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Sep 25, 2013 13:50:14   #
Molly
 
The problem is snopes is often times accurate. They may lean left.. but I have also seen many debunks on them on riight issues as well. So while always with a grain of salt.. I have found their research to be often times accurate and clearly cited.

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Sep 25, 2013 13:55:09   #
Molly
 
And mw.... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT!! It makes a whole party look bad when you have fringes posting inaccurate information that is so easily discredited. I feel that twisting words into slants does the same and automatically discredits someone iin my eyes. If you use libtard or Obummer I automatically see you as biased and uneducated and usually these people fit that fist impression. For debate to be useful, it needs to be respectfully presented and accurately represented. While many of you may not agree with me.. know that if you want to get your point across there are many people out there like me who are willing to listen to either side so long as they follow the above rules...

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Sep 25, 2013 14:14:03   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Molly wrote:
And mw.... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT!! It makes a whole party look bad when you have fringes posting inaccurate information that is so easily discredited. I feel that twisting words into slants does the same and automatically discredits someone iin my eyes. If you use libtard or Obummer I automatically see you as biased and uneducated and usually these people fit that fist impression. For debate to be useful, it needs to be respectfully presented and accurately represented. While many of you may not agree with me.. know that if you want to get your point across there are many people out there like me who are willing to listen to either side so long as they follow the above rules...
And mw.... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT!! It makes a ... (show quote)

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:thumbup: Kudos to you for putting it like you did. On other sites, not 1PP, I was the minority conservative, and was called "cunt", "whore", "republitard", and any number of other nasty things. I have never in my life called anyone a nasty name. I have for years tried to get my point across being polite, and have had in 30+ years had a couple of decent conversations with the political left, but it is uncommon, certainly not normal for the political left and a good portion of the political right to be polite when talking politics. Primarily, I think because we are each other enemy.

Let me explain why the political right and the political left are enemies. Actually it has nothing much to do with anything except a difference in values and how to maintain those values. For me, freedom is the most valued thing I possess. Government is forbidden to infringe on my freedom, yet every year my freedom gets smaller and smaller and smaller because of government infringement on it. All laws are infringements on freedoms. Some laws are necessary, but can one conceivably believe that 3 tons of laws are necessary? That's approximately how much federal "laws" exist today. I am opposed to ANYONE who mentions writing another law, and while some are necessary, those that restrict, restrict, restrict make me shudder and make me mad because the goal is CONTROL of everyone, and that borders on OPPRESSION. No living soul should be happy with oppression.

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Sep 25, 2013 14:20:50   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Tasine wrote:
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:thumbup: Kudos to you for putting it like you did. On other sites, not 1PP, I was the minority conservative, and was called "cunt", "whore", "republitard", and any number of other nasty things. I have never in my life called anyone a nasty name. I have for years tried to get my point across being polite, and have had in 30+ years had a couple of decent conversations with the political left, but it is uncommon, certainly not normal for the political left and a good portion of the political right to be polite when talking politics. Primarily, I think because we are each other enemy.

Let me explain why the political right and the political left are enemies. Actually it has nothing much to do with anything except a difference in values and how to maintain those values. For me, freedom is the most valued thing I possess. Government is forbidden to infringe on my freedom, yet every year my freedom gets smaller and smaller and smaller because of government infringement on it. All laws are infringements on freedoms. Some laws are necessary, but can one conceivably believe that 3 tons of laws are necessary? That's approximately how much federal "laws" exist today. I am opposed to ANYONE who mentions writing another law, and while some are necessary, those that restrict, restrict, restrict make me shudder and make me mad because the goal is CONTROL of everyone, and that borders on OPPRESSION. No living soul should be happy with oppression.
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There's an easy way to determine which way a person leans. Ask them, "Do you want to be left alone or do you want to tell people what to do?" Their answer will be insightful.

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Sep 25, 2013 14:27:31   #
Molly
 
I don't believe that will give an easy answer. FOr instance you value your freedom.. but I value freedom for ALL Americans no matter what their gender or sexual orientation is... So is it telling someone what to do when you tell them they must treat someone fairly? I want to be left alone but I also think other people deserve to be left alone as well.. I may not be a great example as my views fall somewhere in this huge purple middle area... but I see both sides acting this out.

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Sep 25, 2013 15:40:07   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
mwdegutis wrote:
There's an easy way to determine which way a person leans. Ask them, "Do you want to be left alone or do you want to tell people what to do?" Their answer will be insightful.

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Absolutely correct. There are those who love freedom and those who want to control everyone else's life while not controlling their own. I point to Obamacare, a leftist LAW, whom the politicians are exempting themselves. Leftist unions want exemption. Obama and his family is exempt from it.

Almost all conservatives WANT freedom, and almost all progressives WANT to control everyone else. I point to their laws.

