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Mar 4, 2015 04:54:02   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
alir1 wrote:
Unfortunately, the reason people are coming to America is because the USA is offering them some heavy incentives, and using our tax dollars, big houses, and colleges to bribe them here. And many a US family is having their wages cut in order to afford them these incentives. Just look at any job application lately. They immediately want to know what race and if you obtained a work visa, or military, or felony. Cheap labor, cheap labor, cheap labor and our government will help them get grants, housing and healthcare automatically, even though it is difficult for a US citizen that is disabled and living on $10, 000 has to pay Approx. $400 mo for healthcare in their own country where they have paid SS.
Unfortunately, the reason people are coming to Ame... (show quote)

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What have you been smoking. If you're retired on SS, it is not necessary to pay for insurance as you already have Medicare. If you fell for insurance company's BS and ridiculous premiums, you deserve them. You must not have worked very much as $10,000/yr. is almost the lowest amount on the scale. Even those who haven't worked much at all are receiving that much.

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Mar 4, 2015 06:22:54   #
grumpymarine Loc: Florida
 
And if you do not agree with Putin you get shot in the back

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Mar 4, 2015 07:43:52   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Alicia wrote:
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Globalization is unavoidable in today's world. It is no longer possible to be a totally individualistic and self-perpetrating nation. This country is and has been a major force primarily because of our size. We are quite blessed and, according to the Christian philosophy are required to help other nations.

As the world progresses, areas which did not even exist years ago have become necessities. Some of these necessities have been left by the wayside. Didn't you feel even greater pride in this country when it was doing research and involved in space investigation. Didn't you feel greater when we were the first to land on the moon? The wealthy would like us to forget the government's part in these great advances. Do you really wish to assign these tasks to private industry?

Well all these advances take money and must be backed by our government. Patriots should feel glad in being able to take part in the advancement of our nation. I don't see that all the complaints about taxes, and avoidance of them, should be a deterrent. If each individual - and this includes corporations - has pride in the U.S.A., he(they) should feel proud to be a part of keeping our nation at the top of the list. Off-shore banking to avoid taxes is shameful. Are patriots limited only to the poor and middle class?

It is obvious that this country needs a change in the philosophy of our "leaders(?)" Our country has been supplanted with a "me first" attitude.
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Yea. "Blame America first." ALWAYS!!! It really sucks to have to put up with the current demonrat philosophies of anti-American, anti-Semitic NWO dribble.

"WE" currently have more Republicans in government offices since WW I, and the longer demonrats continue to slander our great country and push for the UN to replace OUR Constitution, the more positions liberal progressives will lose.

Free-market, Western culture may not be a perfect solution to communism, but if YOU like the NWO and communism so much I suggest you first try Theocracy. You gotta' love Iran with all the hate for America you projectile vomit!!!

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Mar 4, 2015 09:35:30   #
rebob14
 
To willingly help and support those in need is moral and correct.
To be robbed by your gov't to perform "charity" you don't agree with or originate is amoral.

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Mar 4, 2015 09:39:30   #
Singularity
 
Alicia wrote:
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What have you been smoking. If you're retired on SS, it is not necessary to pay for insurance as you already have Medicare. If you fell for insurance company's BS and ridiculous premiums, you deserve them. You must not have worked very much as $10,000/yr. is almost the lowest amount on the scale. Even those who haven't worked much at all are receiving that much.


I was fully invested in Social Security when I became disabled. It is a little known fact that medicare is not free. It is paid for out of the benefits you are entitled to. The idea of being forced by law to pay for insurance (Medicare) is nothing new. Its been the law since before I became disabled in 1993!



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Mar 4, 2015 09:58:16   #
robert66
 
America Only wrote:
So far, everything you have presented not just in this post, but all of yours, shows you are neither Christian or American. You are however, a dyed in deep red, covered with sprinkles of PINK communist. Sorry to sink your boat, communism does not really work and as much as you seem to lack in knowledge, communism is NOT American....tah tah!


To hell with the stupid ass commie crap. Awwwk, awwwk, commmie, commie, commie. Even real parrots , the birds , have a larger vocabulary.

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Mar 4, 2015 10:02:01   #
robert66
 
robmull wrote:
Yea. "Blame America first." ALWAYS!!! It really sucks to have to put up with the current demonrat philosophies of anti-American, anti-Semitic NWO dribble.

