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Nov 19, 2014 17:01:18   #
VladimirPee
 
You are right. Ho Chi Min had absolutely nothing to do with the Soviets. Except for being a Soviet Agent

I don't know why I bother with you fools sometimes. Do you read anything? Ever pick up a book? Ever think before commenting?

1923 Ho traveled to Russia for the first time. After subsequent visits, he became acquainted with the most influential Soviet leaders including Nikolai BUKHARIN, Leon TROTSKY, and Joseph STALIN. While in Russia, Ho was trained as an agent of the Comintern*. He studied the thought of Marx and Lenin as well as organizational and revolutionary techniques.
*Founded in 1919 by Vladimir Ilyich LENIN in the aftermath of the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Comintern was dedicated to organizing an international socialist movement. Comintern agents were deployed throughout the world, promoting revolution, socialism, and organizing communist branch organizations abroad.


www.columbia.edu/cu/weai/exeas/asian-revolutions/pdf/ho-chi-minh...

MarvinSussman wrote:
And they put a chip in Ho's brain, making him subservient to Moscow forever. Yes, I know.

Conservative (and some others) suffer from hardening of the categories. You attach a word to people that puts them all in the same bag. And then you hold each one in the bag responsible for everything that happens or is said in the bag.

On OPP, I am charged with every act committed at any time by any liberal anywhere. On OPP, that's not much to worry about. But in the White House, the best and the brightest suffering from a hardening of the categories killed millions of people, including a lot of Americans.
And they put a chip in Ho's brain, making him subs... (show quote)

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Nov 19, 2014 17:02:28   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
jonhatfield wrote:
So, DenDen II, in answer to your exception objection, I lived in one of those pre-WWII "burbs" and recall in detail the building of our house by my step-father, a WWII vet, in 1947 in a neighborhood also filling in with newly built housing...recall also my step-uncle's building a house in the country a year or two later and their house built in front of it a year or two still later and still later our buying the original 1920s/30s house/semi-mansion in Tatewood where the rest of the neighborhood was all new better housing from the post-WWII housing boom.

Den-Den II, does that answer your little objection to Marv's theory of development after WWII? Try to think bigger than pal Dennis in the future.

There may be other economic theory explanations of post-WWII economic boom after the Great Depression that could be posted as opposite to Marv's explanation, but denial of post-WWII housing boom by pointing to previously existing housing is equivalent to my claiming the record cold winter & summer here in Green Bay last year denies climate change evidenced by record high year overall worldwide. There may be other explanations or aspects to climate records or overall change that involve relative modification of the alleged climate change disasters ahead, but our local contrary climate experience is an irrelevant factor.

Me, I'm inclined to see Marv's economic theory explanation as valid to some degree, but would like to know how they apply or relate to Japan's economic boom (and relative stagnation later), to South Korea's economy "miracle" (contrasting dramatically to the North Korean economy situation), to China's economic development (contrasted to Soviet Russia's economic collapse & current Putin New Russia's lack of economic development), to economic development in India, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Australia, Egypt, Iran, the UK, Germany, Sweden, the EU, the southern part of the EU, etc. etc. or to pre-Civil War United States, Industrial Rev. America, to Elizabethan England, etc. etc. ????

Obviously other places, other circumstances, other times are not readily available for application to theory and policies and I wouldn't actually expect ready answers to what I would like to know and factor in. I suspect other factors in macroeconomics might emerge as significant considerations in economic development, change, and policy...perhaps particularly different relative factors in developing as opposed to developed economies? And resulting in discussion & possibilities rather than troll exchanges going nowhere.
So, DenDen II, in answer to your exception objecti... (show quote)


You need to read a little closer, hatfield. Marvin wanted to know where the suburbs came from...implying there were none before WWII and that they came after WW II as a result of the pent-up WW II purchasing power. That's totally incorrect. There were suburbs around major US cities long before WW II. That's why I asked about Levittown and others like it re. the postwar period.

Try to keep up.

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Nov 19, 2014 17:05:16   #
VladimirPee
 
Shako
Don't bother. Jon is a silly cheerleader who tosses out immature snarky comments with no intellectual content.


Mr Shako wrote:
You need to read a little closer, hatfield. Marvin wanted to know where the suburbs came from...implying there were none before WWII and that they came after WW II as a result of the pent-up WW II purchasing power. That's totally incorrect. There were suburbs around major US cities long before WW II. That's why I asked about Levittown and others like it re. the postwar period.

Try to keep up.

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Nov 19, 2014 17:48:23   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Mr Shako wrote:
You need to read a little closer, hatfield. Marvin wanted to know where the suburbs came from...implying there were none before WWII and that they came after WW II as a result of the pent-up WW II purchasing power. That's totally incorrect. There were suburbs around major US cities long before WW II. That's why I asked about Levittown and others like it re. the postwar period.

Try to keep up.


