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Feb 15, 2015 12:35:26   #
Mollypitcher1
 
buffalo wrote:
What? And not ban 7.62X39 AK47 ammo? What about .308 AR10 ammo?
Why just .223 with all the other rounds> What if one had a .308 upper for his AR15? There are so many calibers and interchangable uppers, this post is bullshit!


The point is, they are intending to ban ammo for a .223, a very popular firearm. I've always called mine my varmint rifle. It may well be a .223 is the only rifle some people own. Like rats, they will nibble around the edges until they have eaten the Second Amendment, Lock, Stock and Barrel and I mean that literally.

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Feb 15, 2015 13:14:03   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
I seriuosly doubt the NRA will let this pass w/o a lawsuit.

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Feb 15, 2015 13:17:41   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Mollypitcher1 wrote:
The point is, they are intending to ban ammo for a .223, a very popular firearm. I've always called mine my varmint rifle. It may well be a .223 is the only rifle some people own. Like rats, they will nibble around the edges until they have eaten the Second Amendment, Lock, Stock and Barrel and I mean that literally.


Then get .308 upper and clip for it. Or get a 6.5mm Grendel upper.

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Feb 15, 2015 13:24:29   #
Mollypitcher1
 
buffalo wrote:
Then get .308 upper and clip for it. Or get a 6.5mm Grendel upper.


Thanks for the advice. BUT the big question is, WHY should I have to alter my weapon because of some ridiculous ruling that is clearly an attempt at controlling and eventually eliminating the possession of firearms and the 2nd Amendment?

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Feb 15, 2015 13:51:46   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
buffalo wrote:
What? And not ban 7.62X39 AK47 ammo? What about .308 AR10 ammo?
Why just .223 with all the other rounds> What if one had a .308 upper for his AR15? There are so many calibers and interchangable uppers, this post is bullshit!


Don't give them any ideas.

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Feb 15, 2015 14:00:08   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
Kevyn wrote:
I think you have it wrong, if the ammunition providers and the press that covers firearms and shooting sports stokes up a good case of the fear, paranoid gun nuts will go crazy in a hoarding frenzy the resulting scarcity combined with rising prices will re assure the paranoid that their feeling of impending doom is well founded and that regardless of price it is time to buy more! The folks selling and advertising will laugh their way to the bank. As they say follow the money, in double wides across the land there will be little ammunition money squandered on rent and groceries once this gets out.
I think you have it wrong, if the ammunition provi... (show quote)


Yeah, gun nuts, what do you call Operation Choke Point? Your nut job in the oval office is running that one. Force the banks to not allow checking accounts, or Paypal, or a Visa accounts for Ammo makers. The only nuts around here are your kind.

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Feb 15, 2015 15:52:25   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
cold iron wrote:
Yeah, gun nuts, what do you call Operation Choke Point? Your nut job in the oval office is running that one. Force the banks to not allow checking accounts, or Paypal, or a Visa accounts for Ammo makers. The only nuts around here are your kind.


:thumbup:

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Feb 15, 2015 16:34:17   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
cold iron wrote:
Yeah, gun nuts, what do you call Operation Choke Point? Your nut job in the oval office is running that one. Force the banks to not allow checking accounts, or Paypal, or a Visa accounts for Ammo makers. The only nuts around here are your kind.


My son just won a raffle for father daughter bolt action single shot .223 rifles. The children's one is a very cute pea shooter. Who the fart are they kidding banning .223 ammo. For over 20 years I've been a range trained Boy Scout leader. 100,000 Boy Scouts learned everything they know about guns with these little pea shooters.

God I hate liberturds.

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Feb 15, 2015 16:43:22   #
bahmer
 
DamnYANKEE wrote:
BAN the ATF . PERIOD


Amen

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Feb 16, 2015 05:47:28   #
Buckshot
 
ATF....another total failure....

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Feb 16, 2015 08:30:08   #
hnealc
 
buffalo wrote:
What? And not ban 7.62X39 AK47 ammo? What about .308 AR10 ammo?
Why just .223 with all the other rounds> What if one had a .308 nnupper for his AR15? There are so many calibers and interchangable uppers, this post is bullshit!


The post or the ban is B/S?

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Feb 16, 2015 14:52:41   #
docwill
 
Buckshot wrote:
ATF....another total failure....


Doesn't seem like it; they successfully entrap min. wage clerks and servers with their under-age 'stings' and 'choke' legitimate firearms manufacturers and retailers even as they engage in 'fast and furious' type outrages.

No failure there...

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Feb 16, 2015 21:15:12   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
I've been buying ammunition since November 2008. I've got over 15,000 rounds of .556 mm in 855's plus over 5,000 rounds of 55 grain .223. Not to mention the 7.62X39 ammo approximately 8,000 rounds. And the weapons to load them into.

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Feb 16, 2015 22:50:14   #
9th Marines
 
Kevyn wrote:
I think you have it wrong, if the ammunition providers and the press that covers firearms and shooting sports stokes up a good case of the fear, paranoid gun nuts will go crazy in a hoarding frenzy the resulting scarcity combined with rising prices will re assure the paranoid that their feeling of impending doom is well founded and that regardless of price it is time to buy more! The folks selling and advertising will laugh their way to the bank. As they say follow the money, in double wides across the land there will be little ammunition money squandered on rent and groceries once this gets out.
I think you have it wrong, if the ammunition provi... (show quote)


Interesting thought.

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Feb 17, 2015 12:27:14   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
cold iron wrote:
ATF To Ban AR-15 Ammo

In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” The decision continues Obama’s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress. Obama knows he can not take over if we can fight back.

It isn’t even the third week of February, and the BATFE has already taken three major executive actions on gun control. First, it was a major change to what activities constitute regulated “manufacturing” of firearms. Next, BATFE reversed a less than year old position on firing a shouldered “pistol.” Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.
By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”
Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the “sporting purposes” exception to only two categories of projectiles:

Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles
A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles
Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.

BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America. Check back early next week for a more in-depth analysis of this “framework” and details on how you can submit comments.

How to comment – from the BATFE
ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments. Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

ATF email: APAComments@atf.gov

Fax: (202) 648-9741.

Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.

If you will not fight back, who will?
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little by little
bite by bite
gun haters are nibbling away at our constitusional rights
whats next????

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