Tyranny and Americas moral decline
Bob Livingston
gay marriage
Whenever government establishes special rights or privileges for a perceived aggrieved class (also called a minority class), it does so at the expense of the rights of others. It inevitably leads to law, logic and reason being tied into undecipherable knots, contributes to the power and collectivism of government, and is anathema to human liberty.
Take, for instance, the recent case of Baronelle Stutzman, the 70-year-old Washington state florist who declined to provide flowers for the wedding of two men because, as a Christian, she held a fundamental belief that a wedding is to be a union of a man and woman, as God established in Genesis 2:24 and His son Jesus affirmed in Matthew 19:5 and Mark 10:8.
One of the aggrieved parties, Robert Ingersoll, had been a customer of Stutzmans for more than a decade, indicating she held no animus toward homosexuals. In fact, when she turned down Ingersolls request for a floral arrangement for the wedding, she referred him to other florists.
The two men received the flowers they wanted, and after the case became news they even received offers of free flowers from others. In other words, they suffered no harm. Their rights to purchase flowers or be married were not violated by Stutzman. The free market, as it is wont to do, stepped in and provided a solution.
But Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom decided that Ingersolls rights to be served by a business trumped Stutzmans rights to set the rules of her supposed voluntary transactions and abide by her faith. Somehow, the action of her engaging in commerce stripped her of her right to exercise her faith. She took no action that harmed anyone. She simply took no action.
Ekstrom ruled that the 1st Amendment protects Stutzmans religious faith, but not actions stemming from those beliefs that conflict with state anti-discrimination laws. But such a protection is no protection at all. It is also a violation of Washingtons Religious Freedom law. Its also a violation of Stutzmans natural rights by forcing her to engage in a transaction against her wishes.
According to the Section 11 of the states Constitution, Absolute freedom of conscience in all matters of religious sentiment, belief and worship, shall be guaranteed to every individual, and no one shall be molested or disturbed in person or property on account of religion
Yet Stutzman has been quite molested and disturbed in person or property.
The state and the gay couple are now free to sue Stutzman for up to $2,000 per violation and collect legal fees as well, a prospect that may well put her out of business and place her home and savings at risk, according to her attorneys.
In other words, the states anti-discrimination laws trump the states Constitution that provides Stutzman a guarantee of freedom of conscious in all matters of religious sentiment, belief and worship and it also somehow trumps the 1st Amendment, which became incorporated to the states by an activist judiciary beginning in the 1920s (an explanation of which can be found here).
Twenty-five hundred miles to the east southeast in Mobile, Alabama, federal Judge Callie V.S. Ginny Granade recently struck down an Alabama Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage as unconstitutional, opening the door for gays to wed despite the fact that 81 percent of Alabamians voted in favor of the amendment banning them in 2006.
Granade claimed a gay couple had a fundamental right to marry. From where such a fundamental right comes, Granade didnt say, as the Constitution does not mention the word a single time. In her order Granade did site the magic 14th Amendment which has been abused like no other by activist judges to create a whole manner of laws from whole cloth. And it is from whole cloth that Granade created this special right.
But notice the incongruity. In Washington, the states anti-discrimination law trumps the states Constitution and the defendants rights under the 1st Amendment. But in Alabama, the 14th Amendment, coupled with, according to supporters of the ruling, the so-called supremacy clause in the Constitution, trump Alabama state law.
When the 14th Amendment became accepted law it was never legally ratified, just accepted as such it simply provided that newly freed blacks held the same privileges and immunities of owning property, owning businesses, buying and leasing land, and moving about freely as whites. It did not create for blacks or anyone else any special status, privilege or rights. For the next several decades, the courts and the Supreme Court held that view.
That changed in 1925 when an activist judiciary began creating a whole new meaning for the amendment. What changed? Certainly not the words. It was a judiciary that began writing law rather than interpreting the law of the case before it. But the judiciary has no constitutional power to write law. Nothing in the Constitution grants the judiciary that right.
Governments have no natural rights. Any rights possessed by government are only those granted it by the citizens. When government begins assuming rights and privileges, it does not possess and begins assigning special rights and privileges to selected classes, governments become abusive and tyrannical. And when it begins assigning and granting special rights, it begins to assume that it can also remove and restrict the natural rights held by the people.
