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Jan 15, 2015 23:27:00   #
saloopo Loc: Colorado
 
Jerry A. wrote:
Stupidity is a transmitted disease in U.S.A. and the Political Forum is an example of stupid information.


An expert in transmitted diseases I see.

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Jan 15, 2015 23:29:22   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
saloopo wrote:
An expert in transmitted diseases I see.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:

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Jan 22, 2015 19:25:13   #
Chameleon12
 
I know of a disabled person who wasn't able to get into the disabled portion of social security. It isn't easy to get in there. Making assumptions without facts and applying them to lives of several million people is a very bad idea. I don't think the republicans truly plan on voting this through. Too many of their own constituents are involved.

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Jan 22, 2015 19:28:19   #
Chameleon12
 
The democrats will not hesitate to pounce and exaggerate, though.

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Jan 24, 2015 10:15:39   #
MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon
 
In answer to the question is SS socialism, it was never set up to be that way. Every penny in that fund belongs to an individual who paid their own money into it for years. It was initially set up so we wouldn't have indigent elderly people with no money after retirement. The money left from those who died without receiving all the monies due him was supposed to go into a trust of sorts for each individual.
Obviously with the govt's fingers in the pie it got royally screwed up and mishandled. Hence we have the disaster we are seeing today. Is it socialism today - NO. That money still belongs to the individuals who paid into it. Has the govt. botched the job they were supposed to do with it? That is quite apparent.
I like the question posed below - show us the Republicans who are trying to end it!
Glaucon wrote:
Republicans have been trying to kill the program they label socialism and now they have the power to put it to death.

ARTICLE

On Day One, the new Congress launches an attack on Social Security
As one of its first orders of business upon convening Tuesday, the Republican House of Representatives approved a rule that will seriously undermine efforts to keep all of Social Security solvent.
It is hard to believe that there is any purpose to this unprecedented change to House rules other than to cut benefits for Americans who have worked hard all their lives.- Max Richtman, Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare
But it's especially urgent now, because the disability program's trust fund is expected to run dry as early as next year. At that point, disability benefits for 11 million beneficiaries would have to be cut 20%. Reallocating the income, however, would keep both the old-age and disability programs solvent until at least 2033, giving Congress plenty of time to assess the programs' needs and work out a long-term fix.
Read the entire article at, http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-on-day-onel-new-congress-launches-attack-on-social-security-20150106-column.html
Republicans have been trying to kill the program t... (show quote)

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Jan 24, 2015 11:50:03   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
MsAtta2d wrote:
In answer to the question is SS socialism, it was never set up to be that way. Every penny in that fund belongs to an individual who paid their own money into it for years. It was initially set up so we wouldn't have indigent elderly people with no money after retirement. The money left from those who died without receiving all the monies due him was supposed to go into a trust of sorts for each individual.
Obviously with the govt's fingers in the pie it got royally screwed up and mishandled. Hence we have the disaster we are seeing today. Is it socialism today - NO. That money still belongs to the individuals who paid into it. Has the govt. botched the job they were supposed to do with it? That is quite apparent.
I like the question posed below - show us the Republicans who are trying to end it!
In answer to the question is SS socialism, it was ... (show quote)


It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.

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Jan 24, 2015 13:17:00   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
Strycker wrote:
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was polit... (show quote)


Every U.S. program that help the working people, the poor, the retirees, and sick american, etc. it sounds like socialism to you, but we buy now almost everything made in CHINA a Communist country who help the U.S.A. economy catastrophe investing their money here, and you don't said anything about.

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Jan 24, 2015 13:17:45   #
VladimirPee
 
Jerry stop being a parasite


Jerry A. wrote:
Every U.S. program that help the working people, the poor, the retirees, the sick american, etc. it sounds like socialism to you, but we buy now almost everything made in CHINA a Communist country who help the U.S.A. economy catastrophe investing their money here, and you don't said anything about.

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Jan 24, 2015 13:25:39   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
Strycker wrote:
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was polit... (show quote)


Everything the U.S. Government did to help the american workers, the poor, the sick without medical insurance it sounds like Socialism to you, but the U.S. Government help to wealthiest american, speculators, businesses, and corporations who rip-off the american people is O.K. to you, uncontrolled capitalism.

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Jan 24, 2015 13:25:39   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
Strycker wrote:
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was polit... (show quote)


Everything the U.S. Government did to help the american workers, the poor, the sick without medical insurance it sounds like Socialism to you, but the U.S. Government help to wealthiest american, speculators, businesses, and corporations who rip-off the american people is O.K. to you, uncontrolled capitalism.

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Jan 24, 2015 13:35:47   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
Jerry A. wrote:
Every U.S. program that help the working people, the poor, the retirees, and sick american, etc. it sounds like socialism to you, but we buy now almost everything made in CHINA a Communist country who help the U.S.A. economy catastrophe investing their money here, and you don't said anything about.


No I didn't say anything about that. Not sure how it is pertinent to this threads original question or why I would have even brought it up. I'm not passing judgement about which programs are, in my opinion, good or bad. It is up to the American voter to decide what degree of socialist programs they want established. What degree of constitutional limits they choose to ignore. What amount of government involvement in personal live is acceptable. Whether I agree with the decision or not. Only saying that one shouldn't deny that it is a socialist program. At least be open and honest about it. Be proud in what you believe in.

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Jan 24, 2015 13:38:18   #
MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon
 
That is because changes were made several yrs later that were never in nor were intended to be in the program! What it is today is very different than what it was originally.

Strycker wrote:
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was polit... (show quote)

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Jan 24, 2015 13:42:12   #
MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon
 
One more thing! Learn to read. I told you what it was initially set up to be - NOT what it has morphed into since then.
Strycker wrote:
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was polit... (show quote)

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Jan 24, 2015 13:42:42   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
MsAtta2d wrote:
That is because changes were made several yrs later that were never in nor were intended to be in the program! What it is today is very different than what it was originally.


The ability to make any and all changes were built into the original law. Only reason to include that clause is because they anticipated or intended to make changes.

Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress."

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Jan 24, 2015 13:45:13   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
Strycker wrote:
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was politically sold as a retirement account but was never designed that way. Whether it is a good or bad program is a different question, but, it is socialism.
1) Nothing in the fund belongs to the individual except a promise in a ledger book of someday maybe being paid some back. A promise that, even in the ss law itself, says can be broken at the whim of congress.
2) With the advent of "tax credits" many are given credit for paying into ss, who, in real terms, do not pay anything in.
3) The payout is progressive in nature with those who contributes the least getting a larger percent of their contributions back.
4) The means of collection and the payout distribution, if their is any, is all controlled by the government using government police powers to enforce it all.

It may not be a bad program, but, being honest, it sounds like socialism to me.
It absolutely is a socialist program. It was polit... (show quote)


You don't know anything about Socialism, we have a U.S. a Government for the benefit of wealthiest american only, supported by the wealthiest majority members of U.S. Congress who received torrent of $$$$ money from the special interest, corporations, etc. etc. to evade democratically-enacted reforms that are necessary.

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