"WE" currently have more Republicans in government offices since WW I, and the longer demonrats continue to slander our great country and push for the UN to replace OUR Constitution, the more positions liberal progressives will lose.

Free-market, Western culture may not be a perfect solution to communism, but if YOU like the NWO and communism so much I suggest you first try Theocracy. You gotta' love Iran with all the hate for America you projectile vomit!!!
Yea. "Blame America first." ALWAYS!!! ... (show quote)


Being in the tea party is a huge step toward theocracy. The tea party is worse than communism.

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Mar 4, 2015 10:03:33   #
robert66
 
Alicia wrote:
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What have you been smoking. If you're retired on SS, it is not necessary to pay for insurance as you already have Medicare. If you fell for insurance company's BS and ridiculous premiums, you deserve them. You must not have worked very much as $10,000/yr. is almost the lowest amount on the scale. Even those who haven't worked much at all are receiving that much.


You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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Mar 4, 2015 10:07:42   #
robert66
 
America Only wrote:
No you need to be a man instead of some whimp willie moron and admit what you really are politically. No one needs a new app. You need to lay off speaking about God or Christ or the USA because you have just slandered the entire Nation and all of what you could have had in the way of connection to Christ as it is.

In case your mind totally stopped working from all the booze you drink...ask yourself how and why millions of people desire to risk their life to come to the USA? They do it for personal FREEDOMS. Those freedoms are all gone with the proposal YOU just openly endorsed. I knew you could have some mental shortcomings but not as deep and low as what you are showing now.
No you need to be a man instead of some whimp will... (show quote)


They're gonna be sorry when they get here and see a bunch of tea party jerk offs with misspelled signs telling them to get out in the name of Jesus. If those immigrants knew about the assholes in this country they'd probably try the commies first.

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Mar 4, 2015 10:11:52   #
Singularity
 
Singularity wrote:
I was fully invested in Social Security when I became disabled. It is a little known fact that medicare is not free. It is paid for out of the benefits you are entitled to. The idea of being forced by law to pay for insurance (Medicare) is nothing new. Its been the law since before became disabled in 1993!


Additionally, if one has prepared for retirement, these preparations also provide for a pension or annuity payments, mutual funds, etc, when retiring for a disability.

If this additional income makes ones total income great enough, one will owe taxes on the Social Security benefits as part of the total.

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Mar 4, 2015 10:47:24   #
robert66
 
Singularity wrote:
Additionally, if one has prepared for retirement, these preparations also provide for a pension or annuity payments, mutual funds, etc, when retiring for a disability.

If this additional income makes ones total income great enough, one will owe taxes on the Social Security benefits as part of the total.


You may not be able to break through to these brainwashed knot heads who believe your disability or retirement benefits are entitlements , something free , that you never paid for. If Fox news says it , it's gospel. If you want to know what they think or how they will respond you find that they quote their masters ,nearly word for word. Their indoctrination is complete.

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Mar 4, 2015 11:27:22   #
alir1
 
Thank you rumatiod, that was well explained.

Its unfortunate that so many in US have been brainwashed into thinking that a) communism is a bad thing. However it gives us social values such as solidarity; and, b) that communism should be incorrectly linked to fascism since dictators such as Mousolini and Stalin enslaved these societies to practice behind.

However, all democracies practice a sense communism, and rightly so. We should stick together and voice as one with charity and distribution amongst each other, especially since it is the resources of the earth that we share, not designed for one, or just elitist, but presented equally to all inhabitants. Can someone imagine just the wealthy having the right to breathe the air or drink the water. Homo -sapiens, wolves, children and the kangaroo all have equal and inalienable rights, freedoms and with charitable emotion towards the other.

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Mar 4, 2015 11:42:04   #
alir1
 
You are correct that SS people are required to pay premiums for the medicare benefits to have health coverage that has been mandated upon them. And that most SS people also need to buy additional supplemental insurance like part "D" as the premiums you pay for A&B don't provide for prescription drugs.

Thank you for enlightening the many who have a misconception that SSD is welfare benefits. It is not, it is "Entitlement" benefits. Like house or car insurance, your entitled to receive the benefits because you paid the insurance premium in order to have them.

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Mar 4, 2015 11:50:29   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
alir1 wrote:
You are correct that SS people are required to pay premiums for the medicare benefits to have health coverage that has been mandated upon them. And that most SS people also need to buy additional supplemental insurance like part "D" as the premiums you pay for A&B don't provide for prescription drugs.