Since the 1920s, the 14th Amendment has been abused for such purposes as to grant anchor babies the rights of citizenship, create a right to murder babies in the womb, and grant freedom of speech rights to corporations via the Citizens United case
but not 1st Amendment rights to Stutzman, apparently. It has been used over and over to trump the will of citizens by throwing out the results of state referenda on a whole host of issues.
There are today all types of people and groups claiming special minority status and seeking and being granted special immunities and privileges under the specious 14th Amendment due process clause. Public policy is molded on these manipulated minority influences. This is all an invisible charade, an organism, with a totally different and opposite orientation to individual liberty. It is in reality New Age slavery, a benevolent totalitarianism, an illusion of freedom.
One can always identify minority special interests simply because they welcome government intervention and intrusion (socialism) as a net for perceived social inequality, poverty and underachievement. Guilt manipulation, along with all manner of charades, is used to force social and economic equality where none is earned.
Manipulating minorities who are naturally drawn to socialism is basic political strategy to justify government politics and plunder. The principle of government is that political power is maximized by forcibly leveling every individual to the same status of conformity, collectivism, ecumenicalism and serfdom.
The truth goes deeper. Because of perceived social, cultural, racial and psychic inferiority, minorities desire to parasite on government force and socialism to subvert those they envy and wish to imitate.
Collectivism is so well accepted that well-known conservatives and family values leaders now accept the idea that rights and liberties are handed down from government and not from God. The constant fight between the branches of collectivist politicians is over which group of them is going to increase the power of the state, not who is going to limit state power and how. In this fact alone we find the explanation for why freedom has disappeared in the world. Virtually everyone is a collectivist now.
Collectivism is but the political outcome of moral degeneracy. It seems that no modern politician can be elected today without the support or least not the opposition of the most degenerate but most powerful group of all, the homosexual lobby, even though it represents no more than 5 percent of the population.
Collectivists are all about democracy which is the rule of the majority except in the cases of the supposedly aggrieved classes. In support of supposed aggrieved classes or minorities, collectivists use brute power and intimidation to achieve their ends. This is demonstrated in the number of people who have lost their jobs or positions for merely expressing their opinions or their faith.
Under the various banners of power, collectivism recruits the masses into globalism. Such recruitment is the satanic opposite of human reproduction which is Gods way of creating families. Recruitment is the only way homosexuals can increase their numbers, thus the homosexual lobbys influence over government, public education, the mass media, legislatures and even the military.
Even those conservative national leaders who campaign on a family values platform inevitably fold to the pressure of the homosexuals, once they arrive in Washington, the District of Corruption. Note my frequent use of quotation marks to denote the deceptions of modern politics. Sorry, but the English language has been corrupted by those who have stolen these terms.
How has the American nation fallen so far that the masses and the politicians not only accept but endorse homosexuality? The answer is: tolerance. The politicians have taught Americans to tolerate everything except that which is godly.
Note that all major religions focus on tolerance. They tolerate everything but Christianity. As has been said, those who preach tolerance do not tolerate preaching.
The secret truth is that homosexuality is another recruitment tool for global collectivism. Globalism, with its underlying principle of collectivism, is not primarily an economic or political development. Globalism, collectivism, homosexuality, the mass murder of infants and euthanasia are all the result of moral decline on a mass scale.
The Devil is setting on the shoulder of our Tort System!
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Tyranny and Americas moral decline
Bob Livingston
gay marriage
Whenever government establishes special rights or privileges for a perceived aggrieved class (also called a minority class), it does so at the expense of the rights of others. It inevitably leads to law, logic and reason being tied into undecipherable knots, contributes to the power and collectivism of government, and is anathema to human liberty.
Take, for instance, the recent case of Baronelle Stutzman, the 70-year-old Washington state florist who declined to provide flowers for the wedding of two men because, as a Christian, she held a fundamental belief that a wedding is to be a union of a man and woman, as God established in Genesis 2:24 and His son Jesus affirmed in Matthew 19:5 and Mark 10:8.
One of the aggrieved parties, Robert Ingersoll, had been a customer of Stutzmans for more than a decade, indicating she held no animus toward homosexuals. In fact, when she turned down Ingersolls request for a floral arrangement for the wedding, she referred him to other florists.