Obviously there were "burbs" before WWII...that's a given. Marv's point was the suburb boom after WWII. You can introduce the obvious pre-existing situation to "prove" Marv is wrong about the "burbs" in a petty small-minded Denden-like way that proves nothing about the main point.

Try to think bigger.

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Nov 19, 2014 18:00:38   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
DennisDee wrote:
Shako
Don't bother. Jon is a silly cheerleader who tosses out immature snarky comments with no intellectual content.


And little DenDen the Menace with middle finger held up isn't silly? not to mention snarky. I'm sure you will be in denial about both. I can hardly wait for your intellectual-content reply. Little

"Intellectual content" in little-minded little DenDen the Menace's postings? Now that's funny. :-P :-P :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Nov 19, 2014 18:06:50   #
MarvinSussman
 
DennisDee wrote:
You are right. Ho Chi Min had absolutely nothing to do with the Soviets. Except for being a Soviet Agent

I don't know why I bother with you fools sometimes. Do you read anything? Ever pick up a book? Ever think before commenting?

1923 Ho traveled to Russia for the first time. After subsequent visits, he became acquainted with the most influential Soviet leaders including Nikolai BUKHARIN, Leon TROTSKY, and Joseph STALIN. While in Russia, Ho was trained as an agent of the Comintern*. He studied the thought of Marx and Lenin as well as organizational and revolutionary techniques.
*Founded in 1919 by Vladimir Ilyich LENIN in the aftermath of the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Comintern was dedicated to organizing an international socialist movement. Comintern agents were deployed throughout the world, promoting revolution, socialism, and organizing communist branch organizations abroad.


www.columbia.edu/cu/weai/exeas/asian-revolutions/pdf/ho-chi-minh...
You are right. Ho Chi Min had absolutely nothing... (show quote)


Of course, he was a communist. Therefore, with the chip inserted in his brain, he would betray his own country to serve Stalin. He would never put the interest of his own nation ahead of Stalin's commands. Those chips are powerful things.

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Nov 19, 2014 18:11:15   #
VladimirPee
 
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Interest rates on U.S. bonds may be ridiculously low, but that doesn't mean the country's future interest payments on the national debt will be.

Uncle Sam will shell out more than $5 trillion in interest payments over the next decade, according to the latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office.

Over the decade, more than 14% of all revenue the government is projected to collect will be sucked up by interest payments.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/05/news/economy/national-debt-interest/index.htm




MarvinSussman wrote:
The Treasury raises all the funds needed to service the debt by issuing more debt, not by taxation. The Congressional budget does not list auction receipts.

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Nov 19, 2014 18:12:42   #
VladimirPee
 
Stalin's desires were the same as Ho. Expansion of Communism.


MarvinSussman wrote:
Of course, he was a communist. Therefore, with the chip inserted in his brain, he would betray his own country to serve Stalin. He would never put the interest of his own nation ahead of Stalin's commands. Those chips are powerful things.

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Nov 19, 2014 19:20:49   #
MarvinSussman
 
Mr Shako wrote:
You need to read a little closer, hatfield. Marvin wanted to know where the suburbs came from...implying there were none before WWII and that they came after WW II as a result of the pent-up WW II purchasing power. That's totally incorrect. There were suburbs around major US cities long before WW II. That's why I asked about Levittown and others like it re. the postwar period.

Try to keep up.


I can't believe my eyes. You are actually denying that there was a suburban building boom after WW II! Levittown was a poster child for a nation-wide boom. It is true that White flight in the late '50s and '60s AND spending on NASA and the Interstate Highway extended that boom but there is a simple fact of plumbing: input equals output. $80B was saved during the war. It was all spent after the war in addition to current income. With the multiplier, that would be about $130B. With a 25% down payment, That's equivalent to a down payment on 40 million homes in a nation with about 60 million married couples of all ages. Even if you settle for 20 million, it's enormous.

Nonsense. I was there. There were Levittowns everywhere.

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Nov 19, 2014 19:24:38   #
VladimirPee
 
Marvin is correct. There was a suburban boom post war. I didn't see the original post. Did someone claim we didn't have suburbs prior to WW2?


MarvinSussman wrote:
I can't believe my eyes. You are actually denying that there was a suburban building boom after WW II! Levittown was a poster child for a nation-wide boom. It is true that White flight in the late '50s and '60s AND spending on NASA and the Interstate Highway extended that boom but there is a simple fact of plumbing: input equals output. $80B was saved during the war. It was all spent after the war in addition to current income. With the multiplier, that would be about $130B. With a 25% down payment, That's equivalent to a down payment on 40 million homes in a nation with about 60 million married couples of all ages. Even if you settle for 20 million, it's enormous.

Nonsense. I was there. There were Levittowns everywhere.
I can't believe my eyes. You are actually denying ... (show quote)

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Nov 19, 2014 19:51:24   #
MarvinSussman
 
DennisDee wrote:
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Interest rates on U.S. bonds may be ridiculously low, but that doesn't mean the country's future interest payments on the national debt will be.

