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Jan 15, 2015 16:16:13   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This chart simply shows short term fluctuations. It is not to scale. If it were then it could used indirectly to show the average earth temp in that period is increasing. Older data from other lines of evidence clearly show an increase in CO2 coinciding with the change. Its not the change that is the give away; of course the earth has had even hotter periods. The give away is the rapidity of the increase in both temp and CO2 levels. The increase we have seen in the past few thousand years has, in the past, taken on the order of 50,000 to 100,000 years. CO2 levels have fluctuated but never increased as rapidly as they have since industrialization. Man is causing it. Who knows the consequences.
This chart simply shows short term fluctuations. ... (show quote)


Even more telling are sea level measurements. And low and behold, a new article about it pops up today.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7552539/sea-level-20th-century

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Jan 15, 2015 16:23:10   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
warren piece368 wrote:
As my (New Jersey) thermometer creeps up to 18 degrees, my thoughts go to the issue of Global Warming. Does it, or doesn't, it exist? Yes, I'm a Conservative; and my hero Rush Limbaugh says Global Warming is a sham, but there are lots of statistics bandied about on all sides of the question. The truth lies there somewhere. Let's go!


Liberals will do all they can to have you worry about global warming in order to divert attention from a far more real and imminent threat - government deficit spending and national debt caused by ever expanding government.

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Jan 15, 2015 16:40:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Dave wrote:
Liberals will do all they can to have you worry about global warming in order to divert attention from a far more real and imminent threat - government deficit spending and national debt caused by ever expanding government.


Its the great global warming diversion, perpetrated by the liberal commies vying to take over the country in their quest for a one world gumnt!!

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Jan 15, 2015 16:44:53   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Its the great global warming diversion, perpetrated by the liberal commies vying to take over the country in their quest for a one world gumnt!!


It is, like all other so called progressives, an effort to expand the government - but then folks like you think that is good stuff in and of itself -

Don't worry about government debt - someone will pay it - in some way - and whatever way it happens, it will involved more progressives government expansion -

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Jan 15, 2015 16:55:08   #
Neal
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
So does that mean that when warmists blame global warming for storms, like hurricanes, they're lying? Why yes, yes it does.



Golleee - ain't you noticed the increase in hurricanes and tornados?

Voice of Reason?? Pffft :!:

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Jan 15, 2015 16:56:45   #
EconomistDon
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This chart simply shows short term fluctuations. It is not to scale. If it were then it could used indirectly to show the average earth temp in that period is increasing. Older data from other lines of evidence clearly show an increase in CO2 coinciding with the change. Its not the change that is the give away; of course the earth has had even hotter periods. The give away is the rapidity of the increase in both temp and CO2 levels. The increase we have seen in the past few thousand years has, in the past, taken on the order of 50,000 to 100,000 years. CO2 levels have fluctuated but never increased as rapidly as they have since industrialization. Man is causing it. Who knows the consequences.
This chart simply shows short term fluctuations. ... (show quote)





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Jan 15, 2015 17:14:24   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Great graphs, especially the ice core graphs of ocean temp and atmospheric CO2. You DO understand how CO2 levels are both cause and effect in the warming don't you?

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Jan 15, 2015 17:15:27   #
Mollypitcher1
 
Global Warming is a planned HOAX to cripple if not destroy the American Economy. History says it is the easiest way to control a people, bring down a nation, simply destroy the economy. We did it with the Soviet Union. Star Wars worked. Pouring billions down the drain in defunct "Green Energy" experiments was simply to make America---all by herself it seems---the number one target by whatever means possible, whether it be by destroying the coal industry, taxing us to death, regulating us to death, driving our industry to countries that use coal and are building more coal fired plants, to any and all means necessary to cripple America including massive illegal immigration to bankrupt us by forcing us to provide unending social services to the unlawful on the backs of AMERICANS. Only by removing America from the leadership of the world can the One World Order take over. PUT the EPA under the hatchet on the butcher block for starters and begin educating people on what we can and CANNOT do to help the environment. MANY People are STUPID and have to be taught CORRECTLY, not brainwashed with a mountain of lies.