The two men received the flowers they wanted, and after the case became news they even received offers of free flowers from others. In other words, they suffered no harm. Their rights to purchase flowers or be married were not violated by Stutzman. The free market, as it is wont to do, stepped in and provided a solution.
But Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom decided that Ingersolls rights to be served by a business trumped Stutzmans rights to set the rules of her supposed voluntary transactions and abide by her faith. Somehow, the action of her engaging in commerce stripped her of her right to exercise her faith. She took no action that harmed anyone. She simply took no action.
Ekstrom ruled that the 1st Amendment protects Stutzmans religious faith, but not actions stemming from those beliefs that conflict with state anti-discrimination laws. But such a protection is no protection at all. It is also a violation of Washingtons Religious Freedom law. Its also a violation of Stutzmans natural rights by forcing her to engage in a transaction against her wishes.
According to the Section 11 of the states Constitution, Absolute freedom of conscience in all matters of religious sentiment, belief and worship, shall be guaranteed to every individual, and no one shall be molested or disturbed in person or property on account of religion
Yet Stutzman has been quite molested and disturbed in person or property.
The state and the gay couple are now free to sue Stutzman for up to $2,000 per violation and collect legal fees as well, a prospect that may well put her out of business and place her home and savings at risk, according to her attorneys.
In other words, the states anti-discrimination laws trump the states Constitution that provides Stutzman a guarantee of freedom of conscious in all matters of religious sentiment, belief and worship and it also somehow trumps the 1st Amendment, which became incorporated to the states by an activist judiciary beginning in the 1920s (an explanation of which can be found here).
Twenty-five hundred miles to the east southeast in Mobile, Alabama, federal Judge Callie V.S. Ginny Granade recently struck down an Alabama Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage as unconstitutional, opening the door for gays to wed despite the fact that 81 percent of Alabamians voted in favor of the amendment banning them in 2006.
Granade claimed a gay couple had a fundamental right to marry. From where such a fundamental right comes, Granade didnt say, as the Constitution does not mention the word a single time. In her order Granade did site the magic 14th Amendment which has been abused like no other by activist judges to create a whole manner of laws from whole cloth. And it is from whole cloth that Granade created this special right.
But notice the incongruity. In Washington, the states anti-discrimination law trumps the states Constitution and the defendants rights under the 1st Amendment. But in Alabama, the 14th Amendment, coupled with, according to supporters of the ruling, the so-called supremacy clause in the Constitution, trump Alabama state law.
When the 14th Amendment became accepted law it was never legally ratified, just accepted as such it simply provided that newly freed blacks held the same privileges and immunities of owning property, owning businesses, buying and leasing land, and moving about freely as whites. It did not create for blacks or anyone else any special status, privilege or rights. For the next several decades, the courts and the Supreme Court held that view.
That changed in 1925 when an activist judiciary began creating a whole new meaning for the amendment. What changed? Certainly not the words. It was a judiciary that began writing law rather than interpreting the law of the case before it. But the judiciary has no constitutional power to write law. Nothing in the Constitution grants the judiciary that right.
Governments have no natural rights. Any rights possessed by government are only those granted it by the citizens. When government begins assuming rights and privileges, it does not possess and begins assigning special rights and privileges to selected classes, governments become abusive and tyrannical. And when it begins assigning and granting special rights, it begins to assume that it can also remove and restrict the natural rights held by the people.
Since the 1920s, the 14th Amendment has been abused for such purposes as to grant anchor babies the rights of citizenship, create a right to murder babies in the womb, and grant freedom of speech rights to corporations via the Citizens United case
but not 1st Amendment rights to Stutzman, apparently. It has been used over and over to trump the will of citizens by throwing out the results of state referenda on a whole host of issues.
There are today all types of people and groups claiming special minority status and seeking and being granted special immunities and privileges under the specious 14th Amendment due process clause. Public policy is molded on these manipulated minority influences. This is all an invisible charade, an organism, with a totally different and opposite orientation to individual liberty. It is in reality New Age slavery, a benevolent totalitarianism, an illusion of freedom.
One can always identify minority special interests simply because they welcome government intervention and intrusion (socialism) as a net for perceived social inequality, poverty and underachievement. Guilt manipulation, along with all manner of charades, is used to force social and economic equality where none is earned.