Thank you for enlightening the many who have a misconception that SSD is welfare benefits. It is not, it is "Entitlement" benefits. Like house or car insurance, your entitled to receive the benefits because you paid the insurance premium in order to have them.
You are correct that SS people are required to pay... (show quote)

First, Alir1, let me welcome you to the OPP.

I would ask on behalf of all...please hit 'quote reply' below the post to which you are responding. This allows our knowing to whom you are addressing your comments.

Thank you.

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Mar 4, 2015 11:53:37   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
Missouri wrote:
...shine the biggest light on the superiority of Democratic morality. Of doing unto others as we would wish to be done unto. Of respecting the challenges others less fortunate face. Of fighting injustices toward women, toward children, toward our armed forces, toward our workers, toward the elderly, toward minorities. Toward VOTERS! Always, ALWAYS talk the morality of our politics, of our humanity. It’s the biggest, best argument we can make, and it resonates - LOUDLY - beyond every boundary drawn on a map.
But here's something I find almost as frustrating as Republican deception: the unwillingness or inability of Democrats to smash Republican lies and myths with simple American history. One of Karl Rove's tenets is to attack your enemy's strength. And I think that is exactly what we should do. I think we should start calling Republicans' and conservatives' adoration of "market economics" what it actually is - the glorification of selfishness, the celebration of exactly some of the worst aspects of human nature. It is not Christian, nor is it American. And their hatred of a strong central government is neo-Confederate, plain and simple. Every statement a Rick Perry or a Newt Gingrich makes about secession and states rights should be flung in our foes' faces as treasonous and seditious. I'm tired of playing nice with Republicans and conservatives who openly say stuff like bi-partisanship is like date rape - with Democrats as the victim.
Well, about two weeks ago, I happened to be in a restaurant in Yanceyville, NC, about 25 miles from my home. It's the seat of the next county over, typically southern conservative Caswell County, which I am proud to say my wife was on a local phone bank here in heavily Democratic Orange County that helped swing Caswell into the Democratic column in 2008. I picked up the most recent copy of the local paper, the Caswell Messenger, and my eye settled on a letter to the editor from some local conservative named Mr. R., raving that Obama's proposal for free college tuition was evil government redistribution, theft, blah, blah - the usual wrong-wing crap.

Now, ever since it became clear to me around 2009 or so, that President Obama was unwilling to buck Wall Street and fight for policies that would dramatically shift the balance between capital and labor, I have been reading a lot of American history in an attempt to find the answers to two questions: What is a republic supposed to be? And, what policies of political economy should a republic follow? In other words, is there a republican political economy? As distinguished from a plutocracy, or oligarchy, or monarchy.

So, I determined to take the LTE by Mr. R. and write my own letter to the editor refuting him point by point, including some of what I've learned the past six years. A couple days after I faxed and emailed my letter, I received an email from the editor asking me to shorten it quite a bit. It was originally just under 1,400 words, and I was able to trim it to about 900. I received another email, apologizing that they were looking for letters of about 500 words. So, I got it down to about 600 words, and emailed it to the editor, noting that I did not feel I could cut it any further.

Today, I needed to return some books to the Orange County library. I decided I would check if they carried the Caswell Messenger to see if my LTE had been printed. I had thought to post one of the shorter versions here on DailyKos, but decided they simply were not strong enough. So, I was delighted to find that the editor had made an exception, and printed my original, uncut letter in its entirety. So, forthwith, I present it to my fellow Kossacks, below the orange squiggle of intergalactic righteousness and truth.

I was distressed to read Mr. R.’s letter “Free Education” in the February 4, 2015 issue of The Caswell Messenger. It is one thing to espouse a philosophy of political economy that protects selfishness and the rich; it is altogether another thing, and entirely unacceptable, to claim that such a philosophy is moral, and was condoned by the Founders.

Mr. R.’s assertions are based on the now widely accepted misconception that the money a person has is “theirs.” But did they print it? Did they make it? Did they put it into circulation? They may have earned their money, but it is really not theirs. “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” By classical Christian teaching, nothing a person has – not their money, not their property, not their talents – is theirs. All has been given them by the Lord, and their role as good stewards is to use that which they have been given to serve Him. And as Benjamin Franklin liked to say, “the most acceptable service to God is doing good to men.” Even Andrew Carnegie’s “Gospel of Wealth” recognized this concept.

