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Oct 2, 2013 00:45:55   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
How did i come to believe what I do about the Tea so called party?

Because of the views put out by some of the most noted people that have spoken out as a voice of the tea party.

I seen news casts, read the news paper & check he internet.
What I have seen or heard is a bit more closer to truth than you figures on immigration.



I would venture a guess as to where you get all your info. NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NYT's, WASH. POST, TIME MAG, HUFFINGTON POST and the other left wing outlets. Oh yes, let us not forget King Barack and his propaganda minister, Jay Carney.

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Oct 2, 2013 00:47:08   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
I would venture a guess as to where you get all your info. NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NYT's, WASH. POST, TIME MAG, HUFFINGTON POST, MEDIA MATTERS, DAILY KOS and the other left wing outlets. Oh yes, let us not forget King Barack and his propaganda minister, Jay Carney.

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Oct 2, 2013 07:02:08   #
astrolite
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
How did i come to believe what I do about the Tea so called party?

Because of the views put out by some of the most noted people that have spoken out as a voice of the tea party.

I seen news casts, read the news paper & check he internet.
What I have seen or heard is a bit more closer to truth than you figures on immigration.


I'm sure? You watch MSNBC, Read the Washington Post, And Download Salon, The Alternet, And The Huffington Post? Those figures come from an open letter from ICE to congress! Their funds are being cut again, Obama and Holder don't want the illegal criminals to be caught and deported! ICE is way understaffed, and will be overwhelmed "WHEN" (not if) unlimited hordes pour over the border! The figures NOW are only 80% caught and returned, THAT includes 25% of the total who are Muslims! "HE" hasn't yet ordered that those 25% be allowed to sneak in without hinderance! And your propaganda outlets hide the real numbers of Muslims entering OUR country! Look at England and France! That is already happening here, WE already have a Muslim president!

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Oct 2, 2013 08:34:45   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Okay there is no official Tea party.

But there are things happening in the US now That are similar to what happened in the 1700s leading to the original tea party.

Look past the terms used for the issue. But the thing was the wealthy in England were sucking the wealth from the people living in America.The issue I bring up is that the wealthy in America are sucking the money form most Americans.

I think you misinterpret what I understand the tea party represents. One of the big early complaints was the bank bail outs. An interesting aspect of that was how the liberal Democrats responded to them - how they saw this as a real threat. What most people don't seem to understand is that these banks are hardly run by conservatives - or even establishment Republicans (who the tea party also opposes). Take a look, for example, at who runs the largest of the banks - JPMorgan-Chase. His name is Jamie Dimon and he has long been a leading Democrat Party fund raiser and a loyal supporter of both Clinton and Obama.
England was doing it with taxes. Here it is being done mostly through the financial system.

Those of the so called Tea party are looking at the problem a being cause by the poor looking for a break causing their taxes to be to high.

When it is mainly caused by the Big Banks, Wall Street & other Financial systems wanting to much from the public for the part they play in the system.

So I say that is where to look to make any changes.
They are the ones killing the Middle Class.

Just look at what the check cashing places do
If they sucked less there would be more money in central cities for the small small shop owners in those areas.
Not the much, but maybe just a bit better life for all people
living in those areas.

I don't have that much to complain about the taxes I pay but it is enough to show that I pay more on the money I earn on my labor than I do on the money I make on the money I make on my investments.
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Oct 2, 2013 09:15:28   #
astrolite
 
Mainstream Republicans??? No they are called RHINOS: Republicans in name only! Like Charlie Christ, and McCain, and lots of others! They follow orders from Obama and vote with the democrats! Sort of like Bloomberg! True conservatives mostly side with the Tea Party. They think that they are taxed enough already for things nobody wants, and things that are anti American. And tax money given to our enemies! Taxes paid to eco-wacko groups to promote fake global warming! (Grants to prove climate change) to get the grant, the receipient must lie to prove the falsehood desired by the grantor! And many millions given to green groups to sue private citizens. I don't donate to Earth First or Greenpeace, but the government gives my tax money to them! I don't believe in Abortion...but my government gives MY TAX MONEY to Planned Parenthood for abortions! I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY in the liberals' eyes that makes me a terrorist and racist ???

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Oct 2, 2013 10:16:53   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
I would venture a guess as to where you get all your info. NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NYT's, WASH. POST, TIME MAG, HUFFINGTON POST and the other left wing outlets. Oh yes, let us not forget King Barack and his propaganda minister, Jay Carney.


I would venture that the quality of the information I get is no worse that what you get. It all comes down to what you make of it.

Because of where I am in this stage off my life I chose freely in what I believe. Lets just say I am as close to being a true capitalist as any on here. I am self employed, have income property & money in the stock market. I live with in my income & have some left over.

I feel that I am in the middle. I would like to think that most
people here are also. So I feel the solutions that are good for the middle would be better.

The problem as I see it is too few people are taking too much out of the main stream & using it in ways that are not good for the rest of us. Like buying Washington.

Some feel that our problems are caused by the poor free loaders. I will agree that there are problems in that area.
Being in the middle & seeing all sides I feel I get a good view of what is going on & perhaps what could be a better answer.

I feel that it is people like us who have much the same over all interests, need to look a the problems in light of the fact that the middle is carrying most of the burden & is increasing.

I also feel that it is the wealth being increasingly in fewer hands is not a good system for those of us in the middle.

The bottom has been almost sucked dry & they are coming strong for the middle to pick up the load.