Manipulating minorities who are naturally drawn to socialism is basic political strategy to justify government politics and plunder. The principle of government is that political power is maximized by forcibly leveling every individual to the same status of conformity, collectivism, ecumenicalism and serfdom.
The truth goes deeper. Because of perceived social, cultural, racial and psychic inferiority, minorities desire to parasite on government force and socialism to subvert those they envy and wish to imitate.
Collectivism is so well accepted that well-known conservatives and family values leaders now accept the idea that rights and liberties are handed down from government and not from God. The constant fight between the branches of collectivist politicians is over which group of them is going to increase the power of the state, not who is going to limit state power and how. In this fact alone we find the explanation for why freedom has disappeared in the world. Virtually everyone is a collectivist now.
Collectivism is but the political outcome of moral degeneracy. It seems that no modern politician can be elected today without the support or least not the opposition of the most degenerate but most powerful group of all, the homosexual lobby, even though it represents no more than 5 percent of the population.
Collectivists are all about democracy which is the rule of the majority except in the cases of the supposedly aggrieved classes. In support of supposed aggrieved classes or minorities, collectivists use brute power and intimidation to achieve their ends. This is demonstrated in the number of people who have lost their jobs or positions for merely expressing their opinions or their faith.
Under the various banners of power, collectivism recruits the masses into globalism. Such recruitment is the satanic opposite of human reproduction which is Gods way of creating families. Recruitment is the only way homosexuals can increase their numbers, thus the homosexual lobbys influence over government, public education, the mass media, legislatures and even the military.
Even those conservative national leaders who campaign on a family values platform inevitably fold to the pressure of the homosexuals, once they arrive in Washington, the District of Corruption. Note my frequent use of quotation marks to denote the deceptions of modern politics. Sorry, but the English language has been corrupted by those who have stolen these terms.
How has the American nation fallen so far that the masses and the politicians not only accept but endorse homosexuality? The answer is: tolerance. The politicians have taught Americans to tolerate everything except that which is godly.
Note that all major religions focus on tolerance. They tolerate everything but Christianity. As has been said, those who preach tolerance do not tolerate preaching.
The secret truth is that homosexuality is another recruitment tool for global collectivism. Globalism, with its underlying principle of collectivism, is not primarily an economic or political development. Globalism, collectivism, homosexuality, the mass murder of infants and euthanasia are all the result of moral decline on a mass scale.
The Devil is setting on the shoulder of our Tort System!
Tyranny and Americas moral decline br Bob Living... (
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Gay "marriage," is a poke in-the-eye to all Judeo-Christian moralistic marital relationships. Purposely. Satan likes to annoy moralistic, law abiding, good and/or heterosexual human beings, and although the current primary reason to have a legal "bond" for "LGBT" folks, financial and earthly equality, "marriage" is a "Sacred" bond, first, and to purposely disrespect God is another matter altogether.
Gays who are religious, God-fearing citizens, should be quite appeased by all of the benefits of a legal, religious "marriage," but would, or should, never insist on the forbidden fruit of our God to actually bless the union in a conventional church.
Hell, Islam just crucifies, buries-alive, burns-alive, stones and throws gays off tall buildings to their death; and if a gay survives the fall is then stoned to death. Keep voting Democrat and you will see [feel] what I mean!!!
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Tyranny and Americas moral decline
Bob Livingston
gay marriage
Whenever government establishes special rights or privileges for a perceived aggrieved class (also called a minority class), it does so at the expense of the rights of others. It inevitably leads to law, logic and reason being tied into undecipherable knots, contributes to the power and collectivism of government, and is anathema to human liberty.
Take, for instance, the recent case of Baronelle Stutzman, the 70-year-old Washington state florist who declined to provide flowers for the wedding of two men because, as a Christian, she held a fundamental belief that a wedding is to be a union of a man and woman, as God established in Genesis 2:24 and His son Jesus affirmed in Matthew 19:5 and Mark 10:8.
One of the aggrieved parties, Robert Ingersoll, had been a customer of Stutzmans for more than a decade, indicating she held no animus toward homosexuals. In fact, when she turned down Ingersolls request for a floral arrangement for the wedding, she referred him to other florists.
