, read my thread "Confessions of a High School Math Teacher."

As I asked about BO 5 years ago, "Who died and made you the determinator of the greater good?" Can you see the dangerous fallacy in having a "set" of guidelines? If everyone is to learn the same thing, the same way, then those who are in power, whoever they may be, are feeding "facts" to the young which are not true. Who will decide on their truth value?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

I feel that if I were taking a course from you, I would be damned unless I thought the way you wanted me to think.

You would not. I got a call from one of my daughters teachers. She wanted to let me know that my daughter had given the class a lecture on why she didn't like To Kill a Mockingbird. She said my daughter reminded her of herself. It was highly complementary. When asked, they were expecting my daughter to give her reasons for loving it.

Anyway, I love the diversity one finds in a classroom. Most teachers I know do as well, but that's not to say that the public might perceive it as something bad. The public perception of schools is always way off the mark. They just won't take responsibility for their kids poor performance due to questionable upbringing.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

That points to the other factors involved in education, don't you think? Teachers cannot undo what the outside world does to kids when they are young or the ongoing atrocities perpetrated upon kids by their parents and peers. Those are societal problems.

School districts should not get the blame for low grad rates.

Maybe teachers can't, but they shouldn't be in the business of perpetrating the atrocities themselves. Get out of your fantasy that government knows best for all people, young or old. Or you will find yourself in a society similar to Nazi Germany.

jimahrens Loc: California

Of course your right. Everyone else is wrong. The education system was fine until the Gov stuck there useless nose in it. Tell me I am wrong.

nwtk2007 wrote:

You've become jaded carol. Its ok. As to common core, I have read a good deal of it, mostly the math portions relating to those accusations about it.

I'll take a look at the part you are referencing. But it'd be easier if you'd put up a link to the part you are referring to.

Sorry you don't love my brain anymore.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

You would not. I got a call from one of my daught... (show quote)

If you like Common Core, I assure you, you would.

Anyway, read some of my other threads, such as "Countervailing Powers", and you might learn something.

jimahrens Loc: California

Guidelines Shit he can't see nose in front of his face. Kids are so screwed up now take years to fix.

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

And what do you think about the 3rd grade imperati... (show quote)

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

No its not. Its a guideline. Without a guideline... (show quote)

In short, the costs of Common Core, far outweigh any benefits it might have. This in reply to your question: How do you quantify where students fall?

And it isn't working anyway.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

That points to the other factors involved in education, don't you think? Teachers cannot undo what the outside world does to kids when they are young or the ongoing atrocities perpetrated upon kids by their parents and peers. Those are societal problems.

School districts should not get the blame for low grad rates.

Yes, school districts should. And the welfare state should, which perpetuates and worsens poverty. Look around you.

Liberalism has educated Marching Morons.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

In short, the costs of Common Core, far outweigh any benefits it might have. This in reply to your question: How do you quantify where students fall?

And it isn't working anyway.

Look at the perfomance of the students in states using common core guidelines. Compare to those not using common core. Its just a thought if it can be done. Love ya guys.

CarolSeer2016

nwtk2007 wrote:

Look at the perfomance of the students in states using common core guidelines. Compare to those not using common core. Its just a thought if it can be done. Love ya guys.

Oh come on, nwtk. If that isn't circular reasoning, I don't know what is. Who is determining the "performance"? What are the "guidelines" being used to determine performance?

That's a ridiculous argument!

OhSoSordid Loc: Appalachia

slatten49 wrote:

I basically agree, but do believe the administrators and the teachers can have something to do with it. Most student's grades are related to the involvement of their parents. Assistance in their approach of learning by teachers and administrators can be significant. :thumbup: BTW, Scott, kudos on your chosen profession. I can't imagine any teacher in it for the money. Most I have known over the years love to teach, and love children. :wink:

OMG, ROFL, did you go to school on or just down from Walton's Mountain?