KHH1 wrote:
**Too bad the right did not attack the reason AA was needed before THEY just decided one day that equailty has been attained....and the whole concept of people telling blacks how they should view themselves and their accomplishments in a lesser light because this racist azz country needed corrective measures is laughable if not downright insulting....since white s created the "white is right" and "black is whack" social order, they really f-ing believe that we should view ourselves and our social reality including the state of civil rights...the way they tell us to view it...even the inbreds in here try to tell me about the jobs I received as an AA candidate and the schools I have attended...it is some dishonest bullshit to act like blacks who benefitted were un/lesser qualified or actually given something they did not have to work for...even though white women are the biggest beneficiaries of AA...and that is not what it was originally intended for......you all can go f-k yourselves with that trying to attach a stigma bullshit...convince your lackies on the right about how they should view themselves...like clarence thomas...who is psychologically damaged by how light-skinned blacks treated darker ones in GA, a white man's creation(paper bag test and all), hence his punitive politics towards people of color.........I know other blacks who tell that same story...younger ones.....yep, racist whites fucked allot of us up so we could be just like THEM....but until you all address the residue effects of jim crow and slavery in a quantitative way that addresses the status quo more vigorously based on social research, f-k you and that, "You darkies have been given enough" mantra...
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Look KHH1, you're way too intelligent for most of these mentally challenged individuals, on this forum. Personally you've touched on an issue that has been on my mind for a long time. Slavery existed in America for roughly 246 years before the end of the Civil War. And then for almost 100 years after that, in most places, blacks were treated as second class citizens, primarily in the South, but don't kid yourself the same treatment happened in the North, and in every other nook and cranny of this country, as well. Blacks were not allowed to go to school, they certainly weren't allowed to vote. I heard of one example where Blacks had to recite the Constitution, in order to vote, while Whites had no such requirement. But I digress, the point is that even after the Civil War things didn't improve for Blacks. So with another 100 years of discrimination, and don't even think discrimination ended with the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Blacks were still systematically excluded from White society. Thus creating a need for AA. But the "racists" want you to think that (1) racism has ended, here in America. Which we all know is BS. and (2) that after the passage of the Civil Rights Act that blacks not only gained
instant equality, with Whites, but that they were given "
equal" opportunity, for any position in White society, as well. Take the example in "no propaganda please's" post. The example is flawed from the get go, the example is of an Asian student and a Black student, applying for admittance to the same school. In this example, everything is identical and yet because of AA, according to the narrator, the selection process is unfair to the Asian student. How can it be unfair? If everything is equal, in the example, and AA was not in place, then I would imagine the selection would come down to personalities or what the interviewer personally thought of the two candidates. And herein lies the rub, because while it is impossible to know how others think, it's a pretty good guess that with hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination that the interviewer, if he or she were White, would choose the Asian, if not for AA. That does not ultimately make the selection wrong, because after all, both candidates are equal in their abilities. But we know that consciously or unconsciously many Whites,(
and I'm being kind here), in this society, are predisposed to discriminate against Blacks. And to simply ignore that fact is ludicrous. Just as ludicrous as it is to think that once the Civil War was over, Blacks had attained
instant equal rights and an
instant equal societal footing, with Whites, here in America. We know this to be a lie because it took almost 100 years more to pass a Civil Rights Act.
Racism is an ugly devious societal disease. I, like most Whites, thought we had made great strides in eliminating racism and discrimination, but it is apparent that we are no where close. The events in Furgeson, Cleveland, New York and all around the country are stark examples that we are a long way from eliminating racism. I don't know the virtues of AA, but I do know that without it Whites, left to their own devices, would ultimately exclude Blacks from mainstream society. Just as White males would do the same to females. I would venture to say that without AA there would be no Black CEOs nor Female CEOs, in mainstream society, in this country. Oh, there may be the occasional "exception to the rule", or the "exception that proves the rule" example, but that would be nothing more than "
Tokenism". But we all know the "The Good Old White Boys" club would still be in effect.
No law will alter or change one's thinking, nor eliminate racism, but it will provide for a higher standard of "Equal Opportunity". Let me give you one example, in the '70s bussing was a "hot issue", inner city students being bussed to suburban schools and vice versa. The goal was the integration of our school system. No one deluded themselves by thinking that bussing would change any individual's mind about how they personally viewed Black/White relations, initially. But what it did do was put children of all ethnicities together and over time the students studied, worked and played together, to the point that the children saw that we are all human beings and wondered why previous generations held such hatred towards certain people, just because of the color of their skin. I go back to the example used in this thread, if all aspects of both applicants, one Black and the other Asian, were equal, how can it be unfair to the Asian applicant if the Black applicant was chosen because of AA? It shows you the mind set, most likely unconsciously, of the individual giving the example. There is an implication that if all factors were equal, and that AA did not exist, the Asian student would be chosen. And that implies an inherent racism that still exists today, in our society. Today "bussing" is a non issue. But unlike "integration" I don't believe eliminating racism will be as easy as integrating U.S. society, but over time with an increase in "Opportunity" for all ethnicities to access all levels of our Society, Corporate and Governmental, it will quickly become apparent that it doesn't matter what one's ethnicity is, it will be can you get the job done. In a perfect society the only question that will be asked is "
Can you do the job?"
KHH1, racists will always try and diminish and belittle the accomplishments of those they hate. It's in the nature of the beast.