The two men received the flowers they wanted, and after the case became news they even received offers of free flowers from others. In other words, they suffered no harm. Their rights to purchase flowers or be married were not violated by Stutzman. The free market, as it is wont to do, stepped in and provided a solution.
But Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom decided that Ingersolls rights to be served by a business trumped Stutzmans rights to set the rules of her supposed voluntary transactions and abide by her faith. Somehow, the action of her engaging in commerce stripped her of her right to exercise her faith. She took no action that harmed anyone. She simply took no action.
Ekstrom ruled that the 1st Amendment protects Stutzmans religious faith, but not actions stemming from those beliefs that conflict with state anti-discrimination laws. But such a protection is no protection at all. It is also a violation of Washingtons Religious Freedom law. Its also a violation of Stutzmans natural rights by forcing her to engage in a transaction against her wishes.
According to the Section 11 of the states Constitution, Absolute freedom of conscience in all matters of religious sentiment, belief and worship, shall be guaranteed to every individual, and no one shall be molested or disturbed in person or property on account of religion
Yet Stutzman has been quite molested and disturbed in person or property.
The state and the gay couple are now free to sue Stutzman for up to $2,000 per violation and collect legal fees as well, a prospect that may well put her out of business and place her home and savings at risk, according to her attorneys.
In other words, the states anti-discrimination laws trump the states Constitution that provides Stutzman a guarantee of freedom of conscious in all matters of religious sentiment, belief and worship and it also somehow trumps the 1st Amendment, which became incorporated to the states by an activist judiciary beginning in the 1920s (an explanation of which can be found here).
Twenty-five hundred miles to the east southeast in Mobile, Alabama, federal Judge Callie V.S. Ginny Granade recently struck down an Alabama Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage as unconstitutional, opening the door for gays to wed despite the fact that 81 percent of Alabamians voted in favor of the amendment banning them in 2006.
Granade claimed a gay couple had a fundamental right to marry. From where such a fundamental right comes, Granade didnt say, as the Constitution does not mention the word a single time. In her order Granade did site the magic 14th Amendment which has been abused like no other by activist judges to create a whole manner of laws from whole cloth. And it is from whole cloth that Granade created this special right.
But notice the incongruity. In Washington, the states anti-discrimination law trumps the states Constitution and the defendants rights under the 1st Amendment. But in Alabama, the 14th Amendment, coupled with, according to supporters of the ruling, the so-called supremacy clause in the Constitution, trump Alabama state law.
When the 14th Amendment became accepted law it was never legally ratified, just accepted as such it simply provided that newly freed blacks held the same privileges and immunities of owning property, owning businesses, buying and leasing land, and moving about freely as whites. It did not create for blacks or anyone else any special status, privilege or rights. For the next several decades, the courts and the Supreme Court held that view.
That changed in 1925 when an activist judiciary began creating a whole new meaning for the amendment. What changed? Certainly not the words. It was a judiciary that began writing law rather than interpreting the law of the case before it. But the judiciary has no constitutional power to write law. Nothing in the Constitution grants the judiciary that right.
Governments have no natural rights. Any rights possessed by government are only those granted it by the citizens. When government begins assuming rights and privileges, it does not possess and begins assigning special rights and privileges to selected classes, governments become abusive and tyrannical. And when it begins assigning and granting special rights, it begins to assume that it can also remove and restrict the natural rights held by the people.
Since the 1920s, the 14th Amendment has been abused for such purposes as to grant anchor babies the rights of citizenship, create a right to murder babies in the womb, and grant freedom of speech rights to corporations via the Citizens United case
but not 1st Amendment rights to Stutzman, apparently. It has been used over and over to trump the will of citizens by throwing out the results of state referenda on a whole host of issues.
There are today all types of people and groups claiming special minority status and seeking and being granted special immunities and privileges under the specious 14th Amendment due process clause. Public policy is molded on these manipulated minority influences. This is all an invisible charade, an organism, with a totally different and opposite orientation to individual liberty. It is in reality New Age slavery, a benevolent totalitarianism, an illusion of freedom.
One can always identify minority special interests simply because they welcome government intervention and intrusion (socialism) as a net for perceived social inequality, poverty and underachievement. Guilt manipulation, along with all manner of charades, is used to force social and economic equality where none is earned.