I feel that I have enough for now. But the picture gets dimmer as I look at what could happen.

To look at the problem isn't where the money gos but where it ends up.

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Oct 2, 2013 11:00:35   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I would venture that the quality of the information I get is no worse that what you get. It all comes down to what you make of it.

Because of where I am in this stage off my life I chose freely in what I believe. Lets just say I am as close to being a true capitalist as any on here. I am self employed, have income property & money in the stock market. I live with in my income & have some left over.

I feel that I am in the middle. I would like to think that most
people here are also. So I feel the solutions that are good for the middle would be better.

The problem as I see it is too few people are taking too much out of the main stream & using it in ways that are not good for the rest of us. Like buying Washington.

Some feel that our problems are caused by the poor free loaders. I will agree that there are problems in that area.
Being in the middle & seeing all sides I feel I get a good view of what is going on & perhaps what could be a better answer.

I feel that it is people like us who have much the same over all interests, need to look a the problems in light of the fact that the middle is carrying most of the burden & is increasing.

I also feel that it is the wealth being increasingly in fewer hands is not a good system for those of us in the middle.

The bottom has been almost sucked dry & they are coming strong for the middle to pick up the load.

I feel that I have enough for now. But the picture gets dimmer as I look at what could happen.

To look at the problem isn't where the money gos but where it ends up.
I would venture that the quality of the informatio... (show quote)


I agree with everything you say - but think you need to go further. Why is there more and more concentration of wealth even though we have a President who clearly favors wealth redistribution. Ironically, this concentration became even worse with him in office. I maintian the root problem on both ends of the income extremes is big government. Those on the top of the heap use big centralized government to rig things in thier favor - things like complicated tax laws, anti-competitive regulations that serve to restrict entry into much of the economic activity, and major give aways using public funds to buy their products (example - Pepsi's major lobbying efforts at expanding food stamps - reason should be obvious). At the other end of the economic scale are those that are maintained as wards of the government, with neither the incentives nor educational infrastructure to self improve. As wards of the state, they remain loyal voters - leaving the big government and big money folks needing only some of the middle class to win elections and keep control.

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Oct 2, 2013 13:34:18   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
[quote=Floyd Brown]Your right the Tea party dose not impress me. & I do not listen much to their rants. I see enough to know that they are more for dividing the country than bring it together.


Yes Floyd the Tea Party is dividing the Country. It is a division between the Patriots that want to return the Country back into the Constitutional Republic upon which it was founded while the elitist power broker's currently in charge do not want to relinquish their political correct Socialistic dreams for America. They want more and bigger government control over their serfs. The serfs are awakening and it is very disturbing to the 'masters'. This includes both Republicrats and Demonrats.

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Oct 2, 2013 13:45:25   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
[quote=Old_Gringo]
Floyd Brown wrote:
Your right the Tea party dose not impress me. & I do not listen much to their rants. I see enough to know that they are more for dividing the country than bring it together.


Yes Floyd the Tea Party is dividing the Country. It is a division between the Patriots that want to return the Country back into the Constitutional Republic upon which it was founded while the elitist power broker's currently in charge do not want to relinquish their political correct Socialistic dreams for America. They want more and bigger government control over their serfs. The serfs are awakening and it is very disturbing to the 'masters'. This includes both Republicrats and Demonrats.
Your right the Tea party dose not impress me. &... (show quote)


The TEA Party people want less taxes, and less government over control over our lives. How does that translate into what you claim?

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Oct 2, 2013 14:40:54   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
The TEA Party people want less taxes, and less government over control over our lives. How does that translate into what you claim?


Doug, are you replying to me, O G, or to Floyd?

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Oct 2, 2013 18:04:36   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
That was in reply to your comment. How do you figure that the TEA Party want's bigger government? You've never been to a TEA Party rally, have you?

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Oct 2, 2013 18:08:40   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
BoJester wrote:
The repukes who are so busy looking for 'phoney' scandals missed one in their own backyard. Yes, the needless deaths of 19 firefighters in the Arizona fire. Thanks to the inept governor Brewer, REPUBLICAN, the guideline for firefighting safety have not been reviewed or up-dated because of the fear of 'government'. So 19 guys died. Meanwhile, the idiotic issa and his band of teabags are still hoping, looking, and praying for something, anything, that looks like a scandal in Benghazi. A waste of time and money, since they will never accept the answers they have already got.
19 guys died, and the republican governor did nothing to try and save them. Great headline.


http://news.yahoo.com/radio-problems-cited-deaths-19-firefighters-170704851.html
The repukes who are so busy looking for 'phoney' s... (show quote)


Bomolester: Busy pumping more ridiculous sand - "Back into your Troll Hole!

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Oct 2, 2013 19:12:06   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
That was in reply to your comment. How do you figure that the TEA Party want's bigger government? You've never been to a TEA Party rally, have you?


Doug when replying to someone, use the "quote reply". That way we will know to whom you are replying.

If it was me to whom you were addressing where did you arrive at the assumption that I suggested the T. P. wants bigger government? That is anathema to my beliefs.

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Oct 2, 2013 22:53:10   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Doug when replying to someone, use the "quote reply". That way we will know to whom you are replying.

If it was me to whom you were addressing where did you arrive at the assumption that I suggested the T. P. wants bigger government? That is anathema to my beliefs.


That's what it appeared to be? Sorry, I'm losing track of who said what.

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