Uncle Sam will shell out more than $5 trillion in interest payments over the next decade, according to the latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office.

Over the decade, more than 14% of all revenue the government is projected to collect will be sucked up by interest payments.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/05/news/economy/national-debt-interest/index.htm
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Interest rates on U.S. bond... (show quote)


IRS receipts do not include treasury auction receipts, which pay for redemption and debt interest.

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Nov 19, 2014 20:03:17   #
VladimirPee
 
It includes everything and the balance of the debt is added to the budget deficit or national debt. Not sure how many times I will have to post this with the links supporting the correct information before it sinks into your head.


The amounts of net interest shown in the budget include interest paid on all Treasury securities ($413 billion in 2010), minus the portion of that interest that is received by trust funds ($186 billion in 2010) and the net amount of other interest received by the government ($30 billion in 2010). The last category consists primarily of net receipts to the Treasury from the financing accounts for federal loan programs (those accounts are not included in the federal budget).


http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21960

MarvinSussman wrote:
IRS receipts do not include treasury auction receipts, which pay for redemption and debt interest.

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Nov 19, 2014 21:18:33   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
DennisDee wrote:
jon

You dismiss evidence on every issue when It does not line up with your ideology. That is called an extremist. You admit you don't know much about economics yet claim I am misrepresenting things by posting facts. Do you know how ignorant this sounds? You are a cheerleader. You choose a side and hold a hard line based on blind ideology. You then dismiss hard cold facts as being a Misrepresentation.

Did you also know German debt caused massive printing of Fiat money which led to a collapse of the currency? Life Savings were destroyed.
jon br br You dismiss evidence on every issue whe... (show quote)


My blind ideology? What about your blind TP ideology?

My only ideology is America as the example of, the defender of, the promoter of freedom and self-government (exemplified also by other Free World nations) for the future of human civilization.

Extremism? My only extremism is extreme middle (or muddle--ha) of the road...and, as such, extreme against both left and right extremism. Brian D also regards me as extremist warmonger for justifying the Korean, Vietnam, and Iraq wars...that's related to my ideology of America's role now as determining the future of Freedom and self government just as it was the Brits who did it the past several hundred years (and is our truest partner for the future)...not necessarily a matter of winning each battle, just that we are committed and act...but not rashly...for example, containment rather than war with international communism, a strategy that was workable but required the Korean & Nam awful battles to work...opposed carrying those battles to the Chinese border provoking a war with China...so extreme warmonger of me to regard MacArthur strategy for a Chinese War as distraction from main USSR danger and so extreme warmonger to vote against Goldwater just because it appeared he might go too far also. A "middle of the road" warmonger...now that's eccentric. :mrgreen:

Extremism? Yes, Dennis, extremism against RWEs and LWEs, fanaticism against fanatics like yourself, Den-Den, extremism against the Putinist fascist operation on OPP from Feb. to Aug. 17...but also against Dem unreasonable fanaticisms and unreasonable Dem extremisms (that is, if Howard Dean & Co. are that extreme? well, I regard that D&Co. as somewhat the Dem equivalent of the TPs)...and, of course, sometimes doubtful about the irony and contradictions involved in my extreme against extremes. :roll: :roll:

What the heck does the collapse of the currency in Weimar era you refer to have to do with USE of economic advance during Nazi era AS AN EXAMPLE of Keynsian economics, which was the issue you and I were debating. If you want to cite the Weimar instance as example of contradiction of Keynsian economic theory, put that to Marv. My issues with you, Dennis, are the misrepresentations and misinterpretations and misunderstandings and disconnects to issues that characterize your postings repeatedly...almost constantly, in fact. I'm not cheerleading for (as your pals here do for you) or disagreeing with Marv, just pointing out the somewhat extreme persistent malpractices in your disputing...the basic dishonesties involved, whether deliberate or from incomprehension.

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Nov 19, 2014 22:17:37   #
stymie
 
MarvinSussman wrote:


Why do I have to explain simple ideas to grown people?



Obviously due to your simple minded statements. No one but you can understand your illogical reasoning. Have you not recognized that yet?

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Nov 19, 2014 22:27:53   #
MarvinSussman
 
DennisDee wrote:
It includes everything and the balance of the debt is added to the budget deficit or national debt. Not sure how many times I will have to post this with the links supporting the correct information before it sinks into your head.


The amounts of net interest shown in the budget include interest paid on all Treasury securities ($413 billion in 2010), minus the portion of that interest that is received by trust funds ($186 billion in 2010) and the net amount of other interest received by the government ($30 billion in 2010). The last category consists primarily of net receipts to the Treasury from the financing accounts for federal loan programs (those accounts are not included in the federal budget).


http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21960
It includes everything and the balance of the debt... (show quote)


Auction revenue is by law at least equal to the deficit and is in fact greater by the approximate amount of the debt interest expense.

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