Manipulating minorities who are naturally drawn to socialism is basic political strategy to justify government politics and plunder. The principle of government is that political power is maximized by forcibly leveling every individual to the same status of conformity, collectivism, ecumenicalism and serfdom.
The truth goes deeper. Because of perceived social, cultural, racial and psychic inferiority, minorities desire to parasite on government force and socialism to subvert those they envy and wish to imitate.
Collectivism is so well accepted that well-known conservatives and family values leaders now accept the idea that rights and liberties are handed down from government and not from God. The constant fight between the branches of collectivist politicians is over which group of them is going to increase the power of the state, not who is going to limit state power and how. In this fact alone we find the explanation for why freedom has disappeared in the world. Virtually everyone is a collectivist now.
Collectivism is but the political outcome of moral degeneracy. It seems that no modern politician can be elected today without the support or least not the opposition of the most degenerate but most powerful group of all, the homosexual lobby, even though it represents no more than 5 percent of the population.
Collectivists are all about democracy which is the rule of the majority except in the cases of the supposedly aggrieved classes. In support of supposed aggrieved classes or minorities, collectivists use brute power and intimidation to achieve their ends. This is demonstrated in the number of people who have lost their jobs or positions for merely expressing their opinions or their faith.
Under the various banners of power, collectivism recruits the masses into globalism. Such recruitment is the satanic opposite of human reproduction which is Gods way of creating families. Recruitment is the only way homosexuals can increase their numbers, thus the homosexual lobbys influence over government, public education, the mass media, legislatures and even the military.
Even those conservative national leaders who campaign on a family values platform inevitably fold to the pressure of the homosexuals, once they arrive in Washington, the District of Corruption. Note my frequent use of quotation marks to denote the deceptions of modern politics. Sorry, but the English language has been corrupted by those who have stolen these terms.
How has the American nation fallen so far that the masses and the politicians not only accept but endorse homosexuality? The answer is: tolerance. The politicians have taught Americans to tolerate everything except that which is godly.
Note that all major religions focus on tolerance. They tolerate everything but Christianity. As has been said, those who preach tolerance do not tolerate preaching.
The secret truth is that homosexuality is another recruitment tool for global collectivism. Globalism, with its underlying principle of collectivism, is not primarily an economic or political development. Globalism, collectivism, homosexuality, the mass murder of infants and euthanasia are all the result of moral decline on a mass scale.
The Devil is setting on the shoulder of our Tort System!
Tyranny and Americas moral decline br Bob Living... (
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A great article! Great post! Thank you. What Mr. Livingston plainly says simply cannot be argued with logically. He is right in every respect in this article. I believe that everyone who accepts immoral behavior without disgust is as guilty as the one acting out that immoral behavior. Human beings have free will and should be far above the actions we see daily on TV and on our streets. Unfortunately, some people's free will is allowed to take them down below animal behavior.
Excellent, excellent read! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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A great article! Great post! Thank you. What Mr. Livingston plainly says simply cannot be argued with logically. He is right in every respect in this article. I believe that everyone who accepts immoral behavior without disgust is as guilty as the one acting out that immoral behavior. Human beings have free will and should be far above the actions we see daily on TV and on our streets. Unfortunately, some people's free will is allowed to take them down below animal behavior.
Excellent, excellent read! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Amen I couldn't agree more. You have nailed it and so has the article. If this immoral behavior is allowed to continue we are all going to be affected. And all this for what 2.5% to 3% of the total population in the country. I thought we were a majority ruled country or are we going to change this for elections as well where the one with the less votes now wins.
bahmer wrote:
Amen I couldn't agree more. You have nailed it and so has the article. If this immoral behavior is allowed to continue we are all going to be affected. And all this for what 2.5% to 3% of the total population in the country. I thought we were a majority ruled country or are we going to change this for elections as well where the one with the less votes now wins.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: The one with the less votes now wins? I LOVE it. Under those conditions, I'd have a winner almost every time!!!! And Gary Johnson would be sitting in the WH! Hooray!!!! I'm all for it!!!
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Tyranny and Americas moral decline
Bob Livingston
gay marriage
Whenever government establishes special rights or privileges for a perceived aggrieved class (also called a minority class), it does so at the expense of the rights of others. It inevitably leads to law, logic and reason being tied into undecipherable knots, contributes to the power and collectivism of government, and is anathema to human liberty.