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Sep 26, 2013 11:37:20   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Molly wrote:
Debunked

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp

Do your homework. Don't believe everything you read please.

you do know that when you smoke molly, your head short-circuts

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Sep 26, 2013 12:57:52   #
jetson
 
hprinze wrote:
EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED by U.S. Presidents in the recent 100 years+/-:



Teddy Roosevelt - 3
All Others until FDR - 0
FDR - 11 in 16 years
Truman - 5 in 7 years
Ike - 2 in 8 years
Kennedy - 4 in 3 years
LBJ - 4 in 5 years
Nixon - 1 in 6 years
Ford - 3 in 2 years
Carter - 3 in 4 years
Reagan - 5 in 8 years
Bush - 3 in 4 years
Clinton - 15 in 8 years
George W. Bush - 62 in 8 years
Obama - 923 in 3 1/2 years!

If you don't get the implications you're not paying attention. Very Scary.

923 Executive Orders in 40 Months

During my lifetime, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders. For various
reasons, some have issued more than others.

YES, THERE IS A REASON THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY
FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small
number of Democrat Senators have questioned him. Rightfully so -
WHAT IS OBAMA REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH????

Remember what he told Russia 's Putin: "I'll be more flexible after I'm
re-elected".

What did Congress do in those 40 months?
(The House - considerable. The Senate ? almost nothing, not even a budget
nor allow any House Bill to be considered.)

Now look at these:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990allows the government to take over all modes of
transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the
communication media.



EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical
power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources
and farms.


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work
brigades under government supervision.


EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health,
education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster
General to operate a national registration.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and
aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate
communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be
abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland
waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal
departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued
over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of
Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or
financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to
enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial
support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and
assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to
develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of
money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It
also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President,
Congress cannot review the action for six months.

Feel free to verify the "executive orders" at will.....and these are just
the major ones. Watch Obama's actions, not his words! By his actions he will
show you where America is headed.

Obama has issued a new executive order that seeks to "harmonize" U.S.
economic regulations with the rest of the world. This new executive order is
yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American
Union and a one world economic system.

Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.

The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly
looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of
the world.

The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this
latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic
policy. Now federal regulators will be required to "harmonize" their work
with the international community.

If THIS IS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE, THEN RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF.
EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED by U.S. Presidents in the ... (show quote)


People don't realize it, but some major incident, the president could declare marshall law and we have ourselves a dictator.

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Sep 26, 2013 13:02:22   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
jetson wrote:
People don't realize it, but some major incident, the president could declare marshall law and we have ourselves a dictator.


i will get arrested hard if that happens.

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Sep 26, 2013 13:20:41   #
Molly
 
Tasine.. I don't agree with your conclusion AT ALL but I do agree that people need to be more respectful. And he hasn't used marshal law yet.. will you apologize for those thoughts after or will that not fit your agenda?

And Cesspool? If I could smoke I would.. it would help me a lot with the medical problems I am having right now. Unfortunately its illegal here and I would lose my job.

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Sep 26, 2013 13:22:27   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Molly wrote:
Tasine.. I don't agree with your conclusion AT ALL but I do agree that people need to be more respectful. And he hasn't used marshal law yet.. will you apologize for those thoughts after or will that not fit your agenda?

And Cesspool? If I could smoke I would.. it would help me a lot with the medical problems I am having right now. Unfortunately its illegal here and I would lose my job.

molly, i am very sorry for that last statement...please forgive me

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Sep 26, 2013 13:34:06   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Molly wrote:
Tasine.. I don't agree with your conclusion AT ALL but I do agree that people need to be more respectful. And he hasn't used marshal law yet.. will you apologize for those thoughts after or will that not fit your agenda?

And Cesspool? If I could smoke I would.. it would help me a lot with the medical problems I am having right now. Unfortunately its illegal here and I would lose my job.

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I don't know if an apology is due because I don't know what words you are speaking of. I've used a LOT of words on this site. Tell me what you think I owe an apology for and to whom and I'll go from there.

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Sep 26, 2013 13:39:41   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Tasine wrote:
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I don't know if an apology is due because I don't know what words you are speaking of. I've used a LOT of words on this site. Tell me what you think I owe an apology for and to whom and I'll go from there.

i was just spouting off without regard. 'molly' is that fake weed that all these teenagers are smokin` and winding up in the emergency room. sorry

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Sep 26, 2013 13:44:31   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
cesspool jones wrote:
i was just spouting off without regard. 'molly' is that fake weed that all these teenagers are smokin` and winding up in the emergency room. sorry

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No, she specifically asked for my apology re something I had said.

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Sep 26, 2013 14:19:33   #
Molly
 
jetson wrote:
People don't realize it, but some major incident, the president could declare marshall law and we have ourselves a dictator.


When this doesn't happen will you repeal your opinions that it could or was going to?

Molly is actually the pure form of ecstasy from years past. Pope or potpourri is the fake kind that these kids are smoking... dangerous stuff both of them.

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