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Jan 15, 2015 17:18:37   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Mollypitcher1 wrote:
Global Warming is a planned HOAX to cripple if not destroy the American Economy. History says it is the easiest way to control a people, bring down a nation, simply destroy the economy. We did it with the Soviet Union. Star Wars worked. Pouring billions down the drain in defunct "Green Energy experiments was simply to make America---all by herself it seems---the number one target by whatever means possible, whether it be by destroying the coal industry, taxing us to death, regulating us to death, driving our industry to countries that use coal and are building more coal fired plants, to any and all means necessary to cripple America including massive illegal immigration to bankrupt us through unending social services to the unlawful on the backs of AMERICANS.. Only by removing America from the leadership of th world can the One World Order take over. PUT the EPA under the hatchet on the butcher block and start educating people on what we can and CANNOT do to help the environment. MANY People are STUPID and have to be taught CORRECTLY, not brainwashed with a mountain of lies.
Global Warming is a planned HOAX to cripple if not... (show quote)


Its not the rising CO2 concentrations doing all this to the country, its the rising concentration of weed and other drugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU

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Jan 15, 2015 17:36:00   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The increase we have seen in the past few thousand years has, in the past, taken on the order of 50,000 to 100,000 years. CO2 levels have fluctuated but never increased as rapidly as they have since industrialization. Man is causing it. Who knows the consequences.


Hint: Industrialization didn't begin a few thousand years ago. Nobody but you (not even Al Gore) is claiming man had any effect on CO2 levels prior to the start of the industrial revolution, or about 150 years ago.

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Jan 15, 2015 17:50:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Hint: Industrialization didn't begin a few thousand years ago. Nobody but you (not even Al Gore) is claiming man had any effect on CO2 levels prior to the start of the industrial revolution, or about 150 years ago.


I said thousand? Der.

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Jan 15, 2015 17:57:39   #
EconomistDon
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Great graphs, especially the ice core graphs of ocean temp and atmospheric CO2. You DO understand how CO2 levels are both cause and effect in the warming don't you?


Ice cores are not taken from the ocean, they are taken from deep arctic ice that has been there since the current ice age began over 20 million years ago. So they don't tell us ocean temps. CO2 does not cause warming! That was the point of 31,000 signatures. Temperatures and CO2 move in tandem with temperature leading CO2, especially on the way down. Please study the chart more carefully. Also notice that CO2 levels are not currently higher than several measured points in the past. Global warming alarmists would have you believe that current levels are at unprecedented levels.

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Jan 15, 2015 18:58:31   #
lighteningrodd
 
Anybody remember "Climate-gate"? November, 2009. That was the proof right there that the Global Warming theory was junk science.

Change the name to "Climate Change". Still junk science. These educated idiots won't give up on their cracked-pot theories. Any computer can make a graph. They don't think, they do what they are told to do. If a computer is developed that would think on its own, I'd bet it would not only think man made climate change is bogus, it would be able to tell us why.

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Jan 15, 2015 20:22:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Ice cores are not taken from the ocean, they are taken from deep arctic ice that has been there since the current ice age began over 20 million years ago. So they don't tell us ocean temps. CO2 does not cause warming! That was the point of 31,000 signatures. Temperatures and CO2 move in tandem with temperature leading CO2, especially on the way down. Please study the chart more carefully. Also notice that CO2 levels are not currently higher than several measured points in the past. Global warming alarmists would have you believe that current levels are at unprecedented levels.
Ice cores are not taken from the ocean, they are t... (show quote)


The experts claim the temps go up with the initial rise in co2. The inc temp drives co2 out of the ocean and thus further inc temps. Its a positive feeback system which spikes temps. That is why there is an apparent lag in co2 behind inc temps. Thats the experts in atmospheric science. Are you one? I am not.

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Jan 15, 2015 20:56:36   #
EarthlingXYZ Loc: Enfield, CT
 
Global Warming or Climate Change are topics of study that are real, meaning that the effects of temperature and environmental developments on our planet are real. But these influences take many, many years to have an impact, and scientists from various countries are on the ball on these; governments, especially the U.S., provide funds and dedicated experts. But there are more urgent problems facing the world and its population which should be given priority: poverty, disease, armed conflicts, economic growth, etc. First things first, please. Resources are scarce, capable of alternative uses (Eco. 101).

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