You know: there is nothing more convoluted than the ramblings of a recovering meth addict and a Christian, especially one that shares Christ's love with sidearms.
Anyhow, my best friend is a lawyer, and he pointed out to me that as for gay marriage, if a woman wants to adopt another woman it is lawful, but it is unlawful to do the same if it's called marriage. Seems a little off base don't you?
Of course Alabama authorizes divorce and marrying your first cousin....but....what?????
"What difference does make?!"
-Hillary Clinton
Dummy Boy wrote:
You know: there is nothing more convoluted than the ramblings of a recovering meth addict and a Christian, especially one that shares Christ's love with sidearms.
Anyhow, my best friend is a lawyer, and he pointed out to me that as for gay marriage, if a woman wants to adopt another woman it is lawful, but it is unlawful to do the same if it's called marriage. Seems a little off base don't you?
Of course Alabama authorizes divorce and marrying your first cousin....but....what?????
"What difference does make?!"
-Hillary Clinton
You know: there is nothing more convoluted than t... (
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dummy: When you deal with moral vacuum people like H. Clinton.....It really doesn't make any difference! She has many friends...If that is what you want to call them!
Tasine wrote:
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A great article! Great post! Thank you. What Mr. Livingston plainly says simply cannot be argued with logically. He is right in every respect in this article. I believe that everyone who accepts immoral behavior without disgust is as guilty as the one acting out that immoral behavior. Human beings have free will and should be far above the actions we see daily on TV and on our streets. Unfortunately, some people's free will is allowed to take them down below animal behavior.
Excellent, excellent read! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Yes, it is a great article and your response is excellent. I agree whole heartedly.
ldsuttonjr wrote:
dummy: When you deal with moral vacuum people like H. Clinton.....It really doesn't make any difference! She has many friends...If that is what you want to call them!
Not 'friends'...sycophants.
bahmer wrote:
Amen I couldn't agree more. You have nailed it and so has the article. If this immoral behavior is allowed to continue we are all going to be affected. And all this for what 2.5% to 3% of the total population in the country. I thought we were a majority ruled country or are we going to change this for elections as well where the one with the less votes now wins.
The new CDC sets the number at 1.6%.
In all the smoke and fog emitted by Trump and his adversaries, it must be hard to make out the actual issues dogging this society, and even when you can, to find a coherent position on them. This was nicely illustrated in Paul Krugman’s fatuous column in Monday’s New York Times, “On Economic Arrogance” — the title describes Krugman’s own attitude to a T.
In it, Krugman attempts to account for the no-growth economy by marshaling the stock-in-trade stats of academic economics: productivity, demographics, and labor metrics. Krugman actually knows zip about what afflicts us in the present disposition of things, namely the falling energy-return-on-energy-investment in the oil industry, which is approaching the point where the immense activity of getting oil out of the ground won’t be worth the cost and trouble of doing it. And since most of the things we do and produce in this economy are based on cheap oil — with no reality-based prospect of replacing it with so-called “renewables” or as yet undiscovered energy rescue remedies — we can’t generate enough wealth to maintain anything close to our assumed standard of living. We can’t even generate enough wealth to pay the interest on the debt we’ve racked up in order to hide our growing energy predicament. And that, in a nutshell, is what will blow up the financial system. And when that department of the economy goes, the rest will follow.
So, the real issue hidden in plain sight is how America — indeed all the so-called “developed” nations — are going to navigate to a stepped-down mode of living, without slip-sliding all the way into a dark age, or something worse. None of these celebrated Grand Viziers knows what the fuck he’s talking about, and a nation depending on their guidance will find itself lost in a hall of mirrors with the lights off.
So, on one side you have Trump and his trumpets and trumpistas heralding the return of “greatness” (i.e. a booming industrial economy of happy men with lunchboxes) which is not going to happen; and on the other side you have a clique of clueless technocrats who actually believe they can “solve” the productivity problem with measures that really only boil down to different kinds of accounting fraud.
