Affirmative action is racist: Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job.

Grugore

Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job. Tell me I'm wrong. It's a totally racist policy. Can I get one liberal to own up to this? Just one.

old white guy Loc: south Wisconsin

Grugore wrote:

Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job. Tell me I'm wrong. It's a totally racist policy. Can I get one liberal to own up to this? Just one.

You are absolutely correct, no one can refute your statement of fact. They can rant, but then thats what they are good at.

Grugore

old white guy wrote:

You are absolutely correct, no one can refute your statement of fact. They can rant, but then thats what they are good at.

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L8erToots

There was a time and a place for it, and those times are over, which, yes, makes it racist. If it isn't going to go away, let's revise it and put in a 3-6 month probationary time limit-if the "minority" hasn't caught on by then or abuses the age old fact that "once you hire them you can't get rid of them", then out they go and hire someone who IS qualified, no matter what race they are. OR, just make white folks aged 50+ and 18-21 year olds the new minority, because nobody seems to want to hire THEM anymore, lol

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

L8erToots wrote:

There was a time and a place for it, and those tim... (show quote)

Very interesting post L8ter! Liberal as I am, I've always struggled with affirmative action. While it can (and should be) a powerful tool to fight racism, it seems to have evolved into a mechanism that defeats its original purpose: to level the playing field. And as to your suggestion about 50+, I would say that's needed for ALL races. And as I have passed 50 some time ago, I'm all for that kind of affirmative action!

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Grugore wrote:

Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job. Tell me I'm wrong. It's a totally racist policy. Can I get one liberal to own up to this? Just one.

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dslagowski

Grugore wrote:

Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job. Tell me I'm wrong. It's a totally racist policy. Can I get one liberal to own up to this? Just one.

Hmm, who can refute that?

Odd, my sister worked for Rockwell and they had to hire a secretary, didn't need one, but did government contracts, so a position was opened with this program. The gal couldn't spell and barely typed, thank goodness she could answer phones. Oh her pay, was that of efficient secretaries in the pool, and she could not be fired, this was when the program first stated. I'm not sure how it operates today.

grace scott

PaulPisces wrote:

Very interesting post L8ter! Liberal as I am, I've always struggled with affirmative action. While it can (and should be) a powerful tool to fight racism, it seems to have evolved into a mechanism that defeats its original purpose: to level the playing field. And as to your suggestion about 50+, I would say that's needed for ALL races. And as I have passed 50 some time ago, I'm all for that kind of affirmative action!

You are correct in your assessment of affirmative action. It ended up just giving opportunities to the less qualified.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

grace scott wrote:

You are correct in your assessment of affirmative action. It ended up just giving opportunities to the less qualified.

This could the beginning of a major breakthrough. Conservatives and liberals finally agreeing on something. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol:

Olden McGroen Loc: Texas

Grugore wrote:

Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job. Tell me I'm wrong. It's a totally racist policy. Can I get one liberal to own up to this? Just one.

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Oddly enough, blacks are racist against themselves and apparently don't even realize it, or don't care. They've bought into the lie that they can't make it without help from government or some other intercessor on their behalf. There is no room for individual thought or reason. Everyone must march in lock-step to the same old thought process and hopeless ideology programmed into them for decades. The same ideology that hates America and preaches the mantra of "White Privilege". For them, the only card they know how to play to get what they want with the least amount of effort is the race card.

One other thing...if it's racist to NOT vote for Obama because he's black...

Then by the same logic, isn't it equally racist if you voted for Obama BECAUSE he's black?

My contention is that the greater percentage of voting blacks are, indeed, racist. Otherwise, how do you explain 2010 & 2014? They didn't turn out to vote in either mid-term elections. Why?

L8erToots

grace scott wrote:

You are correct in your assessment of affirmative action. It ended up just giving opportunities to the less qualified.

But it doesn't mean they have to REMAIN least qualified. I'm a good example:
In 1977, when I was 1 year out of high school (where I had taken 10 semesters of Technical Drafting), I applied for (and got) an opening at Bechtel for a pipe support designer on nuclear power plants. At orientation it became obvious that I was only hired to fulfill a quota for women. I complained to my father about not being hired based on my qualifications and he told me I could do one of two things:
1. Take advantage of the fact that they had to hire me, could not fire me (easily) and skate by on this fact, or
2. Be thankful for the opportunity to prove myself, work my ass off and prove to them that a woman could do the job as well as any man could, which would benefit all womankind.
Obviously I picked #2 and went on to build a career I loved.
Now imagine if everyone given the opportunity afforded them by affirmative action made the same choice I did.

grace scott

L8erToots wrote:

But it doesn't mean they have to REMAIN least qual... (show quote)

It would be a much better world for them, for those who love them, and for those who employed them. It would also encourage other employers to hire women, not because they had to, but because they wanted to.

Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

Grugore wrote:

Well, it is. Try to refute it. You have minorities who get preferable treatment for employment, even if there is someone better qualified for the job. Tell me I'm wrong. It's a totally racist policy. Can I get one liberal to own up to this? Just one.

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It's bad when they tell you are OVER QUALIFIED, because you don't Speak the right Language or because of your skin color.

grace scott

Mom8052 wrote:

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It's bad when they tell you are OVER QUALIFIED, because you don't Speak the right Language or because of your skin color.

Being over qualified can be a problem. My boss's boss asked me why I did not hire someone, my answer to her was, "That would be like hiring you to do my job." I would have hired this guy in a minute to be my boss, but not for the job in question. There was also no upward path for him in that position.

Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

grace scott wrote:

Being over qualified can be a problem. My boss's boss asked me why I did not hire someone, my answer to her was, "That would be like hiring you to do my job." I would have hired this guy in a minute to be my boss, but not for the job in question. There was also no upward path for him in that position.

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But still, if the only reason is related to language or color, would that not be considered wrong? Come one now, I guess I could dumb my resume down to the point I would qualify. Can't get a job because I don't speak Mexican,,,reverse racism in my own Country. Give me a break.