Patty

That wouldn't feed their bribes and stock options coming from the military complex and that wouldn't please their Masters.

Artemis

No way to break the pattern, Utopia is only in the after life

Artemis

There is a rise and fall with every civilization, with every ending a new beginning, someday our humanity will surpass our technology.

Patty

The only way I can see that they will be stopped is if the dollar collapses. Washington is obviously insane with plans for hegemony.

Artemis

It appears that way, but to what end? America is the largest consumer in the world thereby it being the base of world economy, if we fall so will the rest, how would that benefit them.

Some believe there is a diabolical plan to set the world in chaos in order to attempt to create a new world government. That seems a bit extreme for me, but anything is possible.

Patty

The dollar has failed 3 times in the last 100 years. It is just the nature of fiat currency as it is structurally a Ponzi scheme.
It failed in 1914,1939 and 1971. The dollar got so bad by 1979 that no one wanted our debt (T bills) after we went off the gold standard that the government had to back them up with Swiss Francs. Yes every time there was a tumultuous period. The problem is that the policies used to fix the problem in the past are not available due to changing the currency structure to paper over the problem. Like the depression. By 1939 rolled around and nothing had worked to pull us out of the depression their only recourse was to devalue the dollar against gold from $20.67 to $35.00 an oz. It mght help to set the gold price at around $7,000.00 but we are no longer on the gold standard and would be no guarantee. All nets have been used and damaged against the coming fall but we woul;d survive.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Just how does changing the value you put on what you think or any one thinks is the value of gold. The average person is still under the control of the person who has the gold.

So if I have no gold why would I ever want to play the money
game with some one that will still just pick my pocket?

Those that have the gold can & would change the price of good to suit them self. You would have to trust that they will be fair & see that there money flows freely & has a steady value. Behind it all you would have to trust those that have the gold.

So I keep saying it is all about trust. So if we can have trust with others we can use just our good word & trust to put value on any thing. That is as long as it is debt free & backed by the people in general. Just see that there is enough But not too much.

It would be no different than what we have now but we would not be more in debt because we needed more money to cover the money need to conduct our transactions.

We need a way to conduct our transactions with some thing that we don't (have in a sense to rent the money) needed to complete the transaction. Money we all pay for on all transactions.

I would need for some one to tell me why we need to pay some one just so we can have a supply of money that is backed by us. Just who are these people & just what do they do with this money they put in their pockets so to speak.

We need to see just what real value we are getting for what they provide.

If we are truly going to be free we need to get this thing off our backs.

I am old & my days are dwindling down. There is little but talk that I can do, but there are more & more young people cut off from not being a true part of the system who have little to loose & for the most part just to be a part of the system.

So here we are in the middle with people on both sides of us bent on destroying the world.

Wake up people & see that we need the system to find a way to draw more people in to the middle.

Just making a few richer is not going to make the world better for you & I. Greed is killing what could be a good life for most.

Patty

:thumbup: The US and Eu are the ones who control the price of gold globally. I found this article tremendously helpful in understanding the system Floyd.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-25/how-gold-price-manipulated-during-london-fix
I find it amusing that why the gov. (fed) continues to claim gold is not money Iran continues to prove them wrong.
In Feb 2012 the US banned Iran from the US dollar payment system. They converted it to Euros and took it through the Belium based SWIFT system. By March the US had caught on and threatened the SWIFT system to stop it.
India being a major buyer of oil from Iran switched to paying in gold. Turkey became their source ffor trading the gold into other currencies and the US was ineffective to control the gold transactions.
So what did Washington do. They threatened to sanction anyone with the same sanctions as Iran who traded in Gold with them. Another hallow threat but an admission that gold is money. That is what the Russia/Iran oil deal is going to be transacted in is gold/ goods and euros.
The whining and tantrums coming form Washington are being ignores as you would a child throwing a tantrum now.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

There is no doubt in my mind that in the short term gold backing will work for some. But in the long term we will still have all of the problems that come from the money changers.

It is becoming clearer to me that we need to get off of debt based backing of money & fractional banking.

If we were to have a world wide system based on those ideals I truly feel that life would be much better for every body but the few who take the most from the system.

The way money is handled is keeping the majority of the people from becoming a vital part of the system.

The change need not be harsh but those who benefit now & have the most power with put up a big fight no wanting to loose the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Patty

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Thank you. I had read the article it was based on before.

I would say the US takes a more active role in carrying out
what the money changers want.

It is the reason I feel the way I feel with the issues with Russia.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

Well so much for Obama's lies about Net Nutralaty. High Frequency Traders still rule the market with Internet access that we common folks will never be able to get our hands on! Our President is well aware of this, yet he still defends his lies to the American people, that his actions will equal out the playing field. Today's FCC report says nothing can be done in this area. There is just to much money involved. Well I know it is our money they are talking about. And the rich will continue to pick our pockets clean on a daily basis. Fuc you Mr President!

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

Any way you slice it, High Frequency Trading is against the law, because of it's use of inside information. When you know who is selling, before they sell, or what their buying before they buy, you have a distinct edge over the market, and the little guy like us. Even if it is only a split second margin of time.
We will never have the luxury of internet speed that these traders are using against us in the market. Therefore we will never be on an even playing field.
Obama knows this, yet he still caters to the rich & powerful. Along with all the self interest groups, leaving us to try and make a living from picking through the leftovers and scraps. NET NEUTRALITY Hmmmmm..