You also have an American public, and a mass media, who do not question the premise of a massive “infrastructure” spending project to re-boot the foundering economy. If you ask what they mean by that, you will learn that they uniformly see rebuilding our highways, bridges, tunnels, and airports. Some rightly suspect that the money for that is not there — or can only be summoned with more accounting fraud (borrowing from our future). But on the whole, most adults of all political stripes in this country think we can and should do this, that it would be a good thing.
And what is this infrastructure re-boot in the service of? A living arrangement with no future. A matrix of extreme car dependency that has zero chance of continuing another decade. More WalMarts, Target stores, Taco Bells, muffler shops, McHousing subdivisions, and other accoutrement of our fast-zombifying mode of existence? Isn’t it obvious, even if you never heard of, or don’t understand, the oil quandary, that we have shot our wad with all this? That we have to start down a different path if we intend to remain human?
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In all the smoke and fog emitted by Trump and his adversaries, it must be hard to make out the actual issues dogging this society, and even when you can, to find a coherent position on them. This was nicely illustrated in Paul Krugman’s fatuous column in Monday’s New York Times, “On Economic Arrogance” — the title describes Krugman’s own attitude to a T.
In it, Krugman attempts to account for the no-growth economy by marshaling the stock-in-trade stats of academic economics: productivity, demographics, and labor metrics. Krugman actually knows zip about what afflicts us in the present disposition of things, namely the falling energy-return-on-energy-investment in the oil industry, which is approaching the point where the immense activity of getting oil out of the ground won’t be worth the cost and trouble of doing it. And since most of the things we do and produce in this economy are based on cheap oil — with no reality-based prospect of replacing it with so-called “renewables” or as yet undiscovered energy rescue remedies — we can’t generate enough wealth to maintain anything close to our assumed standard of living. We can’t even generate enough wealth to pay the interest on the debt we’ve racked up in order to hide our growing energy predicament. And that, in a nutshell, is what will blow up the financial system. And when that department of the economy goes, the rest will follow.
So, the real issue hidden in plain sight is how America — indeed all the so-called “developed” nations — are going to navigate to a stepped-down mode of living, without slip-sliding all the way into a dark age, or something worse. None of these celebrated Grand Viziers knows what the fuck he’s talking about, and a nation depending on their guidance will find itself lost in a hall of mirrors with the lights off.
So, on one side you have Trump and his trumpets and trumpistas heralding the return of “greatness” (i.e. a booming industrial economy of happy men with lunchboxes) which is not going to happen; and on the other side you have a clique of clueless technocrats who actually believe they can “solve” the productivity problem with measures that really only boil down to different kinds of accounting fraud.
You also have an American public, and a mass media, who do not question the premise of a massive “infrastructure” spending project to re-boot the foundering economy. If you ask what they mean by that, you will learn that they uniformly see rebuilding our highways, bridges, tunnels, and airports. Some rightly suspect that the money for that is not there — or can only be summoned with more accounting fraud (borrowing from our future). But on the whole, most adults of all political stripes in this country think we can and should do this, that it would be a good thing.
And what is this infrastructure re-boot in the service of? A living arrangement with no future. A matrix of extreme car dependency that has zero chance of continuing another decade. More WalMarts, Target stores, Taco Bells, muffler shops, McHousing subdivisions, and other accoutrement of our fast-zombifying mode of existence? Isn’t it obvious, even if you never heard of, or don’t understand, the oil quandary, that we have shot our wad with all this? That we have to start down a different path if we intend to remain human?
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Well said, unfortunately the brain dead that read this, consider it nonsense, mainly because they can't see it.
It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
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A great article! Great post! Thank you. What Mr. Livingston plainly says simply cannot be argued with logically. He is right in every respect in this article. I believe that everyone who accepts immoral behavior without disgust is as guilty as the one acting out that immoral behavior. Human beings have free will and should be far above the actions we see daily on TV and on our streets. Unfortunately, some people's free will is allowed to take them down below animal behavior.
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You have hit the nail on the head but, unfortunately the LGBTQ activists really do not care what the laws are. Nor do they care how destructive the push for full acceptance of deviant behavior is. Nature's God does not matter to this group because they have no intention of understanding the laws of nature and biology.The "progressive concept" has as it goal the distortion of nature and they are perfectly happy to pretend that all forms of sexuality are glorious and good no matter how badly they cause the destruction of society.
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