Mr. R. attempts to frighten us with the dreaded heavy hand of government redistributing wealth. God only knows how many billions of dollars the selfish rich have given to “think tanks” like Heritage Foundation or Club for Growth to gin up the scary bogeyman of “redistribution.” But redistribution is exactly what governments have always done, through all of history. Recall the “bread and circuses” of ancient Rome. James Madison addressed this issue in his classic Federalist Paper No. 10, noting that political factions most often arise from economic interests. “The regulation of these various and interfering interests forms the principal task of modern legislation,” Madison wrote. Yes, REGULATION.

Redistribution of income dates from the very beginning of our republic, when the funding of the national government came almost entirely from import duties. In 1811, Thomas Jefferson wrote to Thaddeus Kosciusko, "The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied.... the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." This redistribution of wealth was entirely intentional: in a letter to James Madison dated October 28, 1785, Jefferson wrote, "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." It was understood at the time that large inequalities of wealth made the rich as dangerous to the republic as a standing army, because of the disproportionate political influence the rich could buy with “their” money.

Interestingly, the strongest opposition to the progressive taxation of using only import duties to support the federal government came from the slave-holders of the South. And just as interestingly, it was not until the slave-holders withdrew from the U.S. Congress with secession that our country was able to move forward economically with widespread development of the technologies developed before the Civil War. The telegraph had been invented and demonstrated in 1844 (with a direct appropriation of $40,000 to Samuel Morse), but it was not until Confederates were absent from Congress that legislation was passed that enabled a trans-continental telegraph system. And, a trans-continental railroad. And, land grants to create new public universities. And a Department of Agriculture to promote the use of science in agriculture (the 1920 discovery of photo-periodicity in plants by USDA scientists Harry A. Allard and W.W. Garner is just one of hundreds of examples; the introduction of winter wheats to the upper Plains by USDA agronomist Mark Carleton is another).

Just like the extreme property rights doctrines of the Confederacy corrupted many Christians a century and a half ago, today, the love of self and love of mammon have again corrupted many -- and have similarly retarded the scientific and economic progress of the republic. The constant denunciation of “redistribution” by today’s property rights extremists has made it politically impossible to raise taxes to levels needed to fulfill the Constitutional mandate to promote the general welfare. We cannot even afford to maintain our roads, bridges, waterways, and airports in good working order. Modern day Confederate economics have again crippled governments at all levels.

Finally, Mr. R. declares anyone desiring “free” education or “free” health care are “thieves.” But the real thieves are those selfish rich who fund anti-tax movements but who never would have amassed great wealth in another country, such as Somalia or Ethiopia, without the protections, promotions, incentives, and economic structure provided by a strong national government. The real thieves are the Wall Street traders and hedge fund managers who buy and sell stocks and bonds within split seconds, and then insist their “capital gains” be taxed at only 15 percent. What real wealth is being created by such “high frequency trading”? What benefit to the economy? The real thieves are the employers and managers who are unwilling to pay their employees the $20 to $30 an hour actually needed to raise a family, and save for the kids’ college education and retirement. How is such thievery different than Pharaoh forcing the Israelites to make bricks without straw (Exodus 5)?

As Benjamin Franklin wrote, in his 1783 essay “Reflections on the Augmentation of Wages, Which Will Be Occasioned in Europe by the American Revolution, “To desire to keep down the rate of wages… is to seek to render the citizens of a state miserable, in order that foreigners may purchase its productions at a cheaper rate; it is, at most, attempting to enrich a few merchants by impoverishing the body of the nation; it is taking the part of the stronger in that contest, already so unequal, between the man who can pay wages, and him who is under the necessity of receiving them; it is, in one word, to forget, that the object of every political society ought to be the happiness of the largest number.”

Mr. R. is free to believe whatever historically ignorant economic theories he wants, even if they justify selfishness and a disregard for our fellow men and women, but he should not be allowed to pass off such theories as either Christian, or American.
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If you should ask a person what denomination they are, some would say catholic, another baptist, and another methodist and so on. a small percentage
would be Christian. So it misleading to label all denominations as Christian.
Matthew 13:14 says that all people will not make it through those pearly gates, that why parables were used because He does not want just everybody up there with Him. Just an observation.

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