Is the Obamacare tax penalty unconstitutional because it is a tax: Obamacare is unconstitutional. When it was challenged in court, the only part that was challenged was the forced...

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Obamacare is unconstitutional. When it was challenged in court, the only part that was challenged was the forced requirement to buy insurance or pay a fee. The Supreme Court ruled that if the fee was penalty it was unconstitutional. And if it was a tax, it was constitutional because the constitution allows the government to levy taxes. Of course Obama reversed what he said earlier. He had said it was a penalty, but now he says it is a tax.

The constitution says plainly that revenue measures must originate in the House of Representatives, but Obamacare originated in the Senate. That, in my opinion, makes Obamacare unconstitutional. But no matter how blatantly unconstitutional something is, until the matter is challenged in court and ruled unconstitutional, it doesnt matter. I believe that if Obamacare were to be properly challenged in federal court, it would have to be declared unconstitutional. Problem is that no one is challenging it. I cant, who among those in government with the ability to challenge have the cojones to do so?

skott Loc: Bama

hprinze wrote:

Obamacare is unconstitutional. When it was challen... (show quote)

The SCOTUS have already ruled that it is a tax and legal.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

skott wrote:

The SCOTUS have already ruled that it is a tax and legal.

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You didn't even understand what I wrote.

Yadja Loc: Florida

hprinze wrote:

Obamacare is unconstitutional. When it was challen... (show quote)

Do you remember Justice Roberts saying they could not deem something unconstitutional that had not been put into play yet. The tax is going out this year my guess it will end-up back in the Supreme Court.

The entire law is contained in 2 huge volumes and there is much more in there that will be coming forth in the years to come that people will hate. It has a law forbidding wood burning stoves and that is already coming into play in some states via the EPA.

That is another thing. The EPA is writing Legislative law, implementing it and punishing those who don't follow it. Unconstitutional again.

We are in a mellofahess.

Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN

hprinze wrote:

Obamacare is unconstitutional. When it was challen... (show quote)

This point has been driving me crazy ever since Obamacare as upheld. I suspect Boehner and his supporters just too afraid to antagonize Obama and the greedy moochers and parasites who sell votes for government goodies.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Yadja wrote:

Do you remember Justice Roberts saying they could ... (show quote)

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You are correct and have only scratched the surface. As you said there is much more to come.

The Obamabots are able to get away with their corruption because the powers that be will not do anything to stop them.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Pulfnick wrote:

This point has been driving me crazy ever since Obamacare as upheld. I suspect Boehner and his supporters just too afraid to antagonize Obama and the greedy moochers and parasites who sell votes for government goodies.

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You are absolutely correct but it seems that most people just can't understand that.

Antisocialist Loc: Florida

If I remember correctly, the SCOTUS ruling said the federal government has the right to tax under the (I believe) Commerce clause, which I agree they do if there is commerce.

What I don't understand is, if I choose not to purchase something, there is no commerce, so how do they have the right to tax me?

Yadja Loc: Florida

Antisocialist wrote:

If I remember correctly, the SCOTUS ruling said the federal government has the right to tax under the (I believe) Commerce clause, which I agree they do if there is commerce.

What I don't understand is, if I choose not to purchase something, there is no commerce, so how do they have the right to tax me?

Got ya and that is basically what the Justice's were getting at not to mention the government has never forced people to buy a product so that came into question to.

We will just have to wait and see what happens. If people don't buy into the exchanges and pay the taxes this thing will fold because it is all based on others paying for others. Like a Ponzi Scheme.

The goal is National Healthcare eventually with everyone paying into it and there is no opting out.

Antisocialist Loc: Florida

Yadja wrote:

The goal is National Healthcare eventually with everyone paying into it and there is no opting out.

I bought property in Brazil 2 years ago with the intent of building a vacation home there once I retire. I am rethinking that and may move there permanently. There's no BS socialist programs in Brazil. Their programs are like what we used to have in the US; you no work, you no eat.

Yadja Loc: Florida

Antisocialist wrote:

I bought property in Brazil 2 years ago with the intent of building a vacation home there once I retire. I am rethinking that and may move there permanently. There's no BS socialist programs in Brazil. Their programs are like what we used to have in the US; you no work, you no eat.

We have been considering moving out of the country if this government does not come back around. We are living in Florida in a small community and own property along with another property with a home on it. We are surrounded by National Forests, Springs, Rivers, Oceans just an hour away. We love it here have a boat that could get us to the islands. Been thinking about the islands also.

Stalin's signature legislation was National Healthcare and Solzhenitsyn wrote about it in a book called Cancer Ward. If you want to know what this O care is going to be like read that book.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Yadja wrote:

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I thought about leaving the U.S. and actually did in 1980. I went to a Central American nation and soon learned arn that they also had a government that was a bit smaller, but no better than the U.S. government.

Antisocialist Loc: Florida

Yadja, hprinze, one of the problems with moving out of the US is the reality that once the collapse occurs, there really will be no place that fully escapes the worldwide economic meltdown. I think Obama is clearly pushing our economy towards collapse. Our debt level is unsustainable now and he will push us over the edge.

Brazil has a much better debt to GDP ratio than the US, and countries with low ratios will recover more quickly that the US. There are actually very few countries in worse financial condition so the US will be one of the last to recover. If you are considering moving to another country, debt to GDP should be a primary consideration.

hprinze, I spent a little over a year in Nicaragua. There are some decent places for Americans near San Juan del Sur, but I prefer Brazil. Belize may be worth consideration though.

jelun

hprinze wrote:

Obamacare is unconstitutional. When it was challen... (show quote)

I think that you have that wrong. President Obama just accepted what the SCOTUS said.
The Supreme Court ruled that the "penalty" is a tax and therefore legal.
And yes, you could if it hadn't already been settled; that is unless you are another of those whinyazz seniors on Medicare who is not affected, has no business addressing it and has no standing on the issue.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

jelun wrote:

I think that you have that wrong. President Obama just accepted what the SCOTUS said.
The Supreme Court ruled that the "penalty" is a tax and therefore legal.
And yes, you could if it hadn't already been settled; that is unless you are another of those whinyazz seniors on Medicare who is not affected, has no business addressing it and has no standing on the issue.

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So says the Obama worshipper who will deny anything that does not glorify his/